akabula has a right to vote NO, that`s what democracy is all about.

The ideals of democracy fail somewhat when two wolves and a sheep decide what to have for dinner.

It doesn't sum up the yes campaign strategy at all, it might sum up some people's strategy though.

bodil's comment is loaded with half truths and is absolutely one sided. there are certainly a small element of voters sick and tired of hearing the little england mentality and insisting that the rest of the UK is realistically dependent on England, or that somehow Scotland without oil is an impoverished nation.

I feel the likes of this attitude is worse than any name calling, a layer of pomposity, a layer of misinformation and essentially after probing the point of view there would be a lack of conviction and backbone.

In the event of a no vote, I'd love nothing more than to see England strive for independence and discuss/debate these very same issues, and how the rUK would be denying it "point blank" in regards to a currency union

Akabula, you are going on about not getting EU membership yet want to remain tied to a country that wants out?

I was making the point about him lying also I haven't said what I favour as regards the EU. I'm merely saying that under Salmond we don't know where we stand but under the present government, as you quite rightly pointed out, we do know. Thanks.

The Mighty Mac was a great horse.

I've never mentioned deep-fried Mars bars (I did suggest you feed your farmed salmon with deep-fried fish food).

I am not right-wing.  And left-wing nut-jobs do as much damage if not more.

sofia - you're right, this is invigorating.

Why don't you discuss the serious issues raised on my thread - such as who are the stellar people who will lead you to the promised land.  No one has given me a single example.  I see no outstanding person - I'm sure you can give dozens of examples.  And how, exactly, are you going to stop the pissed-off English/rUK taking their money out of Scottish banks and institutions?  And they will do it quickly. All the UK offices in Scotland can expect 90% reductions in their workforce - just got a premium bond last week,  Goodbye Glasgow.  Actions have consequences - whether you want them or not.  I doubt many shipyard-workers will be voting yes.

Perhaps you could wear him like a kilt?  It's what he would have wanted.

Considering the 'Scottish Banks' are RBS and HBOS, one amalgamated with Lloyds and based in London already, and one 70% owned by the entire United Kingdom, what exactly are you boycotting? Did you think that one through?

You're saying that because Scotland becomes independent, English people will boycott Scottish businesses, because... you want to throw the toys out the pram? I somehow think life will go on without the kind of tantrums you envisage.

ok akabula, why are the Tory establishment in Westminster so DESPERATE for us to remain part of the UK?

The clue is in the NO campaign slogan. BETTER TOGETHER

BETTER FOR IRELAND
BETTER FOR SCOTLAND
BETTER FOR WALES
and, not surprisingly
BETTER FOR ENGLAND.

That's why mac.

My personal view is that Scotland should go, the whole devolution idea has been divisive, it clandestinely set out to seek independence through stealth. Would people in 1998 have voted for full independence? In my opinion no they would not.

Scotland up until 1998 was largely a cultural grouping not a political entity. People in Scotland largely voted for British parties Labour, Liberals and Conservatives. Now Scotland asks, outraged, why do we Scots  have governments they don't vote for? Do the people in greater London with a sizeably greater population than the whole of Scotland ask the same question if the vote goes against them?

When we were, one, nobody in Scotland much asked that question!  Devolution was voted for in 1998 and its momentum towards independence was  surely inevitable. If the nationalists are defeated this time i'm sure the question will return within 10 years.

Many in the provinces in England are minded towards their own devolution this should be resisted by central government in my opinion , just look at Scotland's example it leads to decay and destruction of our unity and once given, power, the need for more and more is unstoppable


England needs to let Scotland go and worry about the forces internally who seek to divide us up.

akabulA
The clue is in the NO campaign slogan. BETTER TOGETHER
BETTER FOR IRELAND

How is a United kingdom of England and Scotland better for Ireland?  As an Irish citizen I am surprised at this claim.

Do you mean you are a Republic of Ireland citizen? I see that as a foreign country and hence feel no need to use Northern as in Northern Ireland when speaking of the Home Nations. I hope that helps.
BTW I never came up with the BETTER TOGETHER slogan, I am merely endorsing it.

TiptheOdds = William Wallace????

Ireland.  After independence they handed over great chunks of the education/children establishment to the Catholic church, who proceeded to abuse/ablate (that's bodilese for starve/ignore/dump the corpses in septic tanks so they wont censor it).  The Irish government legislated against any Irishman who had fought on the side of the British in WW1 and 2.  Want a government job?  Speak Gaelic.  Forget why I posted this.  Hatred of the English somewhere I expect.

Did I mention I love you all?

Que?

STOP!  Before I passed out on the keyboard this morning I jotted down some notes for posting.  "I like the beaver but I love HAT.  Future gygy wine Lefevre.  Pink spiders big time."  Before you vote Yes - think about that seriously.