the boy who killed his teacher

Judge sentenced him to life imprisonment.he also stipulated that this should mean a minimum of 20 years, and added he may never be released.

Guess several on here would want to be his teacher..................

Ann Maguire stabbing: Killer was a 'typical, nice lad'
By Lauren Potts
BBC News, Yorkshire

At first glance this does seem a very strange case.  Its difficult to believe that he doesn't have some sort of mental condition.  Probably too dificult for the "experts" to diagnose.

I can't get my head around it, how can he be "proud" to have done this? I hated one of my teachers at school, but I worked even harder to gain success as this wound him up even more the better I did.

He's 15 ffs

And not one person tried to help her as she ran from the room.

Where was the class bully and his mates? Where was the class hardnut?

Disgraceful.

When I got the cane/slipper I allways kept talking to them during it.................asking questions abt the lesson .............as if I wanted to learn....................

Stick him in a cell with those Lee Rigby nutters   lob in a machete and turn the lights out.

"Of sound mind"? I think not.

despite the reports that his mind is sound I would expect him to be moved to Broadmoor when he's old enough - he must have some sort of psychopathic condition

His quotes from court today suggest he is a very ill young man.

about a foot taller than her and stabbed her in the neck from behind. nothing anyone could have done before it was too late

I disagree, he chased her from one room to another, a clump with a chair across his head, for starters.

What the fcuk has this world come to.

his mind was sufficiently sound to enable him to choose a 61 year old lady as his victim, funny that he did n't develop a hatred of any of the young, physically fit male teachers....

This filthy piece of detritus apparently struggled to choose between homicide and suicide, should've chosen the latter and caused grief to a lot less people.

Whilst I'm at it, the West Yorkshire police statement today was,to my mind at least, wholly inappropriate - refered to his parents as 'responsible', 'decent' and 'victims' - that may or may not be the case but it was hardly the time or the place. The Chief Superintendent was probably right to praise the actions of those teachers who tried to help Mrs. Maguire but use of words like 'safe' and phrases to the effect of 'keeping her away from further harm' were toe curlingly inadequate.

Don't know why they can't wait for a day or two after sentencing before making a more considered statement as opposed to appearing on the court room steps to do so.

Anyway that's neither here nor there really - RIP Mrs. Maguire

but that was after he had inflicted the fatal blows, wasn't it ? the first one was probably enough. she couldn't realistically have been saved

that's my point mafeking - there's no way they could have kept her safe after that, the harm had already being done.

As far as i know he came from a good family as well ..very strange

minimum twenty years for a person whose technically a child seemed harsh to me. If he'd said sorry would he have got 10 years instead? If that's true! 10 years for not saying sorry seems quite a lot.

Some child. That's nonsense no moves. He's shown no remorse for a brutal, frenzied premeditated act.

It was also pre-planned. He has shown absolutely NO remorse. He can never be considered 'safe' to live in a normal society.

Unlikely to happen but he could be out when he is 36.

As bad as this is, it could have been much worse if he had decided he wanted to go on a killing spree

think 25 years is the normal starting point for a knife murder these days. even though it was about as bad a murder as you could possibly imagine he would get some credit for his young age and possibly pleading guilty

can't think of any other recent cases of 15 year olds getting min 20 years. about as stiff a sentence as you get. could do a lot more though if he can't con the parole board like harry roberts into thinking he's a reformed character

Channel 4 News :

Mr Richardson was keen to show there are, he says, no lessons to be drawn from this appalling episode: “I feel I must reiterate what others have already said repeatedly today that this was an isolated and unprecedented incident and it is not in any way indicative of a wider problem, in this school, or in schools across the region.”

Well – that may be so. But curiously neither he nor the headteacher nor the priest were taking any questions. We were told that in advance.

A decision had been taken. Across school, church and council – no questioning allowed.

This is uncomfortable.

The verdict is passed. Will Cornick is now named.

But whatever Leeds tries to pretend, that is not the end of it, nor should it be. If Leeds wants to be united in writing all this off to a psychopathic episode then that is their prerogative but it should not go unchallenged.

Nothing could have been done to prevent it – that was the police today echoing the school/church/council.

But Cornick had talked openly about a violent attack two months before. He had written on Facebook about killing another pregnant teacher. He’d been bringing alcohol into to school  – so there are questions to be answered.

Cornick remained remorseless as he underwent psychiatric assessment.

He discussed having planned the murder for years, saying: "The killing was always on my mind since year eight, the thought of homicide, murdering her."

The teenager had even taken a bottle of Jack Daniels into school on the day of the murder with the intention of "celebrating" his actions.


"I wasn't in shock, I was happy," he later told a psychiatrist.

"I had a sense of pride. I still do."


The court was told it was clear to witnesses that the teenager was pleased with what he had done and the boy even said "good times" to horrified pupils as he returned to the classroom.

The boy chatted to them "as if nothing had happened", and while in custody he said: "Everything I've done is fine and dandy."

.....and added he may never be released.

they use to say that about Harry Roberts.

'Judged by psychiatrists to be of sound mind'


i think that says more about their current level of understanding of the mind/brain than anything else

As usual the excuses are being wheeled out, mentally ill, on the autistic spectrum (WTF ??? ).
It's pre-meditated murder, in cold blood, in public. His age shouldn't come into it. He needs put away (and I mean ending his miserable worthless life, not locked up). If it was my mother, he'd be dead already. The only good news about all this is that his name and photo have been published, so I'm sure someone will get at him.

He should be destroyed.


Cue sanctimonious shitheads.......

He should be put to sleep with minimum fuss.  He's inhuman.

there is no doubt he committed this crime so I would not argue against execution

on 24 hour suicide watch apparently, the authorities should give that a miss...

Wet liberals seem not to understand that there are people in this world who are just evil.

I'd rather be a wet liberal than someone who supports executing fifteen year olds.

Wet liberal and a santimonious sh!thead.

c. ffs.

Not in favour of the death penalty either, tis an easy way out.

That's why many banged up on whole life terms try to top themselves.

Just let them rot in a solitary confinement would be my preferred option.

Wesdag
04 Nov 14 18:19   
Not in favour of the death penalty either, tis an easy way out.

In favour of the death penalty where there is no doubt whatsoever, like this case. Save the taxpayer a fortune, and who will regret that?   


That's why many banged up on whole life terms try to top themselves.

Perhaps the gutless bastards should have topped themsleves before being arested.

Just let them rot in a solitary confinement would be my preferred option.

Can't do it, apparently these cnunts have 'rights'.

Death penalty would be better, but rather than a lethal injection, I'd give him an ebola injection. I hear that's quite painful and isn't too quick.

One argument against capital punishment is that innocent people may get executed. How many innocent people have been killed because we do not have capital punishment , I wonder?
Can there be reasonable doubt in this case?

How many innocent people have been killed because we do not have capital punishment , I wonder?

My guess is zero.

Your guess is wrong.

For every murderer released who murdered again, somebody innocent died.

I'd bet it's more than one.

in what way is this 16 year old piece of filth "innocent" ?

call me a taxi     05 Nov 14 00:59 
Your guess is wrong.

For every murderer released who murdered again, somebody innocent died.

I'd bet it's more than one.

Blame the system that released them back into society. Capital punishment is NOT a deterrent.

Platini     05 Nov 14 10:39 
in what way is this 16 year old piece of filth "innocent" ?

Who has suggested he's innocent?

I saw some stats that said that criminals who had received capital punishment were a zero risk of reoffending.

send them to Birmingham. as bad as it might be for them, we doant want them in the capital

He looks strangely like Maxine Carr imo

Those released on parole should be forced to live close to those who have permitted them to be released early.

I read that we have a better murder conviction rate nowadays as juries were much more reluctant to convict if they knew the defendant could hang. We also have much longer sentences now for murder and more people with a whole life tariff than ever before.

Mikael D'Haguenet
Blame the system that released them back into society. Capital punishment is NOT a deterrent.

Where is your proof?

Look how many murders there were before 1965 when hanging was abolished, and compare that to todays figures.

Don't quote yankland, they sit on 'death row' for years while they faff about deciding when to finish them off. 



Hanging stops re-offending 100%.

If we don't have capital punishment then life should mean just that and they should be on minimum rights in jail ie bed, warmth, food, exercise and toilet/washing facilities. Everything else would need to be earned through good behaviour.

I don't agree with the death penalty

1 It makes us no better than the murderer
2 Innocent people have already been hanged in the past so would have Stefan Kizkow/Barry George

Life though should mean life and with no release

Steamship    06 Nov 14 11:51 
I don't agree with the death penalty

As posted before, we should impose the death penalty on those that are 100% guilty.

100% yes, like this pr1ck

Mikael Haguenet, " wet liberal and sanctimonious shithead". At least you are honest about it.

see the Maxine Carr likeness

I'm always honest, you thick c*nt.

the bar for the supposedly widely understood notion of 'human being' - is absurdly low : at present, anything with two arms and two legs gets taken for a human.    Well thats all wrong - many people fail to manifest fully, their development is interrupted. End result: something that has only morphology in common with a truly human being.
They are waste material, biomass. they ain't people ! just cos they drive cars, drink cups of tea and visit their nan - that don't make 'em human.

they are no m ore to blame for their incompleteness than we are, and should be humaely discorporated and recycled into the environment.  I'd say 'killed', but that suggests human - and it is these beings very lack of humanity that brings them to our attention in the first place.

psychopaths cannot be treated to enable a return of their humanity, due to the bits you might want to 'treat' being absent in the first pl
ace

Oh dear...here we go again with the wet liberal view about hanging / punishment in general.

I just do not understand modern thinking about human rights.

Anyone who commits a crime against another person or persons deprives their victim of at least some of their human rights. Even the most minor crime against someone deprives that someone of the right to live peacefully.

Hence, punishment should do the following:

Act as a deterrent to others through depriving the person committing the crime of AT LEAST the same level of human rights the crime deprived the victim of. Therefore, logically, a cold-blooded murder (and in this case it was) has deprived the teacher of her life. Hence, let's deprive the filthy piece of scum of his life - regardless of his age.

Also, as for him being of 'sound mind'. Well, perhaps he was when he was interviewed by these experts but how can he have been when he killed the teacher? Hence, I would suggest that he will never be released because who can tell if he will lapse back into the state of mind he was in when he committed the crime? Thus, the taxpayer is going to be cost millions of pounds for no good reason.

A terrible, terrible case made worse by the posturing of certain officials who couldn't keep their gobs shut but then wouldn't take questions.

in the UK, we seem to have totally lost the art of keeping your mouth shut.....

If your deranged you cannot underange  someone, to believe you can or even try is just a fruitless exercise, I suspect this pond life will not be released any time in the next 30 years.

The bloke who was tasered by Welsh police after murdering his victim in an act of cannibalism, had  died.

Good job.

Saved the taxpayer a fortune.

He had recently been released from prison, but the 'experts' no doubt considered him safe, as long as he didn't live near them, of course.

People who are bad judges of character need to be locked up to secure the safety of the general public

What needs to happen is that many more prisons are built and longer sentences imposed.

It is the same people over and over again committing most crimes.

What a joke of an expression "career criminal" is.

It's in the interest of the probation service to release supposedly safe convicts otherwise what's the point of them.

the sentence imposed on will cornick was the longest ever for a under 16 i am told

they said there was nothing to suggest he would do what he done yet he planned it for three fckn  years ,they said he was a quiet lad yet he was on internal isolation whatever the fck that is ,they showed a pic of a clean cut boy yet when he committed the murder he had long hair and claimed to worship the devil and told a lot of people he hated that teacher and was going to kill her  ,the press distort the picture and ignore the facts and no real meaningful questions get asked .They said his parents were not to blame ,but what exactly is the criteria they came to that based on ?  a whole lot of questions and none will even be asked .

spoilt middle class brat kills the only person that ever stood up to him imo ,also he claimed devil worship and hailed from a faith school ,if this had happened in an islamic school the press orgy would be immense .

its total bullshit and anyone trying to scatch the surface of what really happened is thwarted and called a wet liberal .

UK already locks up more than any other European country and locks up more and more kids ,this was the first murder of a teacher in school for a long long time and every angle should be looked into .

Apparently the death penalty is not a deterrent.  I have no idea why.  But you see stuff in US where they have the death penalty or some proper harsh penalties, like 50 years plus for a standard murder, in a gang filled godawful prison and you just think why?  Why isnt it a deterrant?  I mean if you told me that bank robbery had no deterrant, I couldnt promise I wouldnt at least be tempted, I mean a year or two's salary for half an hour's work.  Fk the morality of stealing, I would just be saying I promise I wont hurt you, just give me the money, stop crying, I proper promise no one is gonna get hurt because there is literally no deterrant.
Sometimes there are more questions than answers.

Actually we moan about our sentences but they are draconian compared to  some other European countries, Anders  Breivik was sentenced to between 10-21 years for the mass Killings  of 77 PEOPLE in Norway

Their reasoning is that draconian sentencing doesnt stop crimes.  See my previous post.  Can you answer any of the questions I brought up?

Namely..

Does harsh sentencing reduce these terrible crimes?
If not why not?

I doubt anything would have deterred this nutter, and whatever the official court psychiatrists said, surely he must be a turkey twizzler short of a school dinner because although he planned this murder, he took no precautions against getting recognised and did not try to get away. It's not as if he ambushed her down a dark alley wearing a ski-mask. The sentence is immaterial really -- he belongs in a secure psychiatric hospital for life, not prison for 20 years and then out to stab the next poor sod who crosses his path.

For rational criminals, however, the main factor in a deterrent is the perceived likelihood of getting caught.

^too much common sense in this post. please edit.

For rational criminals, however, the main factor in a deterrent is the perceived likelihood of getting caught.

An interesting thought.  So to stop all these murders in USA, for instance, we need more cops ensuring they dont get away with it rather than stiff sentences.  Or more cctv cameras and electrical monitoring of people and stuff and tracking what they do.  Like going more toward a police state but without the stiff sentencing.

rob_dylan    07 Nov 14 16:30 
Their reasoning is that draconian sentencing doesnt stop crimes.  See my previous post.  Can you answer any of the questions I brought up?

Does harsh sentencing reduce these terrible crimes?

If not why not?


Harsh sentencing may well reduce repeat offending

So do you think 10-21 for murdering 77 people is too harsh ?

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/DonohueDeter.pdf

The view that the death penalty deters is
still the product of belief, not evidence.
The reason for this is simple: over the past
half century the U.S. has not experimented
enough with capital punishment policy to permit
strong conclusions. Even complex econometrics
cannot sidestep this basic fact. The data are
simply too noisy, and the conclusions from any
study are too fragile. On balance, the evidence
suggests that the death penalty may increase the
murder rate

the law is an ass as they say and there's no real justice anywhere. See that Welsh benefits scammer got 4 years today, while Oscar Pricktorious gets 10 months for murder/homicide

was the welshie  armed ?

Pricktorious gets 10 months for murder/homicide

You just making stuff up now Plat