It saddens me that our society continues to blame the victims

of the immorality and greed of the rich which led to the Credit Crunch

perhaps they should remember

'there but for grace of God go I'

Who are the victims ebul?
I paid taxes all my life and still do even though I'm retired.
So am I a victim of the benefit cheats?

Over the years I've known quite a few people who genuinely can't work because of a disability.
Unfortunately I've known quite a few who are at it.
The malingerers must take their portion of the blame alongside everyone else who puts a strain on the economy one way or another.

Well why is our society not competing with Germany, where are all our industries?

To be fair that is a failure of all of our society is it not?

The rich pay towards the upkeep of the poor, that is it with me.

Our failure rests with everybody

Someone earning 20k and contributing 3000 tax is making a bigger sacrifice than someone earning 2million and paying 800,000 tax, not in monetary terms of course but in regards to their solvency and how it effects their overall standard of living.

Sure there are folk who are able to work but don`t want to, but why should genuinely disabled and sick people be penalised and suffer because of a minority? We all know people who are genuine people who have been victims of the Tory cuts and this is morally wrong imo.

Not referring to posts but to Tory policy and IDS in particular. They are evil and don`t care about the poor, sick and disabled. All Tories care about is MONEY. I`m All Right Jacks the lot of them.

According to Crippen's figure, of the first tranche of assessments 37% were found fit to work. I'd imagine the net will have caught an awful lot of people trying it on in that enormous group.

There's obviously a deep rooted problem with people lying about their health simply to get extra benefits.

youre so fecking blind to whats going on not to mention actual posts on this thread, the entire thread was written in relation to the genuinely ill, who are genuinely being made to suffer, some dying,  at the hands of a socially evil, and corrupt gov't.

^That referred to your previous post.

yes, loads of them - 70 people a week now dying within a very short space of time after being told bt dwp that theyre 'fit for work' this far far outweighs any fraud, and the fraud there is doesnt matter when comparing it to even one death...70 people a week! but perhaps its all a big coincidence.

It seems very odd that a number of these reported deaths were among people who had family nearby.
Which does nothing for their credibility.

Take a random sample of 300,000 people, and around 70 a week of that sample will die every week.
People claiming ( whether genuinely or not ) to be sufficiently incapacitated to be excused not having to actively seek work number over a million, i think it's over 2.6 million from Dr C's number. And they are not a random sample.

The death of Jacqueline Harris is another suicide we can lay firmly at the door of the Department for Work and Pensions.

This poor woman, a former nurse who suffered chronic pain in her back after an accident at work, in her hand after a dog bite, and partial blindness due to a head injury, took her life after the DWP axed her incapacity benefit after a one-question work capability assessment. The question? “Can you get on a bus?”

The coroner’s verdict was suicide but we should all know that she would not have taken her life if her Atos assessor and the DWP had recognised the seriousness of her condition. They may well suggest that Ms Harris had mental instability that led her to suicide – shouldn’t the assessor have identified that?

Responsibility clearly lies with the Atos assessor, with the company that employed this person, with the DWP for distributing the (clearly inadequate) rules they followed and with the government ministers who approved and enforced those rules.

The charge should be corporate manslaughter and the evidence is irrefutable. Here’s the Western Daily Press report to prove it:

A half-blind widow racked with pain took a fatal cocktail of drugs after a controversial fitness test ruled her OK to work and her incapacity benefit was axed.

Former nurse Jacqueline Harris, 53, pinned a suicide note to her pyjamas and left post-it notes on her belongings saying who should get them after her death.

Despite being in constant agony she was declared fit to work after a cursory check by ATOS, the Government-appointed benefits assessors.

Speaking at the time of her death, her sister Christine [Norman] said during this ‘two-minute’ hearing in August 2012 she was asked only one question – whether she could catch a bus – and her incapacity benefit was scrapped.

Devastated Jacqueline pleaded with the government workers, explaining she was waiting for a complex operation, but she was ignored.
Her sister added: “She knew she wasn’t going to get any help. She was waiting for a review date for an appeal. I knew she wasn’t going to wait till this date.”

Christine said: “Her life really had no meaning. She just could not cope with the pain.
“Everything was an effort and she was in serious pain.

“She detested her existence. Disempowered, she wanted to die.”
A statement from Atos passed the buck onto the DWP. Responsibility lies with everybody involved in the chain of events that led to Ms Harris’s death.
Perhaps someone should organise a funeral parade past Caxton House, with coffins representing all the known DWP-related suicides since 2010, one of them might get the point. But even this is doubtful.
When will these people get justice?

Yes mate, they all are. ***** that is. Give IDS a phone, his number is Westminster 666.

Poor Broke Tony. His obsession is clearly a form of mental illness. Perhaps he will cite this thread when he goes for his WCA with ATOS.

@ Tony:
Re- Jacqueline Harris, you are aware presumably that between the disgraceful if true 2-min assessment and her suicide there was a gap of 15 months. During that gap period:
-she had a spine operation which failed
-loss of benefit income was minimal
-she got a lot of psychiatric help

There's a lot of factors in suicide, but excruciating pain has to be the big one.

atos did not get the sack  - wrong. They pulled out of the original assessments owing to lack of viable profits, how very caring of them, however, they now assess people for pip instead.
With ref to above lady and every other death cited. How remarkably coincidental that every single case has come relatively shortly after assessments, I would have to read up again about time period for above lady, and there's always a possibility she had had enough, tho i believe the decision over benefits could have still been the final straw...the others were t anything like so long. AND U MISS THE POINT!! as usual with blinkered imbeciles who stand up for a party which the british public is now beginning to see for that it truly is.

The point is these twuts have been attacking the poor, sick, disabled for some time, anyone can see it. and so can you. Fuking them over whilst handing out increasing profits to themselves when they don't deserve it.


EVERY single death has coincidentally had either letters from dwp or family and friends giving reasons for those deaths, even ONE death related to benefit stopping is outrageous. No one, no one at all in this country should ever be punished with a threat of starvation, and that is happening in ever-increasing volumes.
And also, do NOT assume you can ever fuking comment on how the less well off live unless you can empathise yourself, you literally have no idea, and u, like the troy cvunts who are killing people, do not live in the real world.

They dont stand a chance of winning the election, none whatsoever. And if they did thee rd be riots all over the country ..and ill be leading them.

Tony, are you the chap who thought that the world was going to end in 2008?

Im standing up for others - is that a crime on here?