any POKER players on here. ?? i thought the court case with phil ivey...

I thought his court case was against a high stakes Casino that refused to pay him after beating them out of Millions playing Craps (Dice) not cards

its a london casino i think, i was just curious to find out how he was supposed to be recognising the cards ?? were they tampered with in any

way ?? i suppose all will be revealed when the case ends.

thanks for the link moonbeam, as i said iam not a player myself, just fascinated to see who won the case.

ive not watched much poker lately, i did enjoy watching the world series games and even remember channel 4 showing games....many years ago.

In his ruling, the judge said that the case turned on whether there was cheating: “If Mr Ivey cheated, he is not entitled to recover his winnings. If he did not, he is.

“What Mr Ivey and Ms Sun did was to persuade the croupier to turn some of the cards in the dealing shoe to permit them to know that they were or were very likely to be sevens, eights or nines, and in circumstances where she did not realise she had done so – and, if she had, would have immediately stopped play.

“The fact that Mr Ivey was genuinely convinced that he did not cheat and that the practice commanded considerable support from others was not determinative of the question of whether it amounted to cheating.

“Mr Ivey had gained himself an advantage and did so by using a croupier as his innocent agent or tool.

“It was not simply taking advantage of error on her part or an anomaly practised by the casino, for which he was not responsible.

“He was doing it in circumstances where he knew that she and her superiors did not know the consequences of what she had done at his instigation.

The judge concluded: “This is, in my view, cheating for the purpose of civil law.”

Dismissing the case, with costs, he said it was immaterial that the casino could have protected itself by simple measures.





I think he just outsmarted an inexperienced croupier & they didn't like it , just shows how ultra sharp Phil is to gain any kind of an edge though !

Macau is where all the High Rollers are playing , but easy picking , doesn't look that way to me , Durrrrrr is suposedly now broke , lol

That's the guy yes King

It's not really so advanced but was sneaky & he knew what he was doing , just remember how much they're playing for & made Negreanu look a right clown

The best was the way he picked off the next guy with 78 , rolled his eyes shook his head & just shippided it ...allin .. guy really cracked me up but was a very good player .. wouldn't fancy playing him & his buddies at cash would you

He was just dying for a re-raise with his AK

He played the 1010 well also imo just flat calling , just unlucky Quoss had K10

then the 78 .. he played well with strong bets you'd just think he's messing half the time

haven't seen the next episode yet .. is it up on youtube

Guys like Durrrrr with 3 bet the entire table with 24 out of position & still take down a huge risky pot

I like Negreanu but still funny to see him made such a fool of , can't play like that & expect to get away with it so easily all the time , He knew his mistake as soon as he'd made it though !

Sorry forget pokertube as you have to register

Here's the link

http://www.pokerstars.tv/channels/2014/10/ept-10-monaco---super-high-roller-episode-2.shtml

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http://www.ibtimes.com/what-edge-sorting-phil-ivey-sued-borgata-casino-allegedly-cheated-win-96-million-baccarat-1571442

The Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa in Atlantic City, N.J., believes the professional card player Phil Ivey used a technique called “edge sorting” to bilk the establishment out of millions of dollars.

In a federal lawsuit filed on Tuesday, the Borgata accuses Ivey and an unnamed accomplice of manipulating a flaw in a certain type of playing card to identify valuable cards in baccarat, the Associated Press reported. According to the lawsuit, Ivey used the method, known as “edge sorting,” to earn $9.6 million during four visits to the casino in 2012.

Gamblers who utilize “edge sorting” do so by observing subtle flaws in the way sets of playing cards -- in this case, cards manufactured by Kansas City-based Gemaco Inc. -- are cut during production. The cards are supposed to be cut so that the pattern on the back is identical, regardless of which way the card faces. The cards used during Ivey’s trips to the Borgata allegedly contained a defect that allows observant players to distinguish baccarat’s “good” cards -- 6, 7, 8 and 9 -- from less valuable cards.

Ivey's lawyer declined on Friday to comment on the lawsuit, the AP said, and Gemaco didn't respond to a request for comment from the news wire service.

The Borgata’s lawsuit outlines the manner in which it claims that Ivey and his companion used “edge sorting” to win money, in direct violation of the casino’s rules. Ivey allegedly instructed the dealer to turn cards in a certain way based on whether or not they were valuable, the AP reported.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQVfVtpSYp4

6% edge, massive.

They were using badly cut cards. Can see why he was willing to go to court over it. Very debatable if it was "cheating" imo

what suprises me most about the Crockfords incident is as follows:

1) they granted Ivey's request to turn selected cards once they had been identified by the players as key cards.
2) they granted Ivey's request to change the deck regularly (until the players found one that was asymmetrical).
3) the casino had no turn in the shuffle (from my understanding a basic counterfoil to the plan).

I know it's not unusual for a new deck to be requested but surely they were suspicious when 1+2 were combined so regularly during a session.

Presumably at some stage someone realised something was up. Were they tipped off or did the casino discover it themselves?

I agree it's their own fault DWE

They didn't pay him initially & told him they'd wire him his winnings , prob standard for that kind of amount but I guess they may of thought something was up , it was all on camera but I'm not sure that'd of been much use at all

exactly, it wasn't like it wasn't out there.

so when someone keep changing a deck until they find one they like, and keeps asking to turn the cards you'd think they might smell a rat.

probably one of these old boys club, scouts honour type private gambling dens for the serial rich. Much like Lord Lucan used to attend.

Crockfords is owned by Genting. They are the majority shareholder in Rank Group. Mecca Bingo, Grosvenor and formerly Blue Square. Not so much of a surprise they dodged paying out!

card suppliers that is/was used by genting swamped by increase in demand for product from Macau.

fair play pokey...full of poo