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HH Sultan Vinegar
26 Nov 14 17:12
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Francis Davidson Fraser, better known as "Mad" Frankie Fraser, was a former English criminal and gang member who spent 42 years in prison for numerous violent offences.
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Report Pokermonster November 26, 2014 5:21 PM GMT
Lovely man.
Report boxingthefox November 26, 2014 5:22 PM GMT
Very handy with a pair of pliers and a blowtorch.Scared
Report Burton-Brewers November 26, 2014 5:24 PM GMT
I'm sure he will be missed by his family
Report brendanuk1 November 26, 2014 5:26 PM GMT
those were the days home grown mad violent criminals
Report Barry Conway November 26, 2014 5:36 PM GMT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8oEaYnm9Fk

Frankie Fraser Madometer (7:10):

"How would you feel if you accidently grassed yourself?"
Report pawras November 26, 2014 5:42 PM GMT
never understood the glamourising of scumbag criminals
Report Ramruma November 26, 2014 5:47 PM GMT
He did a book-signing locally a decade or so back. The striking thing is he is actually very short.
Report HH Sultan Vinegar November 26, 2014 6:44 PM GMT
Just heard he'd going to be buried in a concrete column propping up a flyover on the A4
Report SlippyBlue November 26, 2014 6:50 PM GMT
The bloke was a sadistic psychopath, good riddance I say.
Report akabula November 26, 2014 7:02 PM GMT
RIP aye that will be right. Good riddance to a piece of filth.
All the 'hard cases' will be out at his funeral trying to get on camera.
Report carvoeiro November 26, 2014 7:02 PM GMT
1.01  Funeral will have horse-drawn carriage black plumes, soap-opera actors, and pwoppa nawty wannabees in attendance.
Report SlippyBlue November 26, 2014 7:15 PM GMT
I take it HH was being somewhat ironic? He has always been consistently one of the very best posters on here for many years.
Report boxingthefox November 26, 2014 7:16 PM GMT
Exactly, Slippy.
Report hitmanhearn November 26, 2014 8:38 PM GMT
Dave Courtney security doing funeral  ( nap ) .
Report treble November 26, 2014 8:45 PM GMT
Getting grassed up annoyed him more than being fondled by a nonce. Classy!
Report dambuster November 26, 2014 8:49 PM GMT
Was best mates with Julien Clary
Report Percy Filth November 26, 2014 8:50 PM GMT
Sadly missed, one of the old school!!
No characters anymore!
Report alun2005 November 26, 2014 8:52 PM GMT
"Yer Edmonds, yer Thomas Hamiltons, the Hungerford guy, …. they're the real criminals".
Report MisterBadger November 26, 2014 8:53 PM GMT
shut it you slaaaaaaags
Report guinness2dear November 26, 2014 9:04 PM GMT
1.01  Funeral will have horse-drawn carriage black plumes, soap-opera actors, and pwoppa nawty wannabees in attendance.


With Danny Dyer holding the reins..
Report guinness2dear November 26, 2014 9:05 PM GMT
Btw - weren't the Krays midgets?
Report Crisp77 November 26, 2014 9:06 PM GMT
He's got a lovely mansion.

Any idea who will inherit the house of Fraser.
Report dambuster November 26, 2014 9:16 PM GMT
Used to live in Duncan terrace islington, I use to talk to him in The York , a pub near the angel , when I was working for RBS, he use to sit in there  with his dog, seemed like a nice man, but there was always an undertone of menace
Report brendanuk1 November 26, 2014 9:20 PM GMT
bad pint maybe Confused
Report kenny mann November 26, 2014 9:22 PM GMT
when criminals were criminals RIP
Report i_agree_with_nick November 26, 2014 9:27 PM GMT
he use to sit in there  with his dog, seemed like a nice man, but there was always an undertone of menace

I know exactly what you mean. I used to have a dog like that.
Report MisterBadger November 26, 2014 9:36 PM GMT
LaughLaughLaugh nick
Report MisterBadger November 26, 2014 9:44 PM GMT
It must be true etc.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2340023/Gangland-legend-Mad-Frankie-Fraser-handed-ASBO-89-row-fellow-resident-care-home.html

how are the mighty fallen  Laugh
Report akabula November 26, 2014 9:50 PM GMT
kenny mann

when criminals were criminals RIP


You are kidding Kenny, aren't you?
Report kenny mann November 26, 2014 9:52 PM GMT
being ironic like HH. Shocked
Report akabula November 26, 2014 10:01 PM GMT
A bookie I once worked for met the krays a few times at the boxing in london.
Said they were vile creatures. Mind you he didn't tell me that until they were dead. Laugh
He met Fraser at an after show meal and said that he was worse.
Report kenny mann November 26, 2014 10:02 PM GMT
With about 20 of his mates with him, no doubt. He was very small.
Report kenny mann November 26, 2014 10:06 PM GMT
taxi would have floored him with one punch.
Report MisterBadger November 26, 2014 10:08 PM GMT
I don't think frankie would be seen drinking punch tbf
Report akabula November 26, 2014 10:11 PM GMT
I never realised the krays were only about 5'7"
Report i_agree_with_nick November 26, 2014 10:16 PM GMT
iirc they fought at Lightweight
Report dambuster November 26, 2014 10:19 PM GMT
Ronnie was only 4"11", Reggie was 5"7", it's amazing really, but people were much smaller years ago.
Report akabula November 26, 2014 10:19 PM GMT
Kenny could gave done them no problem.
Report call me a taxi November 26, 2014 10:19 PM GMT
hitmanhearn   
26 Nov 14 20:38 
Dave Courtney security doing funeral  ( nap )


I wouldn't have thought so.

Fraser thought Courtney was a coppers nark.
Report dambuster November 26, 2014 10:20 PM GMT
Ronnie made Gary Bardwell look like Vladimir Klitchko
Report dambuster November 26, 2014 10:21 PM GMT
Dave Courtney with his gold teeth was not trusted by Frankie
Report akabula November 26, 2014 10:23 PM GMT
Ronnie was only 4"11", Reggie was 5"7", it's amazing really, but people were much smaller years ago.

Years ago (mid 60s)I took a summer job in the fruitmarket.
One of the drivers had a car reg in his cab on the windscreen with Big Harry on it.
He was about 5'6" Laugh
Report Crisp77 November 26, 2014 10:26 PM GMT
Maybe he had a huge c'ck
Report akabula November 26, 2014 10:26 PM GMT
Paul Ferris told Courtney he was a wannabe. Laugh
Report call me a taxi November 26, 2014 10:37 PM GMT
Ronnie was only 4"11", Reggie was 5"7", it's amazing really, but people were much smaller years ago.

Reg was 5-7, and the better boxer, Ron was taller at 5-9.

Reg had 7 official fights and won all 7, he beat Bill Sliney twice on points. 

Ron had 4 official fights, he lost two, and one of them was against Bill Sliney.
Report i_agree_with_nick November 26, 2014 10:40 PM GMT
Elder brother Charlie was also a pro
Report alun2005 November 26, 2014 10:43 PM GMT
And he was 3' 6" apparently.

The person I feel sorry for tonight though is Queenie Watts. Another of her many beaux passes on.
Report call me a taxi November 26, 2014 10:45 PM GMT
Laugh
Report i_agree_with_nick November 26, 2014 10:46 PM GMT
Charlie Kray was Ko'd by Lew Lazar who went on to fight for the British, Empire and European Middleweight titles
Report dambuster November 26, 2014 10:49 PM GMT
Queenie use to sing with Charlie while Reggie played the bagpipes.Laugh
Report call me a taxi November 26, 2014 10:51 PM GMT
Charlie Kray paid for the Rolls Royce for my old boss's daughters wedding, he got them a colour telly for a present, and paid for a hotel room for my old boss and his wife at the reception.

But he never turned up.

Charlie was 5-9 and a welterweight, his record was 18 fights, 11 wins and 1 draw.
Report Facts November 26, 2014 10:57 PM GMT
CMAT

You're a right geezer ain't yer ?
Report kenny mann November 26, 2014 11:00 PM GMT
He's just stating Facts you knob.
Report Facts November 26, 2014 11:06 PM GMT
'Cor blimey guv' leave it aht
Report alun2005 November 26, 2014 11:06 PM GMT
Just think how much money Band Aid would have raised if they'd had proper musical artistes like Queenie Watts duetting with Charlie K, Reggie K on his psychedelic bagpipes, and Wilfred Hyde White simultaneously on harmonica AND drums, all nicely backed by top drink-driver Jack Parnell and his orchestra.

Poor old Midge Geldof must be crying to himself having to work with the lightweights of the current musical industry.
Report alun2005 November 26, 2014 11:07 PM GMT
I bet The Stoned Roses wished they had selected that above supergroup to support them at Spike Island, rather than the rancid DJs that bored the crowd senseless on that dire day.
Report Percy Filth November 26, 2014 11:15 PM GMT
Wasn't Frankie married to Queenie Watts once?
Report alun2005 November 26, 2014 11:22 PM GMT
We've done that bit already. Do keep up Percy.
Report call me a taxi November 26, 2014 11:38 PM GMT
Facts    26 Nov 14 22:57 
CMAT
You're a right geezer ain't yer ?


Well, I'm not a woman.


kenny mann    26 Nov 14 23:00 
He's just stating Facts you knob.


What else do you expect from these left wing clowns? Laugh
Report MisterBadger November 26, 2014 11:43 PM GMT
oof!  Laugh
Report dambuster November 27, 2014 9:05 AM GMT
Saw him have a fight with Monty modlin in queenies pub one night, engelbert humperdink broke it up, he was helping queenie out behind the bar.
Report HH Sultan Vinegar November 27, 2014 10:37 AM GMT
Years ago I used to work with a proper geezer from Southampton Row who was very much like Big Vern. He had known Bertie Smalls' family, and as a saucepan had run supplies to Bertie's hideaway. Blimey if they'd facking caught the scrote they'd have cut him open like a gudgeon and no mistaking guvnor. 
He's living in Spain now (surprise), and when I saw Brick Top for the first time I thought it was him!

Do you know what a Nemesis is?
.



PS thanks for the kind words Slips Love
Report alun2005 November 27, 2014 10:41 AM GMT
Some superb auditions going on in this thread already for the next Guy Ritchie movie.
Report rob_dylan November 27, 2014 10:56 AM GMT
http://viz.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/bigvern.jpg

Big vern getting rid of a stiff.
Report HH Sultan Vinegar November 27, 2014 11:02 AM GMT
lol brilliant. "cut me a deal and I'll turn Queens" is what Bertie Smalls himself must have said.
Report RickiBobby November 27, 2014 11:21 AM GMT
(a) Loveable rogue from a bygone time were violence was a way of life
(b) full time sicko who delighted in torturing people and destroying peoples lives.
Report rob_dylan November 27, 2014 11:24 AM GMT
wiki page says he used to rob peoples houses during the war.  When they were in their air raid shelters.  Lovable rogue my ringpiece.
Report RickiBobby November 27, 2014 11:30 AM GMT
Anyone got any evidence that (a) is correct?
Report themightymac November 27, 2014 11:44 AM GMT
Liz Fraser was great. Wonder what happened to her.
Report themightymac November 27, 2014 11:45 AM GMT
Blonde, busty actress who appeared in so many British films in 60s and 70s. Is she still alive?? Must be in her 70s now at the least?? Think she was a Londoner.
Report RickiBobby November 27, 2014 11:49 AM GMT
Joe Frazier was a great boxer ,the fact that Frankie Fraser shares the first 3 letters of his surname is just about the only good thing that can be said about him.
Report dambuster November 27, 2014 1:40 PM GMT
She's still alive at 84 and looks lovely , wasn't she married to James Robertson-justice .?
Report Slicer November 27, 2014 2:07 PM GMT
Mr Fraser was the best dentist never to qualify as a dentist. Admittedly he never used any form of anaesthesia, but that just added to the charm- and the pain of course!

I hope this snippet of information adds to the interest raised on this thread.
Report unitedbiscuits November 27, 2014 2:47 PM GMT
Some superb auditions going on in this thread already for the next Guy Ritchie movie.

Yes, this thread could serve as the script too..
Report alun2005 November 27, 2014 3:46 PM GMT
What's really needed today is for a man of the magnitude of Danny Dyer to appear on all channels making a statesmanlike speech that will offer some comfort to our nation in this our hour of grief.
Report fred c dobs November 27, 2014 4:54 PM GMT
Close friend and confidant of the Piranha Brothers,at there behest,allegedly,he screwed Luigi Fracottes pelvic girdle to a cake stand.Looks like SPINY MORMAN finaly got immm.evening all fredMischief
Report TheBaron November 27, 2014 5:49 PM GMT
Described himself as "a bit of a rascal"  which is a popular expression used by various scumbags who are a blight on society.  And of course he never harmed anyone who didn't deserve it.
Report Navel-Gazer November 27, 2014 5:52 PM GMT
A rascal? That's some euphemism for gutter vermin!

Chris Morris was a brave man to get tangled up with him on Brass Eye Happy
Report TheBaron November 27, 2014 6:24 PM GMT
He got shot in the head coming out of Turnmills club in EC1 in the early 90's.  A week before that I'd been in Turnmills trying to sell the manager something and was introduced to the scariest looking bloke I've ever seen.  I decided not to bother trying to close the sale and hoped they didn't ring me.
Report call me a taxi November 27, 2014 8:27 PM GMT
Albert Reading is still alive.
People take the piss out of old time gangsters, but you wouldn't want to mess with Albert, even though he's well over 70.
Just as nasty as Fraser.
Report RLKingPunter November 28, 2014 8:57 PM GMT
If Frankie was mad then what was Roy Shaw....now he was mad, did you know him cmat?
Report call me a taxi November 28, 2014 9:26 PM GMT
No.

Forumite Gogoidol lived near him in Chigwell. 

Used to see him walk his dogs nearly every day, he had a 'mad' glint in his eye.
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