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Have been watching things develop with increasing anxiety. There's a broad - and increasing - streak of racism through the Nationalist campaign. They try to keep it hidden but it seeps through the seams. Their bully-boys are counter-productive. When in the privacy of the polling booth most will stick it up them. The result wont be close. If nothing else the women will shun them for the wife-beating drunken misogynists that they are. No, only kidding, - apart from the bit about most women voting no.
Rejection is hard to handle. What do you think the English (I should say rUK, as in rest of UK) will do after a yes vote? Any financial institution in Scotland will have to move south because 90% of their business will be here and if they don't move south accounts will be closed en masse until they do. We will take our revenge. Ship building will come back - as soon as they can float hulls will come south for outfitting. You've seen the SNP&green agendas - essentially no Scottish defence forces. What are you left with? Salmon and whiskey. Lidl does great Norwegian salmon (nice and lean - they mustn't give them deep-fried fish food) and I saw a programme on Welsh whiskey last week - no coincidence, with a yes vote they will make a fortune. We will make a fair settlement with the Scots but any UK party who goes beyond will be wiped out.
As for the oil, my latest Petroleum Exploration Society of GB journal points out that only 9 exploration well have been drilled this year - with no great excitement. It's a very, very mature basin.
Watching the debates etc, It seem to me that the main voting block for the SNP are the benefits claimants. Vote for us and we'll give you more money for sweet fa. Tricky. You need high taxes to provide benefits but high taxes will drive away companies. So the SNP say they will encourage companies to Scotland by reducing taxes but they tell the voters they will get more money - presumably from company taxes. Tosspots.
And this austerity nonsense? There has been no austerity - this "hated" government has been spending money like a drunken sailor. We are spectacularly indebted. They've just reduced the rate at which we become more indebted. No nation has recovered from our state with out massive civil disruption. We've been thieving from future generations like amoral gangsters.
Bring it on!
Rejection is hard to handle. What do you think the English (I should say rUK, as in rest of UK) will do after a yes vote? Any financial institution in Scotland will have to move south because 90% of their business will be here and if they don't move south accounts will be closed en masse until they do. We will take our revenge. Ship building will come back - as soon as they can float hulls will come south for outfitting. You've seen the SNP&green agendas - essentially no Scottish defence forces. What are you left with? Salmon and whiskey. Lidl does great Norwegian salmon (nice and lean - they mustn't give them deep-fried fish food) and I saw a programme on Welsh whiskey last week - no coincidence, with a yes vote they will make a fortune. We will make a fair settlement with the Scots but any UK party who goes beyond will be wiped out.
As for the oil, my latest Petroleum Exploration Society of GB journal points out that only 9 exploration well have been drilled this year - with no great excitement. It's a very, very mature basin.
Watching the debates etc, It seem to me that the main voting block for the SNP are the benefits claimants. Vote for us and we'll give you more money for sweet fa. Tricky. You need high taxes to provide benefits but high taxes will drive away companies. So the SNP say they will encourage companies to Scotland by reducing taxes but they tell the voters they will get more money - presumably from company taxes. Tosspots.
And this austerity nonsense? There has been no austerity - this "hated" government has been spending money like a drunken sailor. We are spectacularly indebted. They've just reduced the rate at which we become more indebted. No nation has recovered from our state with out massive civil disruption. We've been thieving from future generations like amoral gangsters.
Bring it on!
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Been reading some of the insane ravings elsewhere on here. My god, I didn't realise dementia had been formalised. The Act of Union was largely a Scottish idea after the disaster of the Darien scheme (some of us old uns on here remember how well that went down). It's not independence - it's divorce - Scotland entered into it willingly. Lets examine recent Scottish ventures - the Scottish Parliament building. 40 million to over 400 million. The Edinburgh trams? RBS HBOS - Scottish banks wasted billions and billions ... And a near majority think this is OK? More drink, more drugs!
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Not all YES voters are Nationalists and to state that the majority of YES voters are benefit claimants is absurd and an insult to the Scottish people.
Without our natural resources, Oil, Gas and Hydro Electric power England can`t survive financially and sustain a nation of 60 million people. Why do you think the Tories, bankers and the elite of London are desperate for us to stay? They need us more than we need them. There is an abundance of Oil and Gas in the Clyde Estuary and off the Shetlands, much more than we have got from the North Sea. Only reason it hasn`t been reached is because the MOD stopped operations because the Yanks need the deep water there for their nuclear submarines based in Faslane. And that`s a FACT. When we turf them out, we`ll start fracking and erecting new Oil wells and we`ll soon become the wealthiest nation in Europe, if not the world. There will be an exodus of people from England heading north to work and live here and they will be made welcome. |
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The No vote is home and hosed anyway
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Just by a nose, mind
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The vote will be **** by MI5 and the CIA. Too much at stake. Don`t be surprised by what goes on in the dark halls of Whitehall.
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*r1gged
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what a sad country Scotland will be if the No vote wins, like a battered wife going home to an abusive husband, because of more threats, promises 'things will be different' and fear they are not able to make their own way in the world
 . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_that_have_gained_independence_from_the_United_Kingdom When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness - That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness |
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Bodil, do you work for the Daily Mail?
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No RichWill, I applied but they said I was too extreme.
My original post has been heavily censored. I thought the comparison with what happened in Ireland was very pertinent. I was a functional chief with one of the oil majors. This talk about big fields waiting to be discovered is nonsense. Most major discoveries are made early in the exploration of any basin. If you can come up with new play types then there's a possibility of new fields. But a very large number of very intelligent geologists have been studying the North Sea for almost 50 years - the subsurface is very well known. The big problem for the North Sea is a coming glut of cheap shale oil and gas - it's a massive game changer and makes most new offshore developments uneconomic. By the way - the first major oil shale industry was based in the Central Valley of Scotland - all those big mounds of ash (I seem to recall bodies being found on them in episodes of both Taggart and Rebus) - that's all that's left now. It's not independence - it's divorce. Scotland was the driving force behind the Act Of Union. And it's ridiculous that 92% of the population of the UK has no say in what happens to their country. Jesus, they really did hack my original post apart. The fact half a million Scots living abroad have no say in the outcome whereas 60,000+ EU nationals do is also outrageous. Maybe more after today's good sport. Don't get me wrong - I love Scotland. As a work-shy alcoholic gambler I feel a natural affinity with the Scots. |
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not even worth replying to such drivel.
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Some good stuff bodil, did you have to spoil it with some vile stereotyping?
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A central case of the independence movement seems to be all this extra imaginary oil everywhere around Scotland just waiting to be drilled. This deranged reasoning does the case for independence great harm because the people aren't that stupid and will wonder what else the yes campaign is bullshiitting about.
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It is up to Scotland to produce anew stereotype, however the way the Yes supporters are
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Why focus on the oil? It's not like every man is equal, but Scots are only equal with oil.
Regardless of the rest of the UK not getting a good vote, you still get a damn good deal, considering that you get to keep all the British institutions and infrastructure. Can Scotland have 10% of the foreign embassies ?  |
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The central case, is self determination and the chance to build a fair just and equal society. hope for a better future
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I like his chances and think the step up to 14 furlongs will suit - at 20s he could be a bit of value
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Nick Luck's each-way charity bet for 25 quid today.
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oh dear, that's pissed on the chips then
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Alias will be dusting down his book of insults before replying to you bodil.
Prepare to be called glaikit, a liar and a simpleton. |
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Taken from Facebook this morning
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Bodil's always good value for money. He seems an intelligent chap.
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I second that emulsion.
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He`s needing to cut down on that Welsh whiskey he was obviously on when he made his opening post.
I know people at the very top in the Oil industry and they assure me that there is Oil and Gas in vast amounts in the Clyde Estuary. The major cover up has also been highlighted in the local and national press: http://www.ayradvertiser.com/news/ayr/articles/2013/10/17/475048-coverup-claims-over-oil/ http://www.sundaypost.com/news-views/scotland/did-mod-block-oil-boom-in-the-firth-of-clyde-1.138569 |
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Why do you think the Tories, bankers and the elite of London are desperate for us to stay?
Because as part of the same nation you and we in the rest of the UK can both benefit from what you have to offer economically, geographically and as individuals. Without you we in the rest of the UK would be diminished. You, on the other hand, would be more than diminished. You'd be suffering a lousy standard of living, small-town corruption and sectarian politics for decades to come. The last thing you want to be in the coming years is a country reliant on the sale of oil or gas for income rather than commerce. The planet is flush with the stuff, and the price is tumbling. Drill more intensively and widely and you'll find yourself in the same mess as Putin. After years of negotiation, India and China have finally agreed to buy Russian gas at a price of just $350 per 1000 m3, which barely covers production costs, never mind offering him and his cronies a profit. Forget about lifting the Russian man in the street out of poverty. On top of that Putin's got to find $50 billion to pay for the infrastructure in the first place. And the final result is that Russia has become a a nation dependent on the goodwill of the commercial giants to its south and east, in the same way Scotland would be if it tried to offer even more oil and gas into this market. My point is that those resources used as part of the wider UK economy allow all of us a fantastic standard of living. But in isolation they lead to the dead end that Russia has become. |
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Scotland won't be reliant on oil to maintain its current standard of living, and I don't see the justification for saying it would be. There isn't a magic wand in England that's granting us our current standard of living. |
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scotland's greatest resource is it people, that is why it will be a success as an independent nation
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brendauk1 - 'scotland's greatest resource is it people' - I think you'll find it's not quite that easy................................
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Scotland has produced great people....in the past, so has England, also in the past.
A country can only be creative if it is set up in a very particular way. It is not yhe people who are naturally talented but the system around them. People may emerge to rival the past but it is unlikely. |
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bodil 13 Sep 14 01:34 Joined: 27 Feb 03 | Topic/replies: 9,352 | Blogger: bodil's blog
Been reading some of the insane ravings elsewhere on here. My god, I didn't realise dementia had been formalised. The Act of Union was largely a Scottish idea after the disaster of the Darien scheme (some of us old uns on here remember how well that went down). It's not independence - it's divorce - Scotland entered into it willingly. Please note: no universal suffrage in those days. The people had no say, either side of the border. Willingly only in that some nouveau skint Lords saw an easy way to recoup their darien losses. Lets examine recent Scottish ventures - the Scottish Parliament building. 40 million to over 400 million. Yes, ludicrous. There is a wonderful building, the old Donaldson's school near Haymarket which was mooted as the Parly building. No idea why not, and it's still empty.The Edinburgh trams? Ah the trams. Don't take my word for it, this is all checkable - the SNP tried to stop the tram folly at council level and then as a minority govt at Holyrood. Both times all other parties combined to push the tram scheme through. By the time the SNP had a majority at Holyrood (2011), it was too late. All minuted. RBS HBOS - Scottish banks wasted billions and billions ... And a near majority think this is OK? More drink, more drugs! Nobody thinks it's ok and I know you know that. BRITISH RBS, HALIFAX BoS, et al, all stuffed with greedy gamblers the like of which would even have made a 1,000 crap bookmakers like John McCririck super rich. |
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akabula 13 Sep 14 15:51 Joined: 13 Mar 08 | Topic/replies: 5,783 | Blogger: akabula's blog
Alias will be dusting down his book of insults before replying to you bodil. Prepare to be called glaikit, a liar and a simpleton Oh you silly chappie. I don't insult you, I disdain and deride you. You're just too daft to know the difference. PS your hun chum breadnbutter brought glaikit into a conversation. I only replied to correct his spelling, pedant that I am. He seems to have trouble with English AND Scots, poor fellow. |
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Scotland won't be reliant on oil to maintain its current standard of living, and I don't see the justification for saying it would be.
It will have to, because commerce will have fled, having been preparing to do so for at least the last six months. From 8 March 2014: Leading Scottish firms are acting ahead of the referendum later this year to move operations out of the country into the rest of the UK, according to an exclusive survey. The poll of 100 businesses with combined sales of more than £15billion and which employ thousands of staff showed that more than a third would consider quitting Scotland, possibly by moving operations elsewhere in the UK or by moving their legal headquarters south of the border. http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2576424/Scottish-firms-prepare-vote-exclusive-poll-reveals-giants-worth-billions-verge-fleeing.html#ixzz3DEC6vD00 With its banks having relocated to England and manufacturing headquartered elsewhere, Scotland will find itself in Russia's situation: dependent on foreign sources of capital to build and maintain oil and gas infrastructure and having to comply with the demands of foreigners to sell the stuff. And this in a buyer's market where even Russia has been held to ransom. |
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In the unlikely event it's a yes vote our children's children's children will never forgive us for the mess they wont be able to clean up. We will not be here to answer to them, however I'm fairly sure the champers will be flowing on the 19th. (in my household anyways)
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Of course businesses will consider moving out of Scotland, but at the moment no one knows what the political landscape will be in an independent Scotland and whether it'd be SNP. Since we haven't heard the manifesto of other parties (for obvious reasons) we simply won't know until that time.
Fair enough, that uncertainty alone and the intermediate time may cause businesses to move South anyway, whatever way you cut it there isn't anything "special" about North or South of the border until the market conditions diverge over time. The only definite thing IMO that can be said is that the rUK market is obviously a bigger market, and on that reason alone a company may want to relocate. There's plenty multi-national companies set up in Ireland due to its favourable corporation tax. Fair enough they are quite good at dodging said taxes but they provide good jobs. That's the kind of thing an independent country can decide for itself. |
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He accuses the Yes Scots of being racists but then persists in using the wrong spelling of whisky. you couldn't make it up!
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erse2: I think Ireland gets away with it precisely because it's NOT an independent country. It's part of a massive free-trade bloc (the EU) and offers a currency backed by Germany. Until the EU and the euro arrived on the scene, independent Ireland had no chance of attracting foreign investment via favourable tax rates. It simply couldn't afford it and made do with a second-class standard of living instead.
It's a paradox that the more independent a country is in a globalized world, the more it seems forced to accede to the demands of foreigners to attract investment and prosper. |
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Maybe Scotland could put corporate rate tax down to the same level as Ireland? Not really a second class standard of living in Ireland at all as you are saying,no "iceland" there,seems to me the rest of the UK are very worried in case they leave in case it interferes with their own standard of living.
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Independent Scotland will be neither a member of the EU nor have the euro, a currency backed by German wealth. It won't have the scope to reduce corporation tax or any other tax. It will be more concerned with increasing taxes as it tries to earn the British pounds to pay the newly elevated interest rates on its debts
It will be in the same position Ireland was in before it adopted the euro. Hamstrung by a soft currency pegged to the British pound Ireland suffered decades of lousy living standards and being dictated to by its foreign customers. |
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walofs sh!te ireland economic growth aka celtic tiger started long before the euro. Its start usually seen as a result of its low corporation tax regime
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