How much profit is allowed before bookies ban you?

Kenny complaining that he couldn't get more than £8 on Aroseforoscar. Eight pounds?! Luxury!

Bet356:
Aroseforoscar @  25/1
£1.20  Single    19/01/2015 14:37:25    1.20    31.20

Ans 80p at 25s with Slybet. And I have to give my mate £2 out of the score I won there for the use of his bank account.

ha ha, great minds. Crybet are useless. Sp bet allow me to win £200 per bet and are giving me a decent crack of the whip 7th time round, to be fair. Had the account 4 months.

Wish I had half a dozen friends and relatives.

That's over 10 years,screaming. Not sure where the next friend's coming from.

I suppose it's just possible that we're trying to cultivate friends for the wrong reason.

From: alweather
To: "masonn@btconnect.com"

From: alweather
To: "masonn "siddor
Sent: Sunday, 18 January 2015, 16:31
Subject: winter aw picks

EW lucky 63s

Mukaynis 14/1 365

Lineman 12/1 365

Poor duke 7/1 365

Stanlow 9/2 365

Persona grata 11/10 lads 10/11 365

Dana's present 7/1 365

Almost a nice touch on multi as well cracking card today..

10/1 & 7/1 one more makes a nice bet.

Are you playing tomorrow, fancy a couple but looking for something at a double figure price as Southwell has become hard for quite a few meetings now.

Great minds think alike Kenny.

GB / Extr 19th Jan / 15:50 2m7f Hcap Hrd     Aroseforoscar     Back     45416755729     19-Jan-15
14:00           C     30     12.36           30     358.44    
   

GB / Extr 19th Jan / 15:50 2m7f Hcap Hrd
(RF Bredon Hill Lad 9.76%)     Aroseforoscar     Back     45415077478     19-Jan-15
12:50           C     28.88     5.00           28.88     139.40


  That was all the money I could get on at that time (wanted to put another £10 on), then went out in the garden for an hour,   came back in hoping there would more available at 30's  but it had dropped below 20 which was to short for me.

Ironically enough I did another as well 5 places without mykanis in it and that returned 391 for 126 that one returned 590 I think,was a good card today for a Monday afternoon probably the best meeting all week.I don't like anything at swell as a bet but It will be interesting to see if general tufto can repeat its last two runs as looks poorly handicapped but the time looked quite good and the gosden horse deuce again won in very slow time been given a high mark for handicap but looked 20ls better than the form.I can't back them at those prices but those two are the horses on the clock and visually are most interesting on the card and also bedloes island Mcabe picked it up two seasons ago looked like improving on surface at 8 but he's got rid of it now hasn't run well and is with balding running in seller.

Blimey, well done Make my hay. So that's 3 of us that were on that.The forum is very shrood.

Good luck guys if you play tomorrow

Lingfield 3.45

Le rouquin won by 6ls in extremely fast tume for the grade at Kempton,ran 1m38.23 and still only runs off 59 tomorrow due to go up another 8 pound quite interesting that last night greatest journey won off 89 in the 3yr old handicap over that c/d at Kempton and clocked 1m38.36 a 30 pound difference showing how decent le rouquins time was.He looks like being very short if he repeats that form he could go off odds on,danger probably the Prescott horse vejvois might be worth doing a reverse saver just incase spencer overdoes waiting tactics as jockey looks the biggest danger in the race!Nice trade for anyone betting that way,expect the prices to crash and an sp of even as short as 4/6 4/7 wouldn't surprise me...

Le rouquin 2/1 365



2/1 lads very surprised by books thought this would open 6/4 tops..


9/4 betfairsportsbook!!!

Bet of the year sp 8/13 smack bang in the middle!!!!

Nice win there, and a great SP prediction.

Avoid the shorties as are rarely value,but when you see something at 2/1 that should be odds on it leaves you lots of options and betting opportunities especially when they will get that heavily backed,kennyman would be having orgasms on these bets!!

Where you been 11 days is a long time to go without a winner

Had a monster period of winners,only bet put on the site since last 2 winners if there's loads of decent looking bets don't get chance to put anything on there so that's 3/3 picks that have won back to back.Been unreal December and January,best I can remember in 16 years of betting...

Sometimes less is good.

It wouldn't be if I'd put up every bet I'd had over the last 2  months,mid way through the aw season now so lots more to do and less chance of me putting things on the site..

Don't worry about it, main priority is looking after number one.

Sites getting a fair few posters now so as long as it's doing ok I will just put something on there when I get a bit of time,sons been really unwell with asthma attacks which has taken us two weeks to get under control...

Wish him a speedy recovery Gigs

I see Munsarim was on your to follow list Gigs but your write up was quite pessimistic, got 12's & 10's myself, I suspect you had something on it.

From: alweather
To: Nick siddor
Sent: Sunday, 1 February 2015, 16:32
Subject: Re: winter aw picks


2 xew lucky 15s will do them again if bigger...



Starlight symphony 10/1 365 12/1 lads

Munsarim 12/1 365

Certification

Shadt of light 11/2 365/Rat catcher 11/2 365

Think I was probably the first person in the country to be on,as said when there's lots of bets especially multiples I won't be highlighting prices as trying to get prices to hold up..Very close to another monster touch..did these multiples several times with bigger prices as well...

Those to follows are put up by colin he did the write ups mine are on my to follows..

I could make a fortune if I could get my bets on. With respect giggilo, you've got an army of people to put on for you.

Is it three weeks since anyone backed a winner
I See one of Gigs has been pummelled at tonight's meeting, we may see him later if it wins

I popped in Baldies after work and they had it at 3/1, I haven't backed it so I'm sure it'll romp home.

I'd like to see him put a rag up one day just to see how much the price shortens.

I read up the race on Tues morning & cut it down to three Inka Surprise was one of them & I had a win bet at 6/1 but have backed Supersta ew at 20/1

Back to the drawing board

You can't win 'em all!

Too true Kenbo
I noticed Kenny napped the 11/2 winner in the 8.15 last night

You can't win 'em all!

Aren't you familiar with zippy from HR? What he makes in a week would make a Premier League footballer blush.

giggles wrote 14 selections  had 2 winners at 5/2 twice and an afters f/c and says he has a good day   how the fook

Lovely 4k touch on stratford placepot,first bet on nh in 10 years love Cheltenham week with all the lemming money about!!

Gigs that's a classic aftertiming post after a five week sabbatical

No aw today put placepots on puntersmate did an hours nh form,nice to see I havn't lost it on the jumps either.been winners coming out of my ears on the aw havn't had time to post far to many picks.Think thats 4th post in last month,bar Saturdays bonanza..Hopefully the Cheltenham lemmings will pump up the placepot pools this week on the aw as well...

Giggsy - you're not Donie Brophy or Russ Reeve by any chance?

From: alweather
To: Nick siddor
Sent: Tuesday, 10 March 2015, 17:12
Subject: Re: winter aw picks

ew lucky 31s will do again if bigger

Tizlove regardless 8/1 365 12/1 lads     /Dalmerella dancer 9/1 365 Blazeofenchantment 12/1 365


Two moons  8/1 365

Spowarticus 11/4 365

Aledaid 8/13 betfairsportsbook

Desert strike  12/1 365 /For ayman 13/2 betfairsportsbook 7/1 365


Cost me around 70k Blazeofenchantment going to be a while before I get any multioples on after today,nice little fcast in the last as well... the clock never lies!!

Be a while before getting that close again don't know how they price these races up absolutely clueless.no accounts tomorrow Alan..

well done with your stratford placeepot, your saturday wolves bets  15  picks  3 winners   6/1  3/1  2/1  and you say you had a great day , how ? , you also must do f/cs and tricasts each race cos when they come up you say you done them so how many more bets is that also no mention of the 1000s perm placepots you did that lost, we all loose some days buddy

Everything I've put on that site is showing massive profits and that's a very tiny % of anything i do when i've got some spare time,the placepots must be winning 15k+.I am not ''we'' I've been betting like this for 16 years winning on average 300-400k a year betting over a plethora of bets as below the lucky 31s today a length away from 100k touch.I know which races to bet in heavy on the aw based on times that are good and bad and when to play fcasts based on those times,they are bets i rarely do unless times stand out.

16 year average winnings 3 to 4 100k
what is ur betting bank now
10 million ?
where do u get ur bets on ?
why are u wasting time biggin up on here ?

He was asked that weeks ago.

Been on betfair 10 years,all I'm doing is replying to idiots i know from previous encounters who you wouldn't know about that have followed me round various forums on the net for years...

18:45 WOLVERHAMPTON (A.W.), 10 MAR 2015
7f 32y

Ladbrokes Handicap (Class 4) (4YO plus)
Winner £5,175 - 10 ran Standard
Pos Dist. Silk Cloth / Horse Name (Draw) SP Age / Wt Jockey / Trainer OR
1
White, dark blue disc, white sleeves, dark blue spots 3. CLAIM THE ROSES (USA) (4)ATR Tracker 5/1 JFav 4 9 - 5h
P Cosgrave
E F Vaughan
83
held up, headway towards inside chasing leaders over 1f out, led inside final furlong, ran on, ridden out
2
¾ Emerald green, black disc, hooped sleeves, black cap 11. THATABOY (IRE) (7)ATR Tracker 6/1 4 8 - 11
R Kingscote
Tom Dascombe
75
held up, headway on inside over 1f out, chased winner well inside final furlong, stayed on
3
1 White, emerald green spots, red cap 2. LIGHT FROM MARS (9)ATR Tracker 9/1 10 9 - 7p
Graham Gibbons
R Harris
85
held up, headway and switched right over 1f out, stayed on inside final furlong, went 3rd towards finish
4
¾ Black, white chevrons on sleeves, white cap 9. FAB LOLLY (IRE) (5)ATR Tracker 5/1 JFav 5 8 - 13p
J Fanning
J D Bethell
77
raced keenly, chased leaders, going well 2f out, 2nd over 1f out, every chance inside final furlong, no extra in 4th towards finish
5
nk Dark blue and pink diamonds, pink sleeves, dark blue stars, dark blue cap, pink diamond 4. ZUGZWANG (IRE) (8)ATR Tracker 7/1 4 9 - 5
F Tylicki
E De Giles
83
held up towards rear, headway over 1f out, not clear run and switched left inside final furlong, ran on, not reach leaders
6
¾ Brown, pink cross belts, chevrons on sleeves, pink cap 8. POWERFUL PRESENCE (IRE) (2)ATR Tracker 33/1 9 9 - 0v
D Tudhope
D O'Meara
78
raced keenly, led briefly, chased leader, pushed along over 2f out, ridden to challenge over 1f out, no extra well inside final furlong
7
nk White, mauve hoop 5. OEIL DE TIGRE (FR) (12)ATR Tracker 10/1 4 9 - 2
L Morris
A W Carroll
80
raced keenly, soon led, ridden over 1f out, headed inside final furlong, no extra
8
½ Brown, white stripe, halved sleeves, white cap, brown diamond 10. KINGSCROFT (IRE) (6)ATR Tracker 18/1 7 8 - 12
P Mulrennan
M Herrington
76
took keen hold, held up in mid-division, headway over 1f out, not clear run approaching and inside final furlong, eased, not recover
9
nk Black, red disc, hooped sleeves, white cap 1. QUIET WARRIOR (IRE) (11)ATR Tracker 15/2 4 9 - 4
Daniel Muscutt (3)
M Botti
85
took keen hold in mid-division, pushed along and outpaced 2f out, headway on outside under pressure over 1f out, stayed on same pace inside final furlong
10
4½ Grey, royal blue star and star on cap 6. TWIN POINT (10)ATR Tracker 16/1 4 8 - 12
Jacob Butterfield (3)
M Herrington
79
chased leaders on outside, weakened over 1f out

Red and black (quartered), hooped sleeves 7. FAVOURITE TREAT (USA) (1)ATR Tracker Withdrawn 78


Emerald green, orange sash, white sleeves, emerald green and orange quartered cap 12. WOODBRIDGE (3)ATR Tracker Non Runner 71

Off Time:18:46:56
Winning Time:1m 27.53s


Kingscroft

Bit of a veteran now kingscroft and now with Michael herrington,should've won at wolves over a mile back in October off 80 given a poor ride is not as good as he once was but still runs consistently well around the high 70s won on the flat last season off 72 but was placed off 80 several times and then the run behind almanack at wolves as mentioned above.
His aw form is at  this track is 3/11 and 5 other places,has already proven he likes the new tapeta surface and tonight was hacking up in this race but got no run throughout final furlong,surprisingly travelling best  as has looked better over a mile in recent times and they didn't go that quick in this race only .44 quicker than earlier race won by poppy bond although the 1st and 2nd in that race were probably decent for the grade.
He was hacking up for the last furlong of this race and again he may get another drop in weights,currently off 76 and a return to this surface with trainer not appearing to be in greatest of form he should be overpriced,if he gets a pound drop he will be off 75 and will be able to run off his lowest mark since march 2011 when he won here over the 7fs..

Will put a few of these up to keep the racing interest..

Southwell (AW) Result
10 Mar 2015
« 5:05 » CORAL.CO.UK HANDICAP
(Class 5) (0-75, 4yo+) 1m4f Standard
£3,234.50, £962.50, £481.00, £240.50


« 1 6 Tacticus (USA) 2/1F 4 9-4 p Lady Cecil 74 * *
Martin Harley


« 2 3 9 Royal Peculiar 11/2 7 9-7 p Michael Appleby 75 * *
Andrew Mullen


« 3 7 6 Caged Lightning (IRE) 50/1 5 8-13 p Steve Gollings 67 * *
Jimmy Quinn


« 4 1 3 Le Deluge (FR) 9/4 5 8-7 t Heather Dalton 66 * *
Shirley Teasdale5


« 5 4 10 Carlanda (FR) 11/2 5 8-11 h Michael Appleby 70 * *
Alistair Rawlinson5


« 6 2 5 Cascadia (IRE) 16/1 4 7-12extra weight6over weight3 p Alison Hutchinson 61 * *
Aaron Jones7


« 7 5 69 Steuben (GER) 11/1 9 9-3 p Des Donovan 71 * *
Shane Kelly


7 ran TIME 2m 36.91s (slow by 1.91s)

Tacitus

Nice performance by 74 rated colt with just 6 lifetime runs,did not look particularly well handicapped from turf and poly form but this looked a really poor race,he looks a very interesting runner to me winning by 9ls could've been nearer 20 and still produced a respectable time in a canter.
The most interesting thing is he looks purely dirt horse,sire ap indy top class sire out of seattle slew on dirt and what Julie cecil does with this horse in future presume he will come back to swell and he maybe one of those rare horses that progresses so much he might be seen abroad in future.He's going to take a big hike for this and it maybe his future lies over further,the fact ap indy has such good progeny on dirt but in Europe very poor on turf majkes the placing even more interesting...

Wolverhampton (AW) Result
27 Feb 2015
« 7:45 CORAL.CO.UK HANDICAP (TAPETA)
(Class 2) (0-100, 4yo+) (1m4f50y) 1m4f Standard
£11,971.90, £3,583.40, £1,791.70, £896.80, £446.50


HORSE/SP AGE WGT TRAINER/JOCKEY OR TS RPR

« 1 5 Dream Child (IRE) 11/10F 4 9-3 Charlie Appleby 94 * *
Adam Kirby


« 2 6 1½ Kings Bayonet 15/2 8 8-10 Alan King 84 * *
Hayley Turner


« 3 4 6 Luv U Whatever 3/1 5 9-7 Michael Appleby 95 * *
Liam Jones


« 4 1 3 Noble Gift 13/2 5 9-3 William Knight 91 * *
Graham Lee


« 5 2 2¾ Cullentry Royal 12/1 7 9-0 J F Levins 88 * *
Graham Gibbons


« 6 3 2 Bute Hall 28/1 6 8-7 David Thompson 81 * *
Jimmy Quinn


6 ran TIME 2m 35.05s (fast by 0.25s)

Dream child
Kings bayonet

Think this was fastest 1m4f race run at wolves this season if not was the best race run there this sesson dream child absolutely hacking up in a very fast time totally different class to these and also .15 quicker than gold trail from the same stable on the 15th of feb winning off 96 so comparatively dream child could be the best 1m4f horse on the aw that has been seen.
Before this race stamina hadn't been proven but tonight looked far better horse over this distance and looks worth backing for the big aw end of season prizes,kings bayonet could be argued holds formdown slightly but although 8yr old he's only had 6 runs on the aw on this evidence a mark of 84 looks very generous,it looks about pace for him a decent pace the better his rating will look..Gold trail had beaten luv u whatever a nk o the 15th was 6ls behind these two tonight so looks very strong form,might be worth looking at aw finals for dream child over this trip and early prices!!

nice sidestep  are you an mp

Problem with some of these so called tracker horses is they are bought up when they win but it can often be five or so runs since they were originally tracked, I do seem to have a knack of backing a horse that often wins the next time it runs, tonight Snow Dancer won, I really fancied it back in Nov it came third & this was the seventh time of asking since  before it got its head in front, don't feel like I missed it because if I had backed it in its last five races I would probably have just got my money back, nothing wrong with having horses to follow but so many its certainly not a gravy train to find winners.

exactley pumpy giggles never mentions any of his until they win, then he says unbelivable price had bundles on it , it may also have run 7or8 times before it wins at 5/1   his placepot perms would have come to £1300 ,and returned nowt ,this happens regular with no mention he,s madder than black adder

Grimsters all the bets are there fot everyone to see I've put up two placepots in 3 months one lost over a grand the other won 4500 and in total they are winning 15k,bets put up since November +91 points and at sp 77,why you bother trying to disprove something when its there in black and white.You and the goons are wasting your time half of betfair know my results all you're dong is making yiourself look an idiot who is absolutely clueless,you tools have been following me round for 4/5 years with your bitterness and jealousy hoping I might throw you a few crumbs I've been toying with you on that site and you can't even see it you numbskulls.
As for to follows pumphol they are just an added extra,there have been a shedload of winners on there recently,most of them I havn't even mentioned as I've wanted them to drift which they have when I havnm't highlighted them so there's been some nice drifters as well following day..I also have missed a load of winners off there,they are alsonot necessarily to follows they are highlighting maybe specioal etc like for grade which should be kept track of on a permanent basis if those times are completely out of loine with handicap marks.

I don't  actually have an axe to grind with Gigs, his over the top approach to winners is not something I would do, yes its nice to pick big price horses when they win & get appreciation from anyone that may have backed it, he does like to big it up large & he says its to wind up others that have an axe to grind so I'm not going to take him to task,  I have been betting over 40 years now & some make  money out of the game but most don't.
Games harder than ever even getting on is a trial in itself, so even if you were a genius at picking winners getting any serious money down before prices are raped is next to impossible though in my opinion, overnight prices are gone before a three figure sum is matched on it in my opinion, plus if your successful your  usually toast when it comes to accounts being restricted

not douting you have winning days but you never admit loosing days as i said tother day  15 picks  3 winners  6/1  3/1  2/1 and an aftertimed f/c and tricast  1300 quid lose on placepots and you said you had a winning day, please explain this

To: Nick siddor
Sent: Thursday, 12 March 2015, 20:52
Subject: Re: winter aw picks

2 xew lucky 15s

One last dream 2/1 betfairsportsbook/365

Snow dancer 3/1 betfairsportsbook/365 10/30 skybet 6/1

Anniversaire 8/1 betfairsportsbook    /Smugglers point 13/2 betfairsportsbook 7/1 ppower

Indian affair 7/1 365 15/2 skybet

You mean this snowdancer pumpbest speedfigure in race only 2 runs over the trip,almost another nice touch..

they are not bets they are emails which are easily doctored or you could have typed out loads of combinations if you were devious

Grimsters
     13 Mar 15 20:28   

not douting you have winning days but you never admit loosing days as i said tother day  15 picks  3 winners  6/1  3/1  2/1 and an aftertimed f/c and tricast  1300 quid lose on placepots and you said you had a winning day, please explain this


This is the last time I'm going to reply to your drivel,that day I did a preview there were 4 winners not three infact I had small bets on the three other winners,if you read the write up it says I could see the first three fighting out the finish.On form and times they were clear of that fied,i backed them all ew all placed winner 6/1 the fcast paid £26 and had the trifecta 15x paid £88 plus I had two other ews at 12s placed and a fcast,the first race had put me in profit even if I didn't have another winner!!The write up was self explanatory as the rest of the card was poor value even though styill made profit on it,you read the rest of the card I never gave a postitve preview on any other race bar the first it was basically just filling the write up baeed on first race.

Grimsters
     13 Mar 15 20:28   

not douting you have winning days but you never admit loosing days as i said tother day  15 picks  3 winners  6/1  3/1  2/1 and an aftertimed f/c and tricast  1300 quid lose on placepots and you said you had a winning day, please explain this


This is the last time I'm going to reply to your drivel,that day I did a preview there were 4 winners not three infact I had small bets on the three other winners,if you read the write up it says I could see the first three fighting out the finish.On form and times they were clear of that fied,i backed them all ew all placed winner 6/1 the fcast paid £26 and had the trifecta 15x paid £88 plus I had two other ews at 12s placed and a fcast,the first race had put me in profit even if I didn't have another winner!!The write up was self explanatory as the rest of the card was poor value even though styill made profit on it,you read the rest of the card I never gave a postitve preview on any other race bar the first it was basically just filling the write up baeed on first race.

still no mention of the 1300 lose on placepots and losses on other f/c and tricasts as i say we all have loosing days   no point pulling you upis it , you wont be criticised a bad trait imo

and emails posted to who knows are not bets anyone can type them out in loads of combis

And if you goons think you're going to get on the placepots dream on,i don't post them on there for your benefit quite the opposite thus the 4.5k win at atratford.Do you really think I'd put placepots on there if I thought there was the remotest chance I'd lose and don't think I don't know who fatmac is either gawd you lads are easy..

what sort of idiot lays out £1300 on a meeting he says he doesent fancy much only YOU  any mug can do 20,000 lines for 5p and kop one now and then

Stop seething and get back with the rest of the goons,where are they by the way sitting on puntersmate waiting for me to post LMFAO!!Lot of isps from whitley bay apparently..what a bunch of half witted tools you lot are.

i noticed even puntersmaters didnt comment on your f/cs and tricast bollix or ppot disaster  tother week there to polite get over yourself everyone knows you aftertme like no other ,goodnight im of out, some of us have got a social life

Blimey Gigs you almost sound bitter for some reason


Just want to take you to task on this


thegiggilo    13 Mar 15 20:37 

You mean this snowdancer pump best speedfigure in race only 2 runs over the trip,almost another nice touch..

The horse has actually raced 4 times over C & D not twice & best place was 4th, was actually on it the first time it ran over C & D  I think I got 33/1 & ran a respectable 4th it finally wins eleven races later I had backed it just the once since then & today  was its first win in 36 races, my guess is its been the best speedfigure in more than just today's AW  race

Backed it at 6/1 pumph,i'd be surprised of the rest of them will ever win a race thought it had only had the two c/d runs the previous run was fsstest by some way compasred to the rest of the field over that trip,was the only backable horse in the race.If Philip prince hadn't given the firs one such a poor ride that would've won as well franking the form,its all about prices probably the only time it will ever be a bet was when it drifted to 6/1...

Agree with you about prices, I read the form before I get influenced by the betting, I know the type of horse I am looking for in the race I am studying, often  when I expect a double figure price & see its forecast to be around say 5/1 so I wont get involved, that's not to say I don't back 5/1 shots but fully expect those to be to the fore in the betting.
Had a stinker of a cold this week so have not got my head around it but a couple of potential races at Wolver tomorrow night so going to take a look.

If you really wanted to improve your profits,the way to do it is study times and learn to adjust them at the weights if you could take time to learn it you'd increase your returns 10 fold you'd also cut out a lot of losing bets as you'd know how slow some are relative to ratings even though you may think they are big prices.
I take every race on the aw and write all best or put their last 3/4 runs down trying to get an average times by each runner when doing the form,then taking into account draws pace look at prices,cracking example was tonight you see the bet I did anniversaire 8/1 and smugglers point 8/1 had the best times in race and beating of fav 1,2 not by much but 4x the price.The fcast paid £47 had it to a few quid but those 3 were clear of the field that was just one example tonight,the hodges runner in the first and snow dancer similarly plus indian affair with tsarglas kicking myself didn't back the pair in the last now or at least in multiple.

I suspect you have a lot more patience than me but may sort out a couple of races next week & try it just to see how it goes.

The thing about aw horses if they can produce a decent time,they invariably will do it again 90% of the to follows I note are based on times so I know if they reproduce that run they will win.Thats the point of keeping them noted,as they may run on wrong surface,wrong trip I've had to follows that i've had to wait a year for ideal conditions,lots of them are avoidable because of prices its just like having a better formbook to hand.Pehaps a lot of them will never be value but at least I know what they are capable of doing and you can have horses that tell you they have a stone in hand just based on a time.There's been loads on the to follows winjing lately I've only backed the ones that have drifted,thus no bets on puntersmate as a lot of them opened short,i have virtually stopped posting on forums again now anyway.

Your horses get cut to shreds on there win or lose

I post on there but not that often but someone who posts on the betfair forum took exception because I posted under another name, he thought that was so out of order he trolls me over here now

Everyone's following them not just that they are on another forum that gets huge viewing figures and the thread I have on there is purely my to follow horses I add on so the prices crash straight away,the other forum I post on has trainers,owners,spotlight writers,timform employees and a lot of books reps on there traders etc.I'm stupid for posting them on there really,one of the traders works for powers,he said to me its as though I'm forming the markets and asks me what the ricks are for the following day via email,don't know if you've noticed but ppower are taking a long time to price up races noawadays as well.Like I said a lot of them I don't back because of prices just too short,my asvice would be for anyone following them is just put them in multiples iof prices l;ook a bit short especially the recent editions at least if they all win they won't be wasted..

Typical bookies using others to create a book as they are totally clueless, it does happen I know that for a fact going back years ago from spread betting.

Pumphol I don't know if you were around when that goon onthefence was around and all the vile crap he was putting around about the poop deck,well basically grimsters and other loons are the off cuts of thiose ****s,they follow me everywhere thus the wind up..This is how pathetic they are,i got a pm from john Mc craken on here telling me onthefence was going posting on the other forum I'm on trying to call me a rraud etc,absolute scum of the earth these people unfortunately for thenm the rest of the forum I mentioned had been winning fortunes off the bets I was putting up.He's on puntersmate now and with a few of the rest of the loons,loads pcs from whitley bay looking in and same on other forum I was on.How desperate are these idiots just to see what I'm posting,i've playing with them since I knew..

I have no problem with Banter, or taking people to task over things like aftertiming etc but when it gets personal or is just plain trolling for the sake of it then its got out of hand.

They used to taunt me about my heart condition,they accused me of losing peoples jobs in bookies,putting people away on horses I even got a threatening text interesting where they got my phone number from,a couple of them even fooled me into emailing them some picks for around two years at the same time as doing all this other stuff on here until I pieced it together.And all because they couldn't get my picks,absolute scum of the earth although now they have been
exposed as frauds and liars you hardly see them or even hear from them anymore skulking away with embarrassment.
I drag them out on these forums just by simply posting a few placepots as I know they want to be on them,so easy to spot them especially as I make sure they're only on there 5 mins before the off..

Taunting someone about ill health is nothing short of disgusting, you really should not put yourself through it to be honest, you don't need the grief & if you thought about it you don't need the attention if its bringing you a load more grief.

But in the end I single handedly made them look stupid,they won't even show themselves plus I was already on those forums then I realized they'd joined up it stopped me putting bets up unfortunately, just annoyed me so much knowing they would be betting them couldn't bring myself to do it.
The bloke off the one forum told me that 8 new addys had been set up from onthefences isp in one week and he had to keep deleting him,absolute looney tunes but every little wind up I get in is sweet little fish...

They are lucky I don't know who they are,as they'd get a right hammering if I did..

Personally I would not want the grief !
Anyway I need some kip, be lucky Gigs.

Goodnight fella.

Sent you a pm fella..

Wolverhampton (AW) Result
30 Jan 2015
« 7:15 DAILY PRICE BOOSTS AT UNIBET HANDICAP (TAPETA)
(Class 5) (0-75, 4yo+) (5f20y) 5f Standard
£2,975.74, £885.50, £442.52, £221.26


« 1 2 Pensax Lad (IRE) 7/2J 4 9-7 Ronald Harris 75 * *
Ben Curtis


« 2 4 4 Arctic Lynx (IRE) 11/2 8 9-0 p Conor Dore 68 * *
Hayley Turner


« 3 7 nk Lady Ibrox 10/1 5 9-5 t Alan Brown 73 * *
Dale Swift


« 4 5 ½ Black Dave (IRE) 9/2 5 8-9 David Evans 63 * *
J F Egan


« 5 6 3¼ Captain Whoosh (IRE) 7/2J 4 9-2 John Quinn 70 * *
Joe Fanning


« 6 8 1 Scoreline 12/1 4 8-10 David O'Meara 71 * *
Josh Doyle7


« 7 3 ½ Rise To Glory (IRE) 28/1 7 8-5 Shaun Harris 66 * *
Kevin Lundie7


« 8 1 2 Lucy Parsons (IRE) 6/1 4 9-5 David Barron 73 * *
Graham Gibbons



Pensax lad

Wold be hard not to be impressed with pensax lad,4l winner tonight but looked even better than that win very impressive visually probably out of these class 5s this season the only sprinter I've seen that may go on to better things,hardly anything makes all at wolves and although this race was weak for the grade he did look completely different class.
The fact he is so versatile looks natural from the front and won off the pace at lingfield last time out and equally looked as good on both surfaces has even won at swell previously as well,he was eyecatcher penultimate run when badly hampered and has won twice since,he's going to get a big hike after this around the mid 80s wouldn't really interest me if higher than 85 so hopefully will be around that mark.
The other interesting thing was the time only .05 slower than when boom the groom was off 86 carrying 8-12 won over 5fs here back in November yet carrying 9n pound more and as seen tonight hacking up,there are very few progressive sprinters around on the aw around these marks and ron harris has had a poor season but he is good with these sprinters and could be running in the higher class sprints at the end of april...
8 ran TIME 1m 0.30s (fast by 0.20s)

This is an example of a horse that's run a monster time and disappointed twice since but at lingfield,he's off 85 I'd be interested to see where he is at the end of the season the time alone and ease of win he has to be better than an 85 horse.

i have no idea what your dribbling on about regards to a gang hunting you around forums but you definatly have mental problems and severe paranoia imo if you were winning 400k a year why the fook would you be hanging around on here ,you should be enjoying life  ffs get a grip and see a doctor

The one's with mental problems are the ones using 8 different addys from the same isps to look in on the forums absolute looney tunes,just to see what I've posted and that was just over two days.Onethefence and his goons from whitley bay..

question.

so how much can you win before they restrict or close?

thegiggilo
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Southwell (AW) Result
10 Mar 2015
« 5:05 » CORAL.CO.UK HANDICAP
(Class 5) (0-75, 4yo+) 1m4f Standard
£3,234.50, £962.50, £481.00, £240.50


« 1 6 Tacticus (USA) 2/1F 4 9-4 p Lady Cecil 74 * *
Martin Harley


« 2 3 9 Royal Peculiar 11/2 7 9-7 p Michael Appleby 75 * *
Andrew Mullen


« 3 7 6 Caged Lightning (IRE) 50/1 5 8-13 p Steve Gollings 67 * *
Jimmy Quinn


« 4 1 3 Le Deluge (FR) 9/4 5 8-7 t Heather Dalton 66 * *
Shirley Teasdale5


« 5 4 10 Carlanda (FR) 11/2 5 8-11 h Michael Appleby 70 * *
Alistair Rawlinson5


« 6 2 5 Cascadia (IRE) 16/1 4 7-12extra weight6over weight3 p Alison Hutchinson 61 * *
Aaron Jones7


« 7 5 69 Steuben (GER) 11/1 9 9-3 p Des Donovan 71 * *
Shane Kelly


7 ran TIME 2m 36.91s (slow by 1.91s)

Tacitus

Nice performance by 74 rated colt with just 6 lifetime runs,did not look particularly well handicapped from turf and poly form but this looked a really poor race,he looks a very interesting runner to me winning by 9ls could've been nearer 20 and still produced a respectable time in a canter.
The most interesting thing is he looks purely dirt horse,sire ap indy top class sire out of seattle slew on dirt and what Julie cecil does with this horse in future presume he will come back to swell and he maybe one of those rare horses that progresses so much he might be seen abroad in future.He's going to take a big hike for this and it maybe his future lies over further,the fact ap indy has such good progeny on dirt but in Europe very poor on turf majkes the placing even more interesting.


WWWWWWWAAALLLLLLLOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!Hope you got the 4/5 should've been 1/100

anyone?

Hi Jockey


Think nowadays its more about how often you beat the SP
Several people have come on to say they have had half a dozen bets no winners but closed or restricted because the SP is shorter.
Your betting pattens will soon come under review unless your doing loads of multiples forecasts etc, of course some firms are worse than others BS  will close you down after one bet if your not there type of punter.
If your shrewd you are unlikely to last long.

Several people have come on to say they have had half a dozen bets no winners but closed or restricted because the SP is shorter.

Exactly. I had maybe six bets over about two weeks with a firm where they were top price. They all lost.

I was only staking about £10 but they barred me.

...the reason they gave in the email mentioned "betting patterns".

I wouldn't call myself shrewd; I was just looking at Oddschecker. If a firm is prepared to offer a standout price, why complain when you take it?

ah ok thanks.

remember mountains restricting me many years ago just before betfair....i did accas with them back then.
pre betfair they used to make some right mistakes.

got a 365 account now for when i drift into foreign residency accasionally...dont ask..

just wondered as ive read a few internet posts saying they are good but also they can restrict you if you win around 2k...

may be different in spain as the spanish pay 20% on profits from gambling....so if they are restricted the spanish govenment are losing out ....wonder if that is against their liscense?

think it should be a matter for a regulatory body if a bookie refuses one person a price and then gives that same price to another person.

they can cry traders decision etc but it makes no sense if they still offer the price to another person.
its descriminatory.

come to think of it if punters had represenation on the GC we could lobby the government to allow only licences to those who didnt restrict or close for the corect reasons....ie..people with serious ganbling problems.


thats what the gc is really meant to be for.

I understand that they're in business to make money but where is the next generation of punters going to come from if the bookmakers ban players that look like the might be winners

yes
its very short-sightedness.

short term profits and divis for long term suicide.

Indeed. It occurred to me after I posted the comment that it's another example of short-termism in business.