I'm a bit confused - am I a racist?

I like the Derby and the Eclipse. Hate the St Leger.

yeah you are a racist....................

Be wary of someone who is very politically correct, such people
are completely unscrupulous like the communists and nazis.

How can you possibly hate the Leger - it has a long and vibrant history!

Don't think any of them come within the true definition of racism as the statements are just now.

you are racist.........NAP

but worst of all youre an idiot

The key words have become ''to discriminate against.''
So if you discriminate in any way against another race, either for them or against them you have acted in a racist manner and must be judged as racist.

Although many forms of blatant racism like positive discrimination seem to be acceptable.
Nevertheless if you discriminate in favour of one type then you must be discriminating against another.
Like the BBC in their quest to ensure that black people are represented in the numbers they see fit on television and radio.

Anyone who claims they are not a racist in some way would have a hard time proving it.

None of the groups he mentions though come within the definitions of a race.

Was it a black cat?

A common call against the BNP and EDL was that they were 'knuckle draggers'

I think this implies that they were likened to apes.

But this was never considered racist.

Now let us look at cases of supporters throwing bananas at black footballers.

I think this implies that they were likened to apes.

This is considered racist.


Spot the difference.

Was it a black spot?

In the Guardian recently, Prof Bhikhu Parekh, the Labour peer who chaired the Commission on the Future of Multi-Ethnic Britain, recently argued that the language around race has changed. He wrote “The term racism has undergone a change of meaning. It has lost its moral force. We use it today too freely. After the war if you said someone was racist, you had images of Hitler. A racist was someone who hated people. Now it is applied to someone who might say: ‘I love my people and want to keep others at a distance.’”

The whole world is racist...especially those who demand that we stamp it out! For example: Anybody who states that we should have a higher proportion of black/ethnic police officers. That we should have more women in government or on the board of company directors. That is simply pure racism and sexism.
You should not notice what race or sex or religion or colour anybody is...then you are truly PC. And probably deaf, blind and stupid.
But, of course, I would not notice any of your afflictions, because that would be handicapist!

Having had the living **** kicked out of me and all my money, watch etc. stolen off me many years ago by 4 young black blokes I have always had a dislike/fear of young black boys/young adults. This doesn't apply to blacks over about 40 even though bizarrely my assailants would themselves now be in their 50s.

Am I a racist? It doesn't apply to the whole race. I have never discriminated against anyone, indeed I have employed young black people who I felt were suitable for a position when I could have given a job to a white candidate.

Perhaps I am a bigot?

In reply to 'call me a taxi', The BNP etc were likened to apes because their political views were considered to display low intelligence. The black footballers were likened to apes because they were black.

I think the difference is fairly easy to spot.

In reply to 'call me a taxi', The BNP etc were likened to apes because their political views were considered to display low intelligence.

That would appear to be an error, as Nick Griffin went to Oxford, and also gained a boxing 'blue'. 

In a general knowledge quiz, I'd back Griffin against a black footballer every time.

On further reflection, I'd also back him against a white footballer every time, they're all thick.

ok then
what if a chinese woman and a white man have a child - or a black woman and white man or whatever.
What race is the child - you can't say mixed race as that's illogical - you either belong to a race or you don't - you can't half belong to it.
So can I say I don't like half or part chinese people or people who have got skin a bit darker than white because they've got a black grandad? Would I be a racist?

Sep 5, 2014 -- 8:25AM, grinchus wrote:

In reply to 'call me a taxi', The BNP etc were likened to apes because their political views were considered to display low intelligence. The black footballers were likened to apes because they were black.I think the difference is fairly easy to spot.

Barry Horne has a degree in chemistry and teaches chemistry and physics. Ian Dowie has a masters in Engineering.

Better even it up:

Shaka Hislop interned at NASA and Clarke Carlisle is clever too.

human race

I've become a lot more racist in recent years, specifically against those of Islamic faith.

I'm frustrated at their apparent refusal to fit in to British society, preferring instead to create a mini version of the Pakistani culture they (or their parents) left behind.

I'm disgusted to see Halal products being sold in high street supermarkets; schools segregating their pupils; governors with a secret agends; calls for Sharia law to be enforced in certain areas; honour killings, the list is long.

I'm angered at the media's refusal to truly reflect the problems Muslims are causing in this country; the recent Rotherham scandal being a perfect example.  One thousand four hundred white children being abused by a cabal of Pakistani men is hard to get one's head around, the sheer numbers are staggering and the fact that the racist angle is being played down a national disgrace.

I realise my views are racist and far from being politically correct but one might as well be honest.

Poby, you forgot one Joseph Barton esq, widely regarded as the footballer`s philosopher.

Pokermonster, a fine and honest post.

Hold a similar view myself and have believed for a while that these money grabbing assassins calling themselves Islamic State   have appeared at the right time and the right place.

Before they arrived on the scene, this country was handing the lease of the nation over to Islam without a struggle.

Even the masses will have to raise their heads from the sand with these daily outrages, Tower Hamlets can yet be recovered from this filthy organisation.

Remember a few years ago when blair was the front man for the establishment?, you could lose a job for being a member of the BNP or passing leaflets about Rotherham, these days the PC brigade are looking likely to be the ones considered to be the knuckle draggers.

Pokermonster. I too must agree. When I read about people getting their heads cut off in the streets of London it puts me off those who carry out these atrocities. The poor lady yesterday and Lee Rigby appear to have been randomly decapitated by Islamic converts. Whilst we know little of yesterday's attack I can't imagine that the recent beheadings of journalists which have been so widely publicised have helped.

There must surely at some stage be a stirring of the masses as I fear similar things are only likely to increase.

hot off the press:

A man has been cleared of racially abusing Welsh club doormen by swearing at them and calling them "Taffs".

James Davis, 24, from Blakeney in the Forest of Dean, was alleged to have abused the bouncers in Lydney.

The incident happened after he was thrown out of a nightclub in the Gloucestershire town in January.

But Mr Davis was found not guilty of a charge of racially aggravated harassment at Cheltenham Magistrates' Court.

Poby
"Having had the living **** kicked out of me and all my money, watch etc. stolen off me many years ago by 4 young black blokes I have always had a dislike/fear of young black boys/young adults. This doesn't apply to blacks over about 40 even though bizarrely my assailants would themselves now be in their 50s.

Am I a racist? It doesn't apply to the whole race. I have never discriminated against anyone, indeed I have employed young black people who I felt were suitable for a position when I could have given a job to a white candidate.

Perhaps I am a bigot? "

Clearly not racist or bigoted.  You have a rational dislike/fear of certain members of society.  You don't hate all black people just because they are black (which would be racist).

Pokermonster
"I've become a lot more racist in recent years, specifically against those of Islamic faith.

I'm frustrated at their apparent refusal to fit in to British society, preferring instead to create a mini version of the Pakistani culture they (or their parents) left behind.

I'm disgusted to see Halal products being sold in high street supermarkets; schools segregating their pupils; governors with a secret agends; calls for Sharia law to be enforced in certain areas; honour killings, the list is long.

I'm angered at the media's refusal to truly reflect the problems Muslims are causing in this country; the recent Rotherham scandal being a perfect example.  One thousand four hundred white children being abused by a cabal of Pakistani men is hard to get one's head around, the sheer numbers are staggering and the fact that the racist angle is being played down a national disgrace.

I realise my views are racist and far from being politically correct but one might as well be honest. "

I don't think your views are racist. You have explained what you don't like about certain aspects of being Muslim and I can't see anything racist or politically incorrect about that. If you had said you don't like all Muslims because they're Muslims then that would be racist.

Charlie Muslims are not a race they belong to a 'belief system'.

Charlie
are muslims a race?
See this is the problem when we mix things up.
Clearly Islam is not a race, nor are its adherents.
I think anybody who says racist this and racism that haven't thought about it, they're just following the herd.
Just my opinion but that's the problem when people just make things up, like labelling some types of people as a "race".

Muslima.com

Epi, mememe
Didn't mean to imply that Muslim's were a race.  Apologies if I did.

Charlie,
apology accepted (unless you're a green vulcan, then f off!... I hate green vulcans)

I'm a green vulcan for a week once every five years when I shed my skin.  So I assume you like me most of the time!

I don't think classifying people as racist or non-racist is particularly helpful. Actually, I read a psychology book recently that more than half convinced me that we are all naturally racist to varying extents. I think it's more important to stop discrimination, including positive discrimination. Also, it's reasonable to classify certain views as racist.

It's a bit like classifying someone as an alcoholic. Rather than saying "Don't be an alcoholic", it's more helpful to say "Don't drink so much that you really damage your body/reduce your mind to swiss cheese/make a tit out of yourself every Friday night".

I hear you're a racist now Father?

Religionist is a word I've just discovered courtesy of Wiki.

Patra
I don't understand why "we are all naturally racist to varying extents" - what is natural racism?
I agree with "it's more important to stop discrimination" but not sure about "including positive discrimination".  I used to think that positive discrimination was bad but certain members of society are underrepresented in many areas - this could well be because of previous discrimination against them (women, ethnic minorities, short people, etc). So is positive discrimination needed to redress the balance?

And I don't understand this at all "It's a bit like classifying someone as an alcoholic. Rather than saying "Don't be an alcoholic", it's more helpful to say "Don't drink so much that you really damage your body/reduce your mind to swiss cheese/make a tit out of yourself every Friday night"."  I'm either an alcoholic or have a serious alcohol dependency and I am aware of the risks involved. But it's Friday!

i like clack pens but white pens are murder , am i racist

black , *********** ffs BLACK

Chaser
You're suffering from white Dimnaliphobia.  Definitely racist.

Charlie,

Regarding your first point, psychologists have demonstrated that showing photos of black men bring to mind more negative images and words than with white men. I can't rememeber the details of the experiments but they were fairly convincing.

The interesting thing is that the author of the book took the test and corroborated the result, even though he was half black himself!

I suppose that it's more accurate to say that we're naturally groupist, and will have formed certain opinions about certain racial groups that naturally and involuntarily come to mind when we see people of those races.

Regarding your last point, fair enough.

Patra
"psychologists have demonstrated that showing photos of black men bring to mind more negative images and words than with white men. I can't rememeber the details of the experiments but they were fairly convincing."
The details are important  Who were shown the photos? And how does that prove "natural racism". 

Racism is 'hardwired' into the human brain - and people can be prejudiced without knowing it. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2164844/Racism-hardwired-huma...
But look at source.

Also look at this: New Evidence That Racism Isn't 'Natural' http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/10/new-evidence-that-racism-isnt-natural/263785/

Or maybe this: http://www.integratedsociopsychology.net/racism_natural.html

These are hardly academic sources but do illustrate the problem of assuming "natural racism".

Get a group of "normal" 2-5 year olds of different races.  Do you think that they would exhibit racist tendencies?  I think not; they wouldn't be naturally racist.

Patra
Apologies by the way if I appear a bit aggressive with replies, I don't mean to be it's just my style of writing.

Charlie,

No problem.

OK, I've just had another look at the book (Blink, by Malcolm Gladwell), and then I went to the actual website (implicit.harvard.edu) and did the test itself (you don't have to give your email address). Basically, you've got to sort faces in the categories black or white. You also have to sort words into good (e.g. glorious, love) or bad (e.g. evil, nasty). The words or faces flash up one at a time. The interesting parts are:

1. When you have to put white faces or good words into one category, and black faces or bad words into another category.
2. When you have to put white faces or bad words into one category, and black faces or good words into another category.

It's way easier with 1 than with 2. Try it.

Now, I'm not suggesting that we're born racist, more than we're born with a tendency to put people into groups, and that by the time you're an adult, you're probably subconsciously associating white people with good things and black people with bad things.

Seriously, try the test.

EVERYONE is racist to some extent - even if they deny it!

Charlie was relatively quiet for 13 years.

I would say, no, you are not racist ... it's a word I think should be banned and never mentioned again ... we are allowed to dislike anything we want on this planet. Why should I be told who, or what I have to like

The new world order seems to think the western world needs to live in a nanny state, no name calling or bullying.

Worrying thing for me is that we are being groomed by the EU of all people, the political wing of the treacherous Nazi movement.

They are concerned with terms like racism, yet create ideal conditions for slavery, people trafficking, rape and abuse of children and other vile crimes.