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Report Velasquez • November 6, 2014 1:16 AM GMT
Kenny - I think you should contact a proper auction house - take a scan or record of the photo before you go...it sounds like it will be a one-off item...there can't be many prints made, or many that survive...Hockney is probably No.1 UK artist now that Lucian Freud is deceased...WRITE to auction house but obviously don't send photo...just photo of photo or scan or something.

I don't have a clue what the photo is worth - it would ideally go to a specialist sale and Hockney should know about its sale.

There are photo archives that might want to buy it - for future biographies, etc.
Report Velasquez • November 6, 2014 1:18 AM GMT
There are also valuation websites that charge £10 per item...you send them a digital scan and explain what the item is, as best you can...
Report kenny mann • November 6, 2014 1:24 AM GMT
ok, thanks Vel. Will look into that. Last time I mentioned it on here someone suggested it would be virtually worthless.
Report Velasquez • November 6, 2014 1:25 AM GMT
Kenny - Hockney has his own website...there is a contact address...I would send him a scan of the photo and circumstances, etc...but don't mention money...see what he says...
Report kenny mann • November 6, 2014 1:25 AM GMT
Bed now, will dream of it fetching 10k in which case I'll treat you. Happy
Report Velasquez • November 6, 2014 1:27 AM GMT
Whenever I've seen him on the telly, he is quite a chatty, interesting bloke - contact him on the website and see what he says...
Report Velasquez • November 6, 2014 1:30 AM GMT
If Hockney replies, he might add some memories of the day...and THAT would become part of the documentation for the photo...Hockney is very tech-savvy by the way.
Report kenny mann • November 6, 2014 1:34 AM GMT
Can't really see him getting excited about a photo taken when he was about 6 when he'll have loads of 'em but worth a try. Night.
Report Velasquez • November 6, 2014 1:39 AM GMT
G'night Kenny.

I think you're wrong, Kenny - Hockney has always had a high opinion of photography...just like to say that loads of contemporary artists use "banal" family photos in their work...Gerhard Richter...American guy Confused especially...
Report Velasquez • November 6, 2014 1:43 AM GMT
ROBERT BECHTLE

Internet search on him...uses mundane family photos for paintings.
Report kenny mann • November 6, 2014 3:40 PM GMT
Thanks Vel, will do.
Report themightymac • November 6, 2014 7:46 PM GMT
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Report Velasquez • November 6, 2014 7:56 PM GMT
Cool...anybody else think Stubbs could have centred the horse a bit better?...tail's a bit cut off...

Mac! Maaaaaaaaac! Any chance you could post this portrait? :

http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large/the-mandolin-player-anselm-feuerbach.jpg
Report themightymac • November 6, 2014 8:01 PM GMT
Yes, no problem mate, will do. I have added it and will post it once it is cleared by the moderators. Grin

It`s a cracker!
Report themightymac • November 6, 2014 8:04 PM GMT
Stubbs was fantastic.
Report themightymac • November 6, 2014 8:07 PM GMT
Whistlejacket is truly magnificent. Have you actually seen it in real life V?
Report themightymac • November 6, 2014 8:09 PM GMT
As was Molly Long Legs Grin

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Report Velasquez • November 6, 2014 8:12 PM GMT
Yes - I went to London a couple of times to see Anselm Kiefer and Chinese painter, Chen Yi Fe. Also big Lucian Freud show. There was too much to take in, but I stood in front of Whistlejacket for about 15 mins. Stunning. Completely WASTED down there for great art.
Report Velasquez • November 6, 2014 8:17 PM GMT
Send some of it up to the regions ffs.....also love Munnings - one eyed painter Shocked - so gifted...I've bought about 20 Sotheby's catalogues just to get decent prints of Munnings' paintings.

Also like ANDRE PATER, a modern Polish painter based in Kentucky...he paints horses and jockeys in a Munnings-like style - kinda retro...really skillful.

And, eh...
Report Velasquez • November 6, 2014 8:21 PM GMT
http://photo.blogs.timesdispatch.com/files/2013/04/vmfa02s-1024x738.jpg

Isidore Bonheur horse bronze...posted this a few months back, but......Surprised
Report kenny mann • November 6, 2014 8:23 PM GMT
I can't post photo's for some reason, but the painting "Goodbye Old Friend" is one of the saddest things I've ever seen.

his is a stunning print of one of the most celebrated paintings of the first world war. A wonderful depiction of human emothion n times of conflict. Matanias work shows a young soldier tenderly cradling the head of his stricken horse, even as shells burst around him, and a comrade urges him onward. Matania was commissioned in 1916 by the Blue Cross fund to produce a picture illustrating the heroisn of the animals involved in the war. The blue cross fund has been set up by Our Dumb Friends league in 1912, to assists animals during the Balken war, and it later paid £130 for the painting. This was money well spent as the scene, subtitled An incident on the road to a battery position in Southern Flanders, achieved iconic status. The work was printed in numerous publications thoughout the world, with thw Belgium magazine Le Grande Guerre asserting, below the image Les Anglais ont pour leurs chevaux une grande amiti (The English have a great love for their horses). Over one million horses saw service with the british Army during the First world war.

http://www.regimental-art.com/regimental_prints.php?ProdID=10409
Report Velasquez • November 6, 2014 8:29 PM GMT
It is sad, Kenny. It's a "Pieta", really.
Report kenny mann • November 6, 2014 8:41 PM GMT
Really! (having just googled Pieta)
Report Velasquez • November 6, 2014 8:46 PM GMT
The soldier is cradling his dying horse and they've been through the war together - and the horse is a poor, innocent animal that gave its best. I reckon some old time viewers, at the time it was painted, would make the connection with the Michelangelo Pieta sculpture.
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Report themightymac • November 6, 2014 8:49 PM GMT
Tasunke Witko
Report themightymac • November 6, 2014 8:50 PM GMT
a.k.a. Crazy Horse
Report Velasquez • November 6, 2014 8:50 PM GMT
http://artpaintingartist.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/War-Pieta-by-Max-Ginsburg.jpg

This painting is horrific but very dramatic..."War Pieta".
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Report Velasquez • November 6, 2014 8:54 PM GMT
That is evil! Cry
Report Velasquez • November 6, 2014 8:56 PM GMT
They'll do anything to stop Treve! Cry
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Report akabula • November 7, 2014 12:10 AM GMT
I've 6 limited edition prints by Claire Eva Burton.
Love them and never get tired of looking at them with my favourite Mr Frisk but only because I bet it when it won the National in 1990.
Report Tony Broke • November 7, 2014 12:15 AM GMT
I once tried to paint a horse and it was going really well until he knocked the can of paint over.
Report bodil • November 7, 2014 1:39 AM GMT
'osses!
Report Velasquez • November 7, 2014 10:36 AM GMT
Where have you been, Bodil? Thought you'd fell down one of them abstracty void-thingies in Dr. Strange comics.

Aka - she was the Queen Mother's fave painter - bet you knew that, though. Yours, Celtic 7 Rangers 1. The QM used to hang them in her box at Ascot...that's the kind of sentence you don't want to post on here.

Mac = Diamond Geezer...thanks Mac.
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 6:42 PM GMT
Kenny - someone mentioned the racehorse Steinlen on another thread ; he was owned by the Wildensteins who probably owned more Steinlens than anyone else - Theophile Steinlen is famous for his cat paintings and posters...cats, cats, cats, cats...
Report zilzal1 • November 8, 2014 6:48 PM GMT
How dare you mention that horsePlain
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 6:58 PM GMT
Can't help it...I gotta story to tell...Excited
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 7:00 PM GMT
You, know...maybe he was just BETTER than Zilzal - you ever considered that? Mischief
Report zilzal1 • November 8, 2014 7:03 PM GMT
NO
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 7:14 PM GMT
Remember backing him at 8/1 for the Arlington Million - also Sierra Roberta in France at 11/2, Carroll House at 9/2 in Ireland and Danehill at 5/2 or 7/2 - can't recall...wrote out the line with a £5 accie and £1 trebles...then I tore up the line and replaced Danehill with Kerrera...sheer greed. And I was only a young lad working in a removal van shifting pianos for tuppence-ha'penny a week! Cry
Report zilzal1 • November 8, 2014 7:17 PM GMT
Irish Champion Stakes, Haydock Sprint Cup and Arc trials weekend 1989, We had decimal currency 18 years before that old chapDevil
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 7:20 PM GMT
Who the feck remembers Kerrera now? Not a soul, not even Michael Stoute or Wally Swinburn! Cry It's all Danehill THIS and Danehill THAT, from Australia to Timbuktu...Cry

Could have bought The Hispaniola for that kind of dough, back in them days.
Report zilzal1 • November 8, 2014 7:24 PM GMT
Carroll House's Arc was the last i went to... backed the Ian Balding winner of the Abbaye, who's nme escapes me and i cant be arsed to google
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 7:25 PM GMT
Hey, you're GOOD! Total Recall... Not actually sure what race Sierra Roberta won...only picked it because of the de Moussac bee colours, also known as "the devil's livery"...might have been some Group 2 race in France...bloody loved Trempolino...Love
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 7:26 PM GMT
Silver Fling?
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 7:28 PM GMT
Cap'n Zilzal, if I could have my forum time over again, my Username would be Trempolino1.
Report zilzal1 • November 8, 2014 7:34 PM GMT
Silver Fling was right..was there for Trempolino, Reference Point was odds on, got really ratarsed that day and had to go on the boat back to work ffs

That years runner up Tony Bin won next year, last feckin winner of the race i backed ffs.. mind you he was 33s ante post
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 7:41 PM GMT
Very sad that Cauthen got boo-ed, and Reference Point too. The horse didn't deserve that. That is the weirdest Arc in my opinion, the way the pace caused the field to collapse - never seen anything like it, and the horses at the back came through in three or four strides.

Actually dreamt this race just as it happened on the Friday night. Shocked
Report zilzal1 • November 8, 2014 7:46 PM GMT
There was a parting of the waves as Tremp/Tony came through, fair old field as Triptych and Mtoto were also there, used to be a group of us, all LBO Managers who went for 4 years running, 1st was Dancing Braves one with Miesque also winning.

The dat was usually kicked off with Brandy and Coffee in a cafePlain
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 7:54 PM GMT
You can't beat that, being there for Dancing Brave - that's the best ever.

Laddies did a comp in the Sporting Life that year and you got £1 betting vouchers for every correct answer...or sometimes £5 or £10 or £20 win voucher for the Arc...think I spent about £20 buying 2nd class stamps for 12p...and I used to love getting up in the morning for the post, a slew of betting vouches - most of them DOUBLES on the Cambridgeshire / Arc...think Dallas won then all my vouchers went on to................Bering. Cry
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 8:00 PM GMT
It was odd because they didn't state "only one comp. entry per household." I got the whole family to fill in postcards with the answers - 1) Mill Reef...2)Allez France...3)All Along...they thought I was nuts......until THE VOUCHERS started arriving...! Excited

The betting shop manager had to make a phone call to HQ when I went in first thing on Saturday morning..."Whit the feck are these, son?" Laugh
Report zilzal1 • November 8, 2014 8:04 PM GMT
BBC 4 NOW..Maps, Power
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 8:06 PM GMT
G'night Zilzal...see you next flat season...

Kenny Mann ------------> STEINLEN!
Report Mikael D'Haguenet • November 8, 2014 8:07 PM GMT
Velasquez     08 Nov 14 19:20 
Who the feck remembers Kerrera now?


I do! I backed Kerrera to beat one of Henry's (I think) in a race at Haydock (Sandy Lane maybe?) in a £10 sfc. My mate had same but to 3 quid. When he went to drag they gave him an amount similar to what I was expecting for my bet. Gave 'em my slip and instead of the £33.90 I was expecting, they gave me £83.90. Shockingly, we both kept it!
Report Mikael D'Haguenet • November 8, 2014 8:07 PM GMT
Think I was on a YTS at the time, in my defence!
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 8:08 PM GMT
Watching Dr. Who -- Capaldi bought my paintings.
Report Mikael D'Haguenet • November 8, 2014 8:09 PM GMT
Thorn Dance was the hoss that came 2nd. I can't confirm the sfc divi tho!
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 8:10 PM GMT
Glad to see she did somebody a turn, Mikael.
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 8:12 PM GMT
Was Thorn Dance trained by Ben Hanbury? Seem to remember that...green and red colours...
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 8:13 PM GMT
Or maybe it was Cecil - can't remember - I'll have this on a dvd somewhere...
Report Mikael D'Haguenet • November 8, 2014 8:16 PM GMT
No, definitely was Henry. According to RP, was originally owned by Sheikh Mo, but he must've given it to his brother, Maktoum al Maktoum.

The Hanbury thing may've been Batshoof?
Report Mikael D'Haguenet • November 8, 2014 8:18 PM GMT
Thorn Dance.
Northern Dancer (CAN)  (10.5f) — Barb´s Bold (USA) (Bold Forbes (USA)  (11.3f))

I remember when I gave away my first Northern Dancer...
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 8:18 PM GMT
Grin That's it Mikael! Saved me a visit to the cupboard there...FFs...you're spot on.
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 8:22 PM GMT
You had to make a wee list of all the Northern Dancers in them days...$4 million one goes to Hern...£650,000 one went to Stoute......crappy $200,000 one went to Alec Stewart.....
Report Mikael D'Haguenet • November 8, 2014 8:26 PM GMT
I remember one of them had a debutant 4yo Northern Dancer that went off about 9/2. I'd not been betting too long but I thought 'this game is easy!'
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 8:33 PM GMT
Couldn't believe there was a book about Northern Dancer in our local library back then. The woman author had a chapter about Nijinsky and told the readers to pay special attention to chestnut sons of Nijinsky...next year, BINGO! Shahrastani and Ferdinand came along.
Report Mikael D'Haguenet • November 8, 2014 8:34 PM GMT
The mind plays tricks...


1 9          Nabeel Dancer (USA) 10/1    4    8-9     A A Scott    —    *    *    »
Richard Hills
        

«    2 5    3      **** Sapien 9/1    7    10-0     D W Chapman    —    *    *    »
Kevin Darley
        

«    3 6    2      Perion 11/8F    7    10-0     G Lewis    —    *    *    »
G Starkey
        

«    4 4    ½      Colway Rally 20/1    5    10-0     J W Watts    —    *    *    »
Dean McKeown
        

Maybe I took 9/2 and watched it drift like a barge! Perion was a good hoss too.
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 8:37 PM GMT
Lammtarra...Generous a chestnut grand-son...will have to do some research about that biography of Northern Dancer...
Report Mikael D'Haguenet • November 8, 2014 8:38 PM GMT
I have that Northern Dancer, the legend and his legacy book somewhere. What a sire!

I posted pics elsewhere (that I can't now find) a couple of weeks ago, but did you ever see what happened to Windfields Farm?
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 8:39 PM GMT
Crikey...Alec Scott...Lammtarra...bookies paid out on his ante-post bet, didn't they? There was a film on YouTube where his wife talks about it...
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 8:41 PM GMT
Did it go bust?? Have a terrific book called WILD RIDE about Calumet Farm and Alydar - tragic story.
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 8:42 PM GMT
Also, THREE STRIDES BEFORE THE WIRE - Chris Antley and Charismatic - another cracking good read.
Report Mikael D'Haguenet • November 8, 2014 8:46 PM GMT
The Alydar story makes me want to puke. Murdering bastards!
Report Mikael D'Haguenet • November 8, 2014 8:48 PM GMT
Not read either book though, will add 'em to the 'please don't buy me sh!te I don't want, get this instead' xmas list!
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 8:51 PM GMT
Laugh
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 8:55 PM GMT
Calumet have made a comeback in the last few years but the colours are black and orange or something, instead of "devil red" and blue...don't know what the score is there...maybe the unique colours were sold on at the bankruptcy sale...dunno...you're right, it is a hellish story, but everything was revolving around Alydar and falsely hyped stud values...it was horrendous.
Report Mikael D'Haguenet • November 8, 2014 8:57 PM GMT
Still horrifies me that the best sire in the world, as Alydar arguably was at the time, was worth more dead than alive.

Anyway, here's a bit about Windfields. Click on the magnifying glass on the pic to see the other photos...

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2011/08/24/hero_racehorse_rests_among_the_weeds.html#article
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 8:57 PM GMT
Same with Ferdinand and Exceller ending up in meat markets - horrible - but the almighty $$$$ is the bottom line in the good ol' USA.
Report Mikael D'Haguenet • November 8, 2014 8:58 PM GMT
Ferdinand ended up as dog food too. Sad
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 8:58 PM GMT
Ta, Miguel - off to have a look...
Report Mikael D'Haguenet • November 8, 2014 8:59 PM GMT
Ferdinand v Alysheba one of the grat BC battles...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rk8G8AR7TaM
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 9:00 PM GMT
"Miguel" FFS! Cry Spanish fookin' names! Cry

Apologies, Mikael -- will try that again :

Ta, Mikael - off to have a look! Grin
Report Mikael D'Haguenet • November 8, 2014 9:01 PM GMT
All the same to me. My real name is Easter!
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 9:02 PM GMT
Mikael - watched that last night, ffs! Scared -- also, a previous race with the two great foes and a horse called GOOD TASTE...epic...
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 9:04 PM GMT
Some guy on YouTube made an odd comment about Ferdy V Alysheba...will try to find it...
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 9:12 PM GMT
1988 SAN BERNADINO HANDICAP - "a forgotten classic" -- brilliant 3-way finish...Chris McCarron talks about Ferdinand's flopping ears...here is YouTube guy's comments :

"The difference between Alysheba and Ferdinand was the difference between great and very good. And that difference was heart and mind. Ferdinand was a pack animal,and would pull himself up when he made the lead.

He didn't understand winning. Alysheba was like that through his 3 year old season. And then, mentally, he started to get it. His win percentage jumped and he put together one of the great handicap seasons in the last 25 years. Ferdinand was talented, but there's a reason why he lost a lot."

Don't know if this is total gash or what...Plain...they only care about winners in America, that's for sure.
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 9:14 PM GMT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZjyPzs0uTM

1988 SAN BERNADINO
Report Mikael D'Haguenet • November 8, 2014 9:21 PM GMT
Was looking for it as soon as you mentioned it. Never seen it before. What a fantastic effort by Good Taste too, though I've no idea how much weight he was getting from the two stars.

And yes, the guy was talking total gash. Merely 'talented' horses don't win Horse of the Year!
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 9:28 PM GMT
A nose or short head defeat and yer nuthin' but a bum! Cry
Report Velasquez • November 8, 2014 9:41 PM GMT
Don't understand how the farm can go to rack and ruin like that.
Report bodil • November 8, 2014 11:47 PM GMT
Vel is lovely.  Lets go for 6 in a row.
Report bodil • November 8, 2014 11:48 PM GMT
And there you go.
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