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No more Drinking Drugs or Gambling ,Osborne is introducing this ,shirley the high street Roulette shops will go skint 
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will become currency of the underclass (NAP)
£10 cards discounted to £8 and bought by loan sharks - even Wonga etc.
Not rocket science ... will all go wrong. What is it with these thick politicos and advisers?
£10 cards discounted to £8 and bought by loan sharks - even Wonga etc.
Not rocket science ... will all go wrong. What is it with these thick politicos and advisers?
Spot on Mem ,the lucky ones will just buy relatives shopping in Exchange for the Cash ,Osborne is a clueless cxnt ,as you say
many will end up being exploited ,also be lost cards card fraud the lot
these people are so out of touch with reality it beggars belief ...
many will end up being exploited ,also be lost cards card fraud the lot
these people are so out of touch with reality it beggars belief ...
Yes. They will have to introduce some very severe penalties for any trader who abuses the system.
How much will it cost to put into operation ,and how much will it cost HMRC in taxes ,cannot see what they are trying to achieve ......
Just headlines for the tories.
Can't be done in reality.
All a bit thick, imo.
Can't be done in reality.
All a bit thick, imo.
My bright idea is when they sign on or whatever happens, give em 3 cabbages and big bag of spuds and 7 sausages.
Wonga won't like that or loan sharks or bookies or drug dealers.
Simples
Wonga won't like that or loan sharks or bookies or drug dealers.
Simples
The scheme will be initially piloted on a voluntary basis and will be targeted on those with addiction problems.
Where there is a will there is a way Smithy.
Where there is a will there is a way Smithy.
lets say 2 million Unemployed ,on average £6 is spent on Alchohol alone ,2 quid of that is taxes so 4 million a week
times 52 , £208 million Gone
times 52 , £208 million Gone
mememe
Something more productive such as areas to grow ones crops and keep ones chickens. Prince Charles could of great influence to the unemployed. Give the big eared freak raison d'etre.
Something more productive such as areas to grow ones crops and keep ones chickens. Prince Charles could of great influence to the unemployed. Give the big eared freak raison d'etre.
voluntary my harris
"Do you agree?"
"Er i would prefer the money"
"You can either volunteer for the pre paid card or volunteer for a sanction"
"er"
"Do you agree?"
"Er i would prefer the money"
"You can either volunteer for the pre paid card or volunteer for a sanction"
"er"
This is food for thought
Overweight or unhealthy people who refuse to attend exercise sessions could have their benefits slashed, in a move proposed by Westminster Council.
Overweight or unhealthy people who refuse to attend exercise sessions could have their benefits slashed, in a move proposed by Westminster Council.
Could be a good way of identifying the unemployed in public when onesies go out of fashion.
... further proposals from george osbourne include penalising gingers, ugly people and anyone that votes labour, should go down a storm in henley
anyone that looks like a ginge harry potter deserves some sanctions
casemoney 29 Sep 14 18:12
No more Drinking Drugs or Gambling ,Osborne is introducing this ,shirley the high street Roulette shops will go skint
Now you know why there are so many evictions every month in the UK.
The govt changed the rules of payment for the DWP.
Housing Benefit is no longer paid to the landlord, it's paid to the tenant, and it's up to him/her to pay the landlord.
There will be a percentage that won't pay, and they will be evicted.
It's just a new way of getting private landlords to turn away unemployed people.
Then they can put the rent up as there is no cap on private rental with no Housing Benefit.
As for those who are evicted, what do the govt care?
They won't be homeless and on the street where those that voted for it live.
No more Drinking Drugs or Gambling ,Osborne is introducing this ,shirley the high street Roulette shops will go skint
Now you know why there are so many evictions every month in the UK.
The govt changed the rules of payment for the DWP.
Housing Benefit is no longer paid to the landlord, it's paid to the tenant, and it's up to him/her to pay the landlord.
There will be a percentage that won't pay, and they will be evicted.
It's just a new way of getting private landlords to turn away unemployed people.
Then they can put the rent up as there is no cap on private rental with no Housing Benefit.
As for those who are evicted, what do the govt care?
They won't be homeless and on the street where those that voted for it live.
My bright idea is when they sign on or whatever happens, give em 3 cabbages and big bag of spuds and 7 sausages.
Wonga won't like that or loan sharks or bookies or drug dealers.
Simples
How is that going to help them get to a job interview which is the purpose of jSA? Return, 3.50 please. Eeeeh can I pay in Tatties?
Wonga won't like that or loan sharks or bookies or drug dealers.
Simples
How is that going to help them get to a job interview which is the purpose of jSA? Return, 3.50 please. Eeeeh can I pay in Tatties?
How this would work in practice is beyond me. You need money in your bank account anyway for things like direct debits (phone bill etc). Would every train station, bus driver, taxi driver etc have the means to take payment from one of these cards? Sounds extremely complicated and unnecessary
That cant and wont happen, how would we no were to spend our money?
no tv and beer made homer go crazy..imagine someone needing a fix/drink might do some damage to one of the tory boys proposing this.
I buy my alot of my food from a local frsh fish van and potatoes and all from a farm, ho do i propose to use this card to do this?
Look it's not going to happen.
Name me one major government IT contract that has gone to time and budget?
It just doesn't happen.
Ian Duncan-Smith trying to justify his existence with a policy wholly unimplementable in any government's lifespan.
Name me one major government IT contract that has gone to time and budget?
It just doesn't happen.
Ian Duncan-Smith trying to justify his existence with a policy wholly unimplementable in any government's lifespan.
They did exceedingly well with the cost of hiring ATOS to get all those on incapacity benefit back to work.
They lost the contract 6 months ago.
Hardly surprising, given the cases like the one on BBC news the other day.
Man had his benefit stopped in 2011.
He booked an appointment for an appeal which took 6 months, but when he turned up for it, it was on the first floor of a building with no lift.
He was in a wheelchair.
ATOS considered his wheelchair a fire hazard, so they refused to see him.
Due to ATOS being ****ns, the backlog in cases was horrendous.
His benefit was reinstated just last week.
FWIW - I read somewhere that ATOS were chosen for his role as they are a French company, and you can't get any info from them under the Freedom Of Information Act.
Whether that's true or not I have no idea.
They lost the contract 6 months ago.
Hardly surprising, given the cases like the one on BBC news the other day.
Man had his benefit stopped in 2011.
He booked an appointment for an appeal which took 6 months, but when he turned up for it, it was on the first floor of a building with no lift.
He was in a wheelchair.
ATOS considered his wheelchair a fire hazard, so they refused to see him.
Due to ATOS being ****ns, the backlog in cases was horrendous.
His benefit was reinstated just last week.
FWIW - I read somewhere that ATOS were chosen for his role as they are a French company, and you can't get any info from them under the Freedom Of Information Act.
Whether that's true or not I have no idea.
They did exceedingly well with the cost of hiring ATOS to get all those on incapacity benefit back to work.
They lost the contract 6 months ago.
Hardly surprising, given the cases like the one on BBC news the other day.
Man had his benefit stopped in 2011.
He booked an appointment for an appeal which took 6 months, but when he turned up for it, it was on the first floor of a building with no lift.
He was in a wheelchair.
ATOS considered his wheelchair a fire hazard, so they refused to see him.
Due to ATOS being ****ns, the backlog in cases was horrendous.
His benefit was reinstated just last week.
FWIW - I read somewhere that ATOS were chosen for his role as they are a French company, and you can't get any info from them under the Freedom Of Information Act.
Whether that's true or not I have no idea.
They lost the contract 6 months ago.
Hardly surprising, given the cases like the one on BBC news the other day.
Man had his benefit stopped in 2011.
He booked an appointment for an appeal which took 6 months, but when he turned up for it, it was on the first floor of a building with no lift.
He was in a wheelchair.
ATOS considered his wheelchair a fire hazard, so they refused to see him.
Due to ATOS being ****ns, the backlog in cases was horrendous.
His benefit was reinstated just last week.
FWIW - I read somewhere that ATOS were chosen for his role as they are a French company, and you can't get any info from them under the Freedom Of Information Act.
Whether that's true or not I have no idea.
What these clowns need to be looking at is the Gross Fraud and Illegal loans that were made that got us into this trouble .
The HMRC have no problems going back years Looking for Unpaid taxes ,It would not be too hard to go back and retrieve Bonus
Payments that were made to people who clearly had very little interest who they were lending money to ,as long as they
reached their hefty bonus targets ,Millions if not Billions could have been clawed back ,But then of course they would be
upsetting the Wrong people ....
As for housing benefit cuts I actually believe they are trying Financial Cleansing of London ,it will become a town where
only the very well off can live ,Rents are Rediculous, as for the Property Prices who in there right mind would
pay £300,000 for a one bedroom Flat
The HMRC have no problems going back years Looking for Unpaid taxes ,It would not be too hard to go back and retrieve Bonus
Payments that were made to people who clearly had very little interest who they were lending money to ,as long as they
reached their hefty bonus targets ,Millions if not Billions could have been clawed back ,But then of course they would be
upsetting the Wrong people ....
As for housing benefit cuts I actually believe they are trying Financial Cleansing of London ,it will become a town where
only the very well off can live ,Rents are Rediculous, as for the Property Prices
who in there right mind would pay £300,000 for a one bedroom Flat
IDS & ATOS in one thread - Two of my favourite topics 
ATOS - I liken them to a call centre. Both merely follow a set list of questions in a zombie like fashion.
I too waited 6 months for my appeal (esa). Nothing but a bunch of ****!
I still have my appeal papers (i'll go get them) that include the original seering ATOS questionaire. Here's a selection:
"Can you lift at least one of your arms high enough to put something in your top pocket?"
"Can you move 50 metres before you need to stop?"
"Can you pick up and move a pink of milk?"
"Can you pick up and move a light object like an empty box?"
"Can you press a button on a telephone keypad?"
"Can you turn the page of a book?"
"Can you pick up a pen/pencil/£1 coin/?"
In my ATOS test i scored zero points in total. 15 points was the target.
The following week i received a letter stating i was no longer entitled to esa.
Did i mention the questionaire arrived in the post when i was in hospital having a back operation?
ATOS - I liken them to a call centre. Both merely follow a set list of questions in a zombie like fashion.
I too waited 6 months for my appeal (esa). Nothing but a bunch of ****!
I still have my appeal papers (i'll go get them) that include the original seering ATOS questionaire. Here's a selection:
"Can you lift at least one of your arms high enough to put something in your top pocket?"
"Can you move 50 metres before you need to stop?"
"Can you pick up and move a pink of milk?"
"Can you pick up and move a light object like an empty box?"
"Can you press a button on a telephone keypad?"
"Can you turn the page of a book?"
"Can you pick up a pen/pencil/£1 coin/?"
In my ATOS test i scored zero points in total. 15 points was the target.
The following week i received a letter stating i was no longer entitled to esa.
Did i mention the questionaire arrived in the post when i was in hospital having a back operation?
who in there right mind would pay £300,000 for a one bedroom Flat Shocked
anybody stoopid enough to pay for it should be made to live in it for a minimum of 5 years , imo
anybody stoopid enough to pay for it should be made to live in it for a minimum of 5 years , imo
this govt is just as bad as the Nazis, seriously and in some ways, even worse because they are actually ATTACKING the most vulnerable members of society and even creating a society where those on any kind of benefit are being regarded as criminals.
Osbourne is immoral, not fit for civilised society, if the tories get in again at the next election the poor may as well all go and kill themselves.
Osbourne is immoral, not fit for civilised society, if the tories get in again at the next election the poor may as well all go and kill themselves.
wife - now been waiting 9 MONTHS for medical from pip - done ON PURPOSE ....no doubt about it, hoping the disabled etc. will get fed up and give up - or even die, they'll then save even more money on top of the saving they've made from the bedroom tax ..stealing from the poor, also strange how, when those who actually DO hear about their medical, its virtually always in awkward, out-of-the way places the disabled struggle to get to. Why is this? what kind of people have we got here who actually want to end all known help for the poorest members of a sick society?
Long termers on the work programme go the job centre, hand in their "drop and go sheet," receive a new sheet and exit - This takes all of 30 seconds. Today i went in and was told to go upstairs to hand in my sheet. I was intrigued as i waited and waited and waited to see someone. I made the most of the wait by jumping on their internet and printed off my CV & cover letter in case things took a turn for the worse. Turns out the dwp are doing away with the paperwork and going digital. (Seems a sensible step in the right direction)? The dwp rep went through my profile, when i asked what she was looking for, she said "checking if there's any sanctions against you." WFT!!!
I will be attending three workshop meetings at the work programme this week. (Me and my big mouth)! My adviser phoned me earlier this evening to see if i could go in tomorrow (for another pointless meeting) as she feels my input would encourage lost souls in the group. That's my reward for being a trappy so & so, though i would happily converse for England.
been a long term plan tony and only the start of things to come ,the establishment have made being unemployed on a par with having a criminal record and this card thing is another way to punish the poor ,a lot of the poor /unemployed /pensioners rely on buying bargain 2nd hand goods from markets and carbootsales etc , how can they trade that fooking card at these places ? just clobbering the poor needy and unfortaunate ! by the way they say that the benefit culture put us into the economic mess not the bankers what a load of shyte ! and where did all those trillions dissapear too ? didn't just dissolve into thin air did it? a lot of rich people got even feckin richer on the back of that !
these cards will end up like b and q on pensioners day, ,
all the offspring outside shoving their parents,grandparents in for 10% off,
,all the offspring outside shoving their parents,grandparents in for 10% off,
average payment for a family to live on £78 per week,MP's food allowance £70 per day....work it out for yourselves.
Sounds like a good idea.
I know plenty of people who'd take the cards off their hands for a premium if they're daft enough to sell them.
Perhaps the government could do similar, offering the full amount on the card, or cash with the premium taken off.
You know what they say '' never give a sucker an even break''
I know plenty of people who'd take the cards off their hands for a premium if they're daft enough to sell them.
Perhaps the government could do similar, offering the full amount on the card, or cash with the premium taken off.
You know what they say '' never give a sucker an even break''
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