Labour in a panic

yeah that's why they are 7 points ahead in the latest polls , because they are in a panic

So would you be if you had Milliband as leader and Balls as Shadow Chncellor.

Labour constantly tell us UKIP take tory votes not labour so sure they will be safe in a labour heartland

yes labour on route to have overall majority and ukip dont have one single mp

Labour will have no chance in the next election and UKIP are on course to start winning seats.

^ one of the most ridiculous statements ever made on this forum

london will lose a few tory seats because of the housing crisis.......

I'll remind you of that Facts.Trust me.

Don't worry, you won't need to. Trust me

UKIP a bunch of cranks - the party of the hotel bar bore. Farage is a clown and his parking his tanks quip told you all you need to know.

We're on the march with Nigel's army.

As long as Labour and the Tories continue to bury their heads in the sand over immigration then UKIP will get stronger and stronger.

Dear oh dear. Love the hatred.

UKIP a bunch of cranks - the party of the hotel bar bore. Farage is a clown and his parking his tanks quip told you all you need to know.

What's wrong with that?

General Election Odds

Most Seats
Labour 4/5
Tory 6/5
Ukip 100/1
Any Other? 200/1
Lib Dems 400/1


Next Government
Labour majority 2/1
Tory majority 7/2
Con-Dem coalition 4/1
Labour-Lib Dem coalition 4/1
Tory minority 5/1
Labour minority 11/2
Any coalition involving Ukip 8/1
Ukip majority 100/1
Lib Dems 250/1

Labour-Tory coalition - No Offers

Labour’s poll rating hits four-year low as party grandees criticise Miliband

YouGov poll puts Labour on 33%, behind Tories at 35%, as Miliband struggles for political momentum after conference speech

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http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/07/labour-poll-rating-four-year-low-miliband

Problem for Cameron will be if Milliband is dumped before Christmas...at the moment labour are unelectable as nobody with more than half a brain can visualise Milliband as prime minister.

It will be a Con/Dem coalition again and that will be the best thing for Britain

Labour would be a backwards step. I'm with Steamship, a Con/Dem coalition is needed to complete the recovery.

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yeah that's why they are 7 points ahead in the latest polls , because they are in a panic


2 points behind.   Time to panic.

  I fancy a bit of 8s on Con/Ukip coalition and Great Britain to become Great again.

If hanging on by 617 votes keeps labour happy I don't know what to think.

Simple for Labour really.  They understand the rise of ukip damages them, but it damages the Conservatives far more.

Conservatives shouldn't bother to put up candidates in labour held northern constituencies... give ukip a free run to pick up tory vote and with defecting labourites they'll win a considerable number of seats.

The real problem with the Labour party at the moment stems from the fall out between Ed and David Miliband.
We'd all be more comfortable with the older brother Steve.

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Face like a melting candle.

It'll be the tories that suffer most by ukip as the liberals will all vote labour and tories will switch in droves in the south,long term even worse news for the tories as well as labour voters will eventually return to the party after the immigration card has frizzled out.Tories must be seething!!

you are presuming the immigration card will fizzle out if labour win in 2015 i suspect it will be sizzling

The ukip part will be a minority part in 5 years time,absolutely knowhere as mentioned below for the time being liberals will switch to labour they have no choice,but eventualy there will be some turning point and the party will become the 3rd party again.This could be 5/6 years away but will happen as will all the labour vote go back,ukip will destroy the tory chances of ever forming a majority government!!

Why should Liberals vote labour? I would rather stick my head in a bucket of vomit.

In 2010 many labour voters switched allegiance to the Liberals in protest at the shambolic labour government but  will now switch back to labour as they have short memories and are reverting to type.They are not true liberals.

It's very simple,liberals are the only real left of centre part left do you think the liberals want to be with the tories this is what has destroyed the part over 20% of voters have strong left wing leanings,that section of society will never be bough by any of the remaining partys.It is plain as night follows daty,that at some point the liberals will have a resurgence and that 20% will want to punish the current part and lean towards labour for at least the foreseeable future..

I am a Liberal voter and you have my view. Obviously I can't speak for others but I would expect most would want enough Liberal MPs to hold the balance of power. Voting Labour is voting for a bunch of proven failures without a credible economic policy.

You must in the minority as most liberals must be thinking along the lines of forming a government with the labour party,the tories have made them a laughing stock being in a coalition a complete embarrassment.Until that coalition is abandoned the liberals have no future,as I said its a certainty at some point the part will see a resurge once they've distanced themselves away from the tories and the immigration vote dies out for ukip..

The policy is to follow the will of the electorate which means that in the event of another hung parliament they will talk to whichever party has the most seats.Your view of the coalition government differs from mine.

Why do you think everyones turned away from the liberal party,they despise the tories and their policyies are the complete opposite it's a complete joke that's why they are getting punished and will be decimated after the next election.It'll be a miracle of there are 2/3 seats left in the liberal party..

Would you have preferred a majority Tory government? Many on here would. Do you think that that anything would have been different or not?
How would a majority labour government in 2015 compare with a coalition government? I wouldn't expect them to be the same.
We will have to wait until May to find out. We don't even know if Labour will win the most seats yet.

Imagine nick clegg the only liberal seat standing,what a laughing stock and you're talking about holding the balance of power strangest thing I've ever heard the liberals vote ukip in the south and they will help labour in the north or at worst for labour labour will gain a significant % in the north which would win them seats.It's quite ironic with ed milliband as leader as well,that labour have never looked in a stronger postion tactically for 10 years..

posy    07 Oct 14 13:12 
Problem for Cameron will be if Milliband is dumped before Christmas...at the moment labour are unelectable as nobody with more than half a brain can visualise Milliband as prime minister.


Mr Blobby looks a more credible choice, the fact this man could actually be the next PM fills me with dread, & I cannot believe Labour supporters actually think he is anything but a hindrance to the party's chances next May.

Foinavon
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Would you have preferred a majority Tory government? Many on here would. Do you think that that anything would have been different or not?
How would a majority labour government in 2015 compare with a coalition government? I wouldn't expect them to be the same.
We will have to wait until May to find out. We don't even know if Labour will win the most seats yet


Many on here would?you think middle aged right wing men are the voice of the country,you couldn't get a more slanted view than on these forums the views on these forums are the minority.A lot of these posters could be football hooligans never mind balding middle aged men with pot bellies that have never seen anyone other than white!Thety are living in the past their views are views from the 70sthe only common running theme is immigration which every party agrees on..

I'm stating a fact and you are agreeing with me.

Let's wait and see what happens next May, I'm off to bed.

Only tories gp to bed early!

Tory? That's enough insults!

Good night giggilo.

Good morning all.

Good Morning Bigmo.

Love the Heywood screen shot you posted yesterday.

YES.Someone posted elsewhere that she's got the face of a bulldog licking the p1ss off a thistle.

Chickens coming home to roost for Miliband. His face was a picture too.

Couldn't agree more.On a serious note we desperately need change.

We don't need a Labour majority that's for sure. Labour supporters still in denial though.

Liberals are dead in the water where there votes go will also affect mays results
They are the dodos of politics.

wheres sib when u need him

What’s the odds of the Conservatives and labour coalition, a desperate bid to remain relevant in changing political landscape. Dave and Ed as man and wife.

If the result was something like
Labour 295
Tory 270
Liberal 20
UKIP 35
Others 30

Would Labour ask UKIP to form an alliance?

Well up until quite recently labour was anti EU, leaving the EU was one of their core policies.
That was before they were infiltrated by the current crop of anti British @rseholes

Jacob Rees-Mogg is one of the brightest of the Conservative back benchers and he is forcefully advocating a deal of some sort with Ukip however the Government are publicly saying that no deal will be done.I think it is very likely that there will be some sort of agreement reached with Farrage whereby the Tories whilst putting up candidates in hitherto safe but vulnerable labour seats will not actively campaign and will even suggest that their prospective voters vote tactically for Ukip.In return expect Farrage not to put up candidates in certain constituencies which whilst inherently Tory could fall to Labour if the Conservative vote were to be diluted by defections to Ukip.
It is inconceivable there wont be a deal as otherwise the back benchers at potential risk could well defect to save their seats.

rats sinking ship

there will be no pact if you form pacts you are part of the establishment,ukip have to be seen to be not getting involved in chicanery or their message of being different is holed below the waterline.
rees mogg will join ukip sooner or later.

I can't find the link but read this morning that Farage doesn't trust a single word that comes out of Cameron's mouth and won't sell out for a few ministerial seats.

correct and surely farage can now feel confident of getting a decent number of mps in their own right ? their support is rising all the time with the arrogance and sheer ineptitude of the main parties

i know fringe parties tend to get squeezed out at general elections and the first past the post system makes it desperately hard but this feels different

Capt__F    12 Oct 14 12:03 
wheres sib when u need him

Vanished after a carol singing bet went wrong.

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Can anyone confirm or deny this is true?


Dogzzz Bwick • an hour ago

Did you know that many of those jobs can ONLY be given to immigrants? That it would be illegal to give them to British citizens? Why? Because the immigrants that have arrived, then use employment agencies in their home nations to arrange short-term contracts for people from those nations which pay the minimum wage of those nations. In the case of Romania, that is £0.90p per hour. That is 100% legal in EU law and is a consequence of the free movement principle of the EU. The contract must be less than 1 year, but can be ended and renewed indefinitely.

The UK minimum wage prevents such employers from legally employing a Brit in those jobs. This is EU law which allows this and neither labour, nor tory have any intention of even acknowledging such a massive hole in our minimum wage law, let alone doing anything about it.

When the building of Canary Wharf started in 1989, Olympia and Yorke (the main contractors) were told by Tower Hamlets Council to give priority to workers based in Tower Hamlets first, Newham second, then from anywhere else.

I was on there for about 8 months before I had an accident and left.

There were over 300 men on site every day.

There were none from Tower Hamlets, about 12 from Newham, a few from sarf of the river, 3 from Essex and the rest were mostly Irish (working for O'Rourkes) and Danish (working for Christiani-Nielsen)

bigmo

That makes for interesting reading. I don't know if it is correct or an urban myth but I can't see any flaw in the logic of the assertion. For example, I'd imagine that if your employer sends you to another EU country to work for him for a brief period you remain his employee under the terms of the contract you've agreed and he's obliged to pay you under the contract which originated in this country.

So it seems reasonable in law to assert that the reverse may also apply.

If true.

Shameful is all I can say.

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Ed Miliband must go, say Labour MPs

Labour MPs say Ed Miliband is costing them votes and must stand down while Gordon Brown's former spin doctor says the 'mood is pretty black'

Ed Miliband has been forced to deny he will resign after facing open calls from his own MPs to stand down amid growing concerns that he will cost his party the General Election.
At least two MPs are understood to have told David Watts, the chairman of the Parliamentary Labour Party, that they believe it is time for Mr Miliband to go.
However, Mr Miliband said: "This is nonsense, I don't accept that this matter arises. I believe that what the party wants to focus on is the country."
One of the MPs told The Telegraph : "We are down to 29 per cent in the polls and that could go down further. He is less popular than Nick Clegg and he will cost us votes at the General Election.
"We are hearing it on the doorstep. People are saying 'you are doing an alright job but we don't like your leader'. He is costing me votes.

Mr Watts has reportedly told the MPs that they are not the first to raise concerns about Mr Miliband's leadership with him, but said that there is no alternative candidate for the leadership. Mr Watts declined to comment when contacted by The Telegraph.
It came as Damian McBride, Gordon Brown's former spin doctor, said that Labour is "whistling in the wind" if it thinks that it can win round voters to "the real Ed".
He told BBC One's Daily Politics: "He can't do much about the fact he comes from Hampstead but he can do something about the fact that he's constantly acting as though life revolves around what goes on in Hampstead and that there's no sense of getting out there and understanding what ordinary people are feeling, including about himself, and trying to address that personal problem he's got."

In an attempt to bolster his position Ed Miliband has appointed Lucy Powell as the vice-chariman of the general election campaign. She previously ran his successful leadership campaign.
She suggested that Mr Miliband would play a more prominent role on the doorstep. She said: "I'm going to unblock the system to make sure that our operation is serving all of those fantastic candidates and our fantastic front bench and Ed as our leader.
"We always need to review these things and make sure that they are working at their very best and I'm absolutely sure that, with some new energy and vigour into the system, we can make sure that all of our candidates, our front bench, our shadow cabinet, are getting the best service that they want."
However Mr McBride said: "They have almost got no choice because they have either got to say he's not going to work and his ratings are going to stay where they are or they have got to say if more people got to know the real Ed, then somehow we'd all be turned around. But I think they may be whistling in the wind."
Asked if he gave credence to claims about a letter being circulated among backbenchers, he replied: "I don't know and it's difficult to know because the paranoia that comes out of the Miliband camp is so rank that they will invent plots even when there are none.
"But I think the mood is pretty black in Labour, and certainly since the conference. Since party conference the mood has got blacker and these are wild times."

Ed Balls, the shadow chancellor, said: "All I know is that everybody in the Labour Party, from Ed Miliband down, is focused on tackling the cost-of-living crisis, building an economy which works for working people, reforming Europe but not walking away, having tough and fair controls on immigration, saving our National Health Service - that's what Labour's for.
"It's the Conservative Party which are riven and divided and defecting left, right and centre. We will focus on Tory division, Labour will stay united."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11213653/Labour-MPs-say-Ed-Miliband-must-go.html

I wonder if the 20s a Labour/SNP with Laddies is worth considering

Ed Miliband fights for his political life amid rumours of Labour backbench coup
   
Ed Miliband was forced to try to head off a move to oust him yesterday by Labour backbenchers who fear the party is heading for defeat at next May's general election.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ed-miliband-fights-for-his-political-life-amid--rumours-of-labour-backbench-revolt-9844525.html

UKIP HITS BACK AT LABOUR NHS CLAIMS


UKIP deputy chairman Suzanne Evans has hit back at Labour shadow health secretary Andy Burnham after he called their NHS policy "opportunistic", in a scathing letter which calls out "Labour's noted failure to improve" health in the UK, and their track record of privatising NHS services.


Evans's letter was in response to Burham writing to Farage, accusing UKIP of desiring to privatise the NHS, and of wanting to make cuts to the service, inviting the party leader to respond to a number of questions about his policies on the health service.
Referring Burnham to Farage's article in today's Independent newspaper in which he says “The Labour Party thinks it owns the NHS. Let’s get that straight. It does so despite having been the party responsible for the privatisation of vast chunks of it”, Evans offers to meet to discuss health policy with Labour.
Taunting the Labour elite for their distance from the normal daily users of the health service, Evans wrote: “I know Labour politicians rarely meet with ordinary people, but I am happy to pass on comments made by the public to me so that you may reflect on their significance. At the same time, perhaps I can elicit an apology from you on your party’s immigration policy circa 2004, which has placed enormous strain on NHS services and more?”.
Nigel Farage wrote directly to Labour leader Ed Miliband yesterday to invite him to go head to head in a debate over Europe, an offer he had already turned down on live television on the Andrew Marr show. Suzanne Evans repeated the offer, calling Miliband “chicken” for his refusal so far.
The letter in full:
Dear Mr Burnham,
Thank you for your tweets today. We are greatly encouraged that the Labour Party is so keen to hear more about UKIP’s NHS recommendations, given Labour’s noted failure to improve the system in the United Kingdom, and especially in Wales.
In response to your letter about UKIP’s policies, I direct you to Mr Farage’s column in the Independent newspaper today. Could you please lay out in full what parts of our stated policy you disagree with, and make clear why Labour privatised the NHS during its terms in office, so much so that it will cost the British taxpayer up to £300bn by the time the Private Finance Initiative agreements have been completed, as reported in The Guardian on 5 July 2012?
If you are unclear on either your or our policies, I am happy to meet with you to explain their implications for the British people in full. I know Labour politicians rarely meet with ordinary people, but I am happy to pass on comments made by the public to me so that you may reflect on their significance. At the same time, perhaps I can elicit an apology from you on your party’s immigration policy circa 2004, which has placed enormous strain on NHS services and more?
With reference to your specific questions, Mr Farage would be delighted to respond to them in full during our proposed head-to-head debate with your party leader, Ed Miliband, this side of Christmas.
So once again, and for the fourth or fifth time now… will Mr Miliband take part, or will he chicken out?
Kind regards,
Suzanne Evans
UKIP Deputy Chairman

"Former Health Secretaries Andy Burnham and Alan Johnson ignored 81 requests for a public inquiry into Mid Staffordshire NHS Trust in the two years after it was first warned of poor NHS care."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9875660/Mid-Staffs-Labour-Government-ignored-MP-requests-for-public-inquiry-into-deaths.html