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Injera
When: 12 Oct 14 20:10
Hmm, thanks for that. Come and have a look at my neighbourhood! MOst work ludicrous hours, the rest get paid for watching daytime tv and live in similar homes to those who work!

You hate the rich I get it.

Do you hate my pal who owns 2 homes, rents another and has a £1m refurbisment ongoing? Thats 20% VAT for the Public Sector (200k)!!!

3 gardeners, new 4x4 (10k VAT on that) 5 kids all privately educated and looked after by private health care (000s saved for the taxman..no burden on the State).

Oh and they're self made, entrepreneurs.

Do you hate them too?
By:
rob_dylan
When: 12 Oct 14 20:11
How about a land value tax.
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STUDYFORM
When: 12 Oct 14 20:20
I don't hate the rich, but can't see why you love them, injera. It's not like you live in a rich neighbourhood.
Well done your mate btw. Is everyone who has his sort of money so deserving?

If you think life on benefits is such a breeze, you are sadly deluded and seriously misguided by the stories of the few who take the slash and get away with it.

fwiw, I work very long hours for very little reward, have a couple of extremely wealthy mates and I have also suffered the indignity of having to try to live off the state.

Maybe it's just that I try to empathise instead of blaming whoever the Mail and Channel 5 tells me is responsible for the mess successive bunches of millionaires have made of society.
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posy
When: 12 Oct 14 20:32
The biggest problem this country faces is that there are far too many hopeless people who do not contribute to the cost of the public services which they absorb at a faster rate than those who make their own way in life without reliance on the State.Unfortunately these scroungers breed more children than the rest of us and so the cycle continues and the percentage of non contributing inadequate people in the population continues to grow.Raising taxation wont achieve anything in the long run ;the only solution is to reduce the scrounger pool. Even with an overall majority Cameron will probably be unwilling to do what is necessary however Osborne and Farage might have the bottle to begin to tackle the problem.
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sj
When: 12 Oct 14 20:33
Those on long term benefits of course its a breeze. You know something is wrong when the cap comes in at 26K and people who have been on them complain that they may now have to get rid of SKY TV. As someone who has never claimed a penny and been with the same company up at 5:45 every morning for 14 years being on 20K a year in the South East when the cap is at 26K is a touch annoying
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STUDYFORM
When: 12 Oct 14 20:37
Same old crap, all the time.
Won't you people ever realise that not everyone on benefits is a scrounger?

A majority of those forced (yes, forced) to live on welfare, don't want to.

Every time sanctions are created, and welfare is cut, it's these poor feckers who suffer. Not the scroungers and not you lot, which is why you trot out the same nonsense on every thread on the subject.

ffs!!!!!
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sj
When: 12 Oct 14 20:42
There are some people on long term benefits who dont wont to work mate I'm sorry but that is the case. I'm not saying all are, I'm not talking about those who geniunely cant work, but welfare for some has become a way of life that is true.
Of course another problem is those in work who are minimum wage whilst the top person is on 30 times as much plus a bonus is wrong. Anyone who works 40 hours a week shouldnt have money topped up by working tax credits the company should pay enough. When Tescos are making a profit of two billion and their workers are having to be topped up by working Tax Credits something is wrong
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STUDYFORM
When: 12 Oct 14 20:47
I couldn't agree more.

Therein lies the problem. The need for ever increasing profits for big corporations and utilities etc year on year.

More money needed for everyone to pay for it all, including those on benefits. Meanwhile the money made doesn't come back in tax because most of it is avoided.
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STUDYFORM
When: 12 Oct 14 20:50
btw, sj.

Just look at the damage ATOS did to 10s of 1000's of people who are/were genuinely sick and unable to work (some even terminal or paraplegic) at the cost of Billions paid to ATOS by the taxpayer. In order to cut even less billions from the welfare budget.
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posy
When: 12 Oct 14 21:03
Studyform i've set out the reality of the situation the country is in .I'm certainly not advocating a unilateral withdrawal of benefits as quite obviously there are people who through no fault of their own need to be supported by the State. That is the mark of a civilised Society however it is crass,weak Governments like those of Blair and Brown that have encouraged the undeserving to sponge off the State and it is these people that need to be dealt with.
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sj
When: 12 Oct 14 21:06
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btw, sj.

Just look at the damage ATOS did to 10s of 1000's of people who are/were genuinely sick and unable to work (some even terminal or paraplegic) at the cost of Billions paid to ATOS by the taxpayer. In order to cut even less billions from the welfare budget.

Nobody worse than ATOS mate agree 100%. Tests if you were fit for work included lifting a pint of milk and touching your toes.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 12 Oct 14 21:11
I have been at an ATOS 'interview' with a very deserving case. It was a joke. Fortunately the appeal (which I also attended) was upheld, but not without major stress and upset.

The question, Posy, or at least the dispute, is over the numbers of scroungers vs genuine claimants.
I would suggest the ratio is far greater towards genuine than the media would have us believe.
The most genuine claimants have no voice and are easy targets for treading on. The scroungers still find a way to scrounge (or steal, or trade illicitly).
By:
sj
When: 12 Oct 14 21:16
The trouble with employing a private company to hit a target which is what the tories done is they couldnt give a to ss who is and who isnt fit
By:
posy
When: 12 Oct 14 21:33
I remember when shortly after Blair was elected the Guardian started advertising hundreds if not thousands of well paid jobs in the public sector the great majority of which were in labour controlled Metropolitan Boroughs.As i'm sure you know a goodly proportion of these jobs were of no real value to anyone other than the recipient and the cost of the public services just mushroomed out of control.As well as reducing the dependency pool public spending needs to be slashed by removing all non essential costs.
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curious-cat
When: 02 Nov 14 19:57
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