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You might well find that the police are simply carrying out the rulings of the courts. You know, like doing their job.
I think it highly unlikely that the police do these things of their own volition. They are far more likely to be following preset procedures and systems set out by law...as is their job.
I think it highly unlikely that the police do these things of their own volition. They are far more likely to be following preset procedures and systems set out by law...as is their job.
id blame the goverment, this is all down to MONEY, ya know that paper stuff they print when they want to bailout the greedy elite, spend billions on paying for are foreign friends needs and the the trouble they cause in bringing good old britain to its knees . UP THE UKIP, its my duty .
lets hope it doesnt all end in tears hospitals sometimes have to be cruel to be kind,in 99.9% of cases its best left to the proffesionals, 20 mins on the internet doesnt make us all open heart surgeons
dont really no what the significance is of a 70,000 signed petition when 69,994 of those signing dont no the facts
dont really no what the significance is of a 70,000 signed petition when 69,994 of those signing dont no the facts
I believe the child was made a 'ward of court'. I don't defend plod or anybody else for that matter. I just try to get some people to try to form a rational opinion of their own, based upon what few facts they have to form a judgement.
It doesn't take too much rational thinking to decide that this is a far more complex affair than might first appear.
My opinions on 'Plod' with regard to these Pakistani grooming gangs and heir lack of response to rape charges would probably get me banned. I do not defend guilty parties.
It doesn't take too much rational thinking to decide that this is a far more complex affair than might first appear.
My opinions on 'Plod' with regard to these Pakistani grooming gangs and heir lack of response to rape charges would probably get me banned. I do not defend guilty parties.
Time to knock the medical profession off their fookin perch imo, can reach out with full force of the law across europe, becuase they dont like that patient has difference of opinion 
who know but ok, the patient's parents then, what difference does it make 
theres 1000,s of cancer patients in hospitals who might think a more expensive drug or different form of treatment might help them ,are we advocating that they should all leave put there properties up for sale or spend their live savings on a treatment they,ve read about on the internet
You think they should be locked up in spanish jail for thinking about it instead?
cause not but if this goes belly up an awful lot of people could end up with egg on their faces
Everyone is distancing themselves from Southampton Hospital like they have sh!t in their pants, doesnt take sherlock holmes to work out whose at fault here. Clegg, CPS and police dont come out and say what they have said today otherwise.
Hope the parents do sue them, but maybe they will settle out of court with gagging order like so many malpractice suits
Hope the parents do sue them, but maybe they will settle out of court with gagging order like so many malpractice suits
"All our thoughts are with the family and we're thinking about Ashya's health" - Jeremy Hunt.
Inside he must be seething. The very man who wants to scrap of the NHS! You don't fool me Jeremy
Get well soon Ashya
Inside he must be seething. The very man who wants to scrap of the NHS! You don't fool me Jeremy
Get well soon Ashya
naydam,
no laws were broken when the parents removed the child from the hospital and that is the crux of the matter.
no laws were broken when the parents removed the child from the hospital and that is the crux of the matter.
I remember someone posted on chit - chat a few years back that once you go to the registry office to register the birth of your baby you have effectively given up the right to own your new born baby, the Government will let you look after it till its 18 but until then if you behave yourself no-one will come calling to take your baby away from you but it certainly no longer belongs to you, I thought at the time that that is probably spot on & an episode such as this certainly hammers that school of thought home.
Wesdaq. I don't know any of the facts of what occurred. However, I'm fairly sure that the welfare of the child is the main concern of ALL departments involved...even when this may be contrary to the wishes of the parent(s).
The human rights of the sick child outrank those of the parent. I don't know how the kid was removed from the hospital, but I would guess it was against medical advice. So he was made a 'ward of court'. Kidnapped might be similar.
Now it's alright for everybody to clamour against the actions of the authorities...but ask yourself this: How were they supposed what this man planned to do next? How did they know what his plans were supposed to be?
And last, but by no means least: Did he really go to Spain to sell his house? Why take all the family? Why not just go on his own, sort out the sale and return? Wouldn't that be quickest and easiest?
The human rights of the sick child outrank those of the parent. I don't know how the kid was removed from the hospital, but I would guess it was against medical advice. So he was made a 'ward of court'. Kidnapped might be similar.
Now it's alright for everybody to clamour against the actions of the authorities...but ask yourself this: How were they supposed what this man planned to do next? How did they know what his plans were supposed to be?
And last, but by no means least: Did he really go to Spain to sell his house? Why take all the family? Why not just go on his own, sort out the sale and return? Wouldn't that be quickest and easiest?
How did they know what his plans were supposed to be?
I would imagine that he told them if they wouldn't supply the treatment he would take him somewhere that would. There has been conflict reported between the parents and the hospital so it wasn't just a case of him disappearing without any reason.
The propery in Spain is i believe owned by the wife's mother. And would presumably have to have her consent?
I would imagine that he told them if they wouldn't supply the treatment he would take him somewhere that would. There has been conflict reported between the parents and the hospital so it wasn't just a case of him disappearing without any reason.
The propery in Spain is i believe owned by the wife's mother. And would presumably have to have her consent?
naydam,
it is precisely due to this hysterical nonsense why plod behaved as they did.
It has been established that the child's life was never in danger and since when has it been a crime to take your family to Spain?
When you see Cameron & Clegg not siding with plod, that tells you everything you should need to know.
Still, there are those that will always side with plod regardless of the facts.
it is precisely due to this hysterical nonsense why plod behaved as they did.
It has been established that the child's life was never in danger and since when has it been a crime to take your family to Spain?
When you see Cameron & Clegg not siding with plod, that tells you everything you should need to know.
Still, there are those that will always side with plod regardless of the facts.
Kid was removed by a very worried parent ,an educated resposible person who acted with the best intent .
Naydam give it a rest please ,these people have been forced into a corner and then hunted down like criminals and put in jail and had there family put through extreme duress ,parted from there sick kid all because they disagreed with the state .
Naydam give it a rest please ,these people have been forced into a corner and then hunted down like criminals and put in jail and had there family put through extreme duress ,parted from there sick kid all because they disagreed with the state .
its seems on a daily basis plod make complete and utter tw.ts of themselves.
I think Brendan has it, the Soton General Hospital statement was poorly timed, defensive and quickly buried by the media.
As usual, the media miss the big picture and let Cameron and Clegg of scott free with the opportunity to act as cheerleader for the Kings:
Why -given the level of investment in the NHS and the amounts donated to cancer charities annually by the marvelously generous British public- is there a proton beam therapy centre in the Czech Republic already and yet we have to wait until 2018?
We're probably indirectly subsidising the CR centre via the EU.
As usual, the media miss the big picture and let Cameron and Clegg of scott free with the opportunity to act as cheerleader for the Kings:
Why -given the level of investment in the NHS and the amounts donated to cancer charities annually by the marvelously generous British public- is there a proton beam therapy centre in the Czech Republic already and yet we have to wait until 2018?
We're probably indirectly subsidising the CR centre via the EU.
Good evening Jim. How's the on-course battle going?
what is worrying in this case is the parent concerned does not appear to look or act as some sort of chav or daftie ,seems a reasoned person but the state has used everything at there disposal to ride roughshod over this family ,dont particularly blame the police as they would have acted in good faith its just the whole package ,they are right and the parent is wrong ,MSM has as ever been shameless in its early reporting but again just doing its job
Agree totally about the media missing the big picture here
Agree totally about the media missing the big picture here
The proton beam was developed in the UK. And has been used 99 times already in the UK. Why it wasn't deemed 'appropriate' in Ayesha'a case is a matter for the NHS to explain as i'm pretty sure the 99 times it has been used was in private practice..
If NHS won't use the treatment on ground of cost, then why is the idiotic State persecuting the parents for trying to seek the treatment?
"I don't know any of the facts of what occurred. However, I'm fairly sure that the welfare of the child is the main concern of ALL departments involved...even when this may be contrary to the wishes of the parent(s)."
Naydam - a perfect example of the problem. He doesn't know any of the facts but he is sure the State is right. Imbecilic to post a view when you haven't looked at the facts.
Naydam - a perfect example of the problem. He doesn't know any of the facts but he is sure the State is right. Imbecilic to post a view when you haven't looked at the facts.
Can anybody tell me how the child ended up in a Spanish hospital? Who took him to the hospital?
Java. Please refrain from name-calling. It isn't necessary. I didn't post a 'view' of these events. I simply pointed out that the child's welfare is of paramount concern to ALL. This obviously, would include the parents' viewpoint, but theirs is not a professional opinion whereas, one would have to assume that the opinions of the doctors, child welfare, courts and whoever else was involved, ARE professional opinions.
I also get a sneaky feeling that the parents' story might be a little bit 'enhanced'. But THAT really is an opinion!
I also get a sneaky feeling that the parents' story might be a little bit 'enhanced'. But THAT really is an opinion!
I didn't name call. I said it would be imbecilic to post a view that the State is correct when you freely admit to not even reading the facts.
What a pompous view.
Well FYI the professionals in this case got it badly wrong.
I won't go into 'professionals' behaviour in Rotherham...
Well FYI the professionals in this case got it badly wrong.
I won't go into 'professionals' behaviour in Rotherham...
I can see where Naydam is coming from - just because the parents are only pursuing what they think are the best interests of their child, it does n't correspond that their judgement is beyond reproach (in fact, it may to some extent impair their judgement).
...but it misses the point, we surely know that the parents exclusively support the interests of their child, whereas that is unlikely to be the case of any of the other parties involved, irrespective of what they tell the media - the parents seemed well researched, they accept the potential side effects of the proton beam therapy but are looking to improve poor Ayesha's quality of life for the short time he is with them.
The cost of the treatment should be an irrelevance, even using a brutal economic assessment, the poor kid is n't going to be around long enough to incur the sort of state overhead most of us do during our long and cosseted lives, it really should n't matter who picks up the tab.
His parents think they're doing the right thing, that should be good enough - and it looks like they've got a result - pity they had to spend two or three days in jail, that Spanish judge deserves some flak for not bailing them in the first place as well...
...but it misses the point, we surely know that the parents exclusively support the interests of their child, whereas that is unlikely to be the case of any of the other parties involved, irrespective of what they tell the media - the parents seemed well researched, they accept the potential side effects of the proton beam therapy but are looking to improve poor Ayesha's quality of life for the short time he is with them.
The cost of the treatment should be an irrelevance, even using a brutal economic assessment, the poor kid is n't going to be around long enough to incur the sort of state overhead most of us do during our long and cosseted lives, it really should n't matter who picks up the tab.
His parents think they're doing the right thing, that should be good enough - and it looks like they've got a result - pity they had to spend two or three days in jail, that Spanish judge deserves some flak for not bailing them in the first place as well...
indeed with the kid under police guard in a spanish hospital it wasn't exactly likely the parents were gonna disappear
The plod in Spain couldn't have done anythink without a European arrest warrant applied for and got by Brit plod..
His parents thinking that they are doing the right thing is NOT good enough. Would you say the same for parents who insist on removing their child from hospital because they want to take him to the witch-doctor? Or parents who refuse a blood transfusion for their child because of THEIR religious beliefs? Or the parents who want their female child to be mutilated because 'they know best'?
Parents do NOT exclusively support the needs of the child. They support THEIR interpretation of the needs of the child.
Parents do NOT exclusively support the needs of the child. They support THEIR interpretation of the needs of the child.
yes, of course,as I wrote in my first paragraph what they think are the best interests of the child.
Your points of comparison are invidious, hysterical and preposterous and not worthy of comment beyond that.
Do you have an opinion on the key issues around treatment options, parental input and treatment costs or are you solely concerned with unfounded speculation around the minutiae of the parents behaviour?
Your points of comparison are invidious, hysterical and preposterous and not worthy of comment beyond that.
Do you have an opinion on the key issues around treatment options, parental input and treatment costs or are you solely concerned with unfounded speculation around the minutiae of the parents behaviour?
Monstrous things happen to children in care. I guess we should aim to support those not highlighted & down.
If they had sent a couple of young Pakistani men in to collect him from the hospital there would have been no problem. The police wouldn't have touched it with a barge-pole.
No, I don't have an opinion on what you see as the key issues. I don't know precisely what ails the kid. I have a small inkling regarding the treatment processes but not the costs. I also have no opinion on parental input as I am not privy to their thoughts or reasons for whatever they do.
I'm not too sure that my speculation is entirely unfounded. From what little I think I know on the matter the parents took a seriously ill child from the relatively safe environment of a hospital (possibly even a specialist hospital) and subjected him to a long journey to Spain. I don't know why it was necessary to take the child all that way, but they did.
Now, can anybody who has been paying attention to this case please tell me how the child ended up in hospital in Spain?
I don't know what invidious means.
I'm not too sure that my speculation is entirely unfounded. From what little I think I know on the matter the parents took a seriously ill child from the relatively safe environment of a hospital (possibly even a specialist hospital) and subjected him to a long journey to Spain. I don't know why it was necessary to take the child all that way, but they did.
Now, can anybody who has been paying attention to this case please tell me how the child ended up in hospital in Spain?
I don't know what invidious means.
As far as I'm aware, the boy can't get the treatment needed in the UK for his brain tumour.
So they took him from the hospital, as is their right.
The couple apparently own a property in Spain which they were going to sell to raise money for his treatment.
But they got locked up instead.
The earlier news said they will now possibly go to Czechoslovakia for the treatment.
So they took him from the hospital, as is their right.
The couple apparently own a property in Spain which they were going to sell to raise money for his treatment.
But they got locked up instead.
The earlier news said they will now possibly go to Czechoslovakia for the treatment.
Doctors - don't trust them unless they have a solid record of good decisions. And then be careful. Mind you - they can be rubbish.
The invidious one will now tell you that Czechoslovakia is a long way to take an ailing child..
It is a long way. Simple as that. I'd guess they'd fly, though. Possibly with medical attendants.
Can anybody tell me who put the child in the Spanish hospital?
I'm going to 'Google' invidious!
Can anybody tell me who put the child in the Spanish hospital?
I'm going to 'Google' invidious!
when the spanish police locked up the parents I imagine hospital was deemed best place for the child, otherwise he would have been left in care of siblings only.
Locking up his parents is the key. You have said parents not telling full truth, have hinted that he has come to some harm in his parents care during the journey. The authorities you like to suck off ie the CPS have dropped this like a stone because there is no evidence of criminality or reasonable expectation of a conviction. ie THEY DID NOTHING WRONG!!!!!
Locking up his parents is the key. You have said parents not telling full truth, have hinted that he has come to some harm in his parents care during the journey. The authorities you like to suck off ie the CPS have dropped this like a stone because there is no evidence of criminality or reasonable expectation of a conviction. ie THEY DID NOTHING WRONG!!!!!
The CPS said that "there is insufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction for any criminal offence".
Evidence showed the parents had taken steps to safeguard Ashya's health and two independent medical experts had indicated the risk to Ashya's life "was not as great as had been originally thought".
On the decision of the Southampton hospital to initially alert police, Hunt said: "I think it has been a very unfortunate sequence of events and there have clearly been misunderstandings along the way."
Parents are considering legal action against Southampton General Hospital, their lawyer said, claiming they were told by doctors there was no problem with them taking Ashya out of the UK for treatment.
Hampshire's police commissioner Simon Hayes said wanted assurance "as to the quality of the information given by Southampton General Hospital to Hampshire Constabulary".
Hospital made up the scare story because they didnt like being disagreed with, sadly its as simple as that.
If hospital was told before hand then, the kid would still be in the same hospital getting wrong treatment from parents view. They could not tell hospital as we now know how the hospital would have reacted. The parents did what was best for the child not the hospital. He will get better treatment from what they did
Evidence showed the parents had taken steps to safeguard Ashya's health and two independent medical experts had indicated the risk to Ashya's life "was not as great as had been originally thought".
On the decision of the Southampton hospital to initially alert police, Hunt said: "I think it has been a very unfortunate sequence of events and there have clearly been misunderstandings along the way."
Parents are considering legal action against Southampton General Hospital, their lawyer said, claiming they were told by doctors there was no problem with them taking Ashya out of the UK for treatment.
Hampshire's police commissioner Simon Hayes said wanted assurance "as to the quality of the information given by Southampton General Hospital to Hampshire Constabulary".
Hospital made up the scare story because they didnt like being disagreed with, sadly its as simple as that.
If hospital was told before hand then, the kid would still be in the same hospital getting wrong treatment from parents view. They could not tell hospital as we now know how the hospital would have reacted. The parents did what was best for the child not the hospital. He will get better treatment from what they did
Right. So, let's go back to my original point that the police did NOT over-react. They were informed by the hospital that a seriously (I assume) ill young boy had been removed without notification or medical consent to an unknown location. In effect...kidnapped.
Apparently, they were told that he was in grave danger (my words) if he did not receive certain post-op medication within 24 hours from the time of his disappearance.
Now, given those circumstances and that information, what would YOU do? Please refrain from using information and details gleaned later in the saga. I await with bated breath.
"The authorities you like to suck off"...is there any real need to be insulting?
Apparently, they were told that he was in grave danger (my words) if he did not receive certain post-op medication within 24 hours from the time of his disappearance.
Now, given those circumstances and that information, what would YOU do? Please refrain from using information and details gleaned later in the saga. I await with bated breath.
"The authorities you like to suck off"...is there any real need to be insulting?
Hospital made up the scare story because they didnt like being disagreed with, sadly its as simple as that.
Agreed Brendan but there was no doubt a severe case of "Please don't tell the world that your child could have had proton treatment privately"
Agreed Brendan but there was no doubt a severe case of "Please don't tell the world that your child could have had proton treatment privately"
Sky caught out there with the fathers ability to speak fluent Spanish at the press con...
Thoroughly decent family treated like criminals.Shame on the Police and a tory government that can preside over this shambles
And there you have it. Just as i intimated earlier, the father has just said "Southampton knew i was going to take my son anyway - They have always known"
This country is going down the pan. An absolute debacle that should never have happened. Let's face it, the boy is terminally ill and the NHS don't want to spend anymore money on him. Just another stat in their eyes and I fully support what the family have done.
I think naydam should be congratulated for defending the authorities in this case. The full process of law must be gone through.
ps what law did the parents break?
~The arrogance of the cps - insufficient evidence!!?? of what exactly!!?? for a prosecution for what exactly??
What about the human rights of this family. I do hope southampton, police and cps are all sued for hundreds of thousands of pounds and people are sacked.
It is a shame we didn't have this attention and immediate action by the authorities in rochdale and other associated inner cities involved in grooming cases.
ps what law did the parents break?
~The arrogance of the cps - insufficient evidence!!?? of what exactly!!?? for a prosecution for what exactly??
What about the human rights of this family. I do hope southampton, police and cps are all sued for hundreds of thousands of pounds and people are sacked.
It is a shame we didn't have this attention and immediate action by the authorities in rochdale and other associated inner cities involved in grooming cases.
what I love is the gutless guardian not opening comment columns on this story !!! says it all really
If it was illegal immigrants detained or a racism case they would be all over it.
If it was illegal immigrants detained or a racism case they would be all over it.
is it also true that the child has been made a ward of court!!?? It gets barmier!!!!
Portsmouth Council clearly distancing themselves from Southhampton General. 'Ye is on yer own Jack'
Made a Ward of Court to protect the child while his parents were in custody, according to Council spokeswoman.
Made a Ward of Court to protect the child while his parents were in custody, according to Council spokeswoman.
Can't be revoked till High Court sits on Monday, i believe. Not sure why it can't be reversed sooner though under a judicial review...
There's no point in discussing the case with naydam.
As far as he's concerned, plod can never do any wrong.
He still can not accept that the parents did not break any laws in removing their child from the hospital because it shows up plod for the mugs they are.
As far as he's concerned, plod can never do any wrong.
He still can not accept that the parents did not break any laws in removing their child from the hospital because it shows up plod for the mugs they are.
father obviously lost it saying the hospital were going to kill his son or turn him into a vegatable
he,s now saying he,s barred from seeing his child when he isnt him and his wife have seen the kid
he,s now complaining that they wont let him take his child back to southampton to recieve 2 chemo treatments before prague will take him
someone might enlighten him that if he didnt take his kid on a euro tour he,d be in the hospital getting the treatment he now says they are stopping him getting
the blokes obviously due to the stress is unhinged
rumours that he,s told the press the child has only 4 months to live,if true it would explain the hospitals reluctance to sanction an expensive treatment
he,s now saying he,s barred from seeing his child when he isnt him and his wife have seen the kid
he,s now complaining that they wont let him take his child back to southampton to recieve 2 chemo treatments before prague will take him
someone might enlighten him that if he didnt take his kid on a euro tour he,d be in the hospital getting the treatment he now says they are stopping him getting
the blokes obviously due to the stress is unhinged
rumours that he,s told the press the child has only 4 months to live,if true it would explain the hospitals reluctance to sanction an expensive treatment
Wesdaq. That is hardly discussion. I don't defend or anybody else who fails to do their job properly.
The police in this case seem to have responded correctly to the information and instructions that they were given at the time. Please don't resort to using hindsight. A seriously ill boy was taken from the safe environment of the hospital to somewhere unknown. The boy was considered to be in danger and was made a ward of court. The police would then (I guess) be given instructions to find the boy and return him to the court.
What exactly, are you saying that the police did wrong? Please think about this and stop just throwing out random accusations. What did the police do that was wrong...In your own opinion.
The police in this case seem to have responded correctly to the information and instructions that they were given at the time. Please don't resort to using hindsight. A seriously ill boy was taken from the safe environment of the hospital to somewhere unknown. The boy was considered to be in danger and was made a ward of court. The police would then (I guess) be given instructions to find the boy and return him to the court.
What exactly, are you saying that the police did wrong? Please think about this and stop just throwing out random accusations. What did the police do that was wrong...In your own opinion.
what are you saying the parents did wrong?
you hint all along that some harm could have be fallen him but this just isnt the case, but you still bang on about it kidnaping etc
you hint all along that some harm could have be fallen him but this just isnt the case, but you still bang on about it kidnaping etc
so you must be saying he shouldnt have been in hospital at all and would have been quite safe at home in bed,the hospital have said one coughing fit and a sequence of events could have started which the family would not have the skills to sort out
this morning the dr,s were going to either kill him or turn him into a vegatable,this evening he wants to return his son to the same sed dr,s,
work that one out
absolute certain that this family is feeding the gullable media half a story
but as said its done the trick and people queuing up to pay for the op
sky visiting the clinic in prague telling all their viewers the boy will be saved and cured
this morning the dr,s were going to either kill him or turn him into a vegatable,this evening he wants to return his son to the same sed dr,s,
work that one out
absolute certain that this family is feeding the gullable media half a story
but as said its done the trick and people queuing up to pay for the op
sky visiting the clinic in prague telling all their viewers the boy will be saved and cured
1st time poster 03 Sep 14 18:31
absolute certain that this family is feeding the gullable media half a story
but as said its done the trick and people queuing up to pay for the op
sky visiting the clinic in prague telling all their viewers the boy will be saved and cured
And if plod hadn't of waded in like a water buffalo, would any of this have happened?
absolute certain that this family is feeding the gullable media half a story
but as said its done the trick and people queuing up to pay for the op
sky visiting the clinic in prague telling all their viewers the boy will be saved and cured
And if plod hadn't of waded in like a water buffalo, would any of this have happened?
good luck to the lad involved but i don't like his father cant get infront of the camera quick enough.
plod only responding to what appears to be at the most generous interpretation false information fed to them by the hospital
the hospital must have had a reasonable idea of what the parents intentions were
the hospital must have had a reasonable idea of what the parents intentions were
ch 4 news having a good old pop at the father
that desperate to see his child went straight to seville to organise a press conference
cant wait to put his face in front of the camera,s to say he was banned from seeing his son when he wasnt,
then pops in front of the camera to hav a pop at malaga hospital to say he doesnt look as well as when they were looking after him
this fella,s going to wish he never started all this
that desperate to see his child went straight to seville to organise a press conference
cant wait to put his face in front of the camera,s to say he was banned from seeing his son when he wasnt,
then pops in front of the camera to hav a pop at malaga hospital to say he doesnt look as well as when they were looking after him
this fella,s going to wish he never started all this
The boy was considered to be in danger and was made a ward of court.
Balderdash. Try reading posts before you comment, or better still read the news..
Balderdash. Try reading posts before you comment, or better still read the news..
The child was recovering from major brain surgery. The parents then took him from the relative safety of a hospital. They then took him for a long journey without any medical safeguards. It was deemed that his well-being was endangered. A court order was issued making the child a ward of court. The police acted upon this order. The parents were arrested and the child returned to the safer environment of a hospital. It is not the fault of the police that the 'new' hospital is in Spain. That is the parents doing.
I have no idea what they intended to do with the sick child or where they intended to take him prior to the possible sale of a house. Or, indeed, where they intended to take him AFTER the sale of the house.
In my opinion the parents DID endanger the child's well-being. I also think that the police acted correctly, in accordance with their duty.
I have no idea what they intended to do with the sick child or where they intended to take him prior to the possible sale of a house. Or, indeed, where they intended to take him AFTER the sale of the house.
In my opinion the parents DID endanger the child's well-being. I also think that the police acted correctly, in accordance with their duty.
It was deemed that his well-being was endangered. A court order was issued making the child a ward of court.
Wrong. Now unless you want to fall completely into a cavernous pit, do some research..
Wrong. Now unless you want to fall completely into a cavernous pit, do some research..
Why not enlighten me. Reading can be difficult. It must be quicker for you to tell me. I didn't even see the cavernous pit. 
You want me to debate with you, inform ye of your wrongs, and then do your research for ye?
You aren't Inuit by any chance, are you?
You aren't Inuit by any chance, are you?
I suppose that's a 'no', then. Still, there's nothing with having different opinions. It's healthy.
I'd like to see the timeline of:
A) when his parents removed him from the hopital
B) when the hospital phoned the police
and
C)when the police actually went looking
The first report I saw on the BBC was laughable.
'It's known that they were on the 4 o'clock ferry to Cherbourg.'
Must have been quite a gap between A) and C)
A) when his parents removed him from the hopital
B) when the hospital phoned the police
and
C)when the police actually went looking
The first report I saw on the BBC was laughable.
'It's known that they were on the 4 o'clock ferry to Cherbourg.'
Must have been quite a gap between A) and C)
Assistant Chief Constable Chris Shead of Hampshire Police pretty much admitted that they had little real basis for the issue of a European Arrest Warrant when he said: 'I can confirm we have obtained a European Arrest Warrant. What that will do is, when we find Ashya and his family, it will allow us to talk to his parents about what happened. Clearly we need to find out what their motive is in taking Ashya.' Claiming that they were looking at an offence of neglect (presumably under Section 1 of the Children and Young Persons Act 1933), he admitted that ‘That does not necessarily mean they would be charged with that offence. It purely gives us the power to arrest and then we'll be able to speak to them.’
They wanted a chat basically, as authorities felt they weren't kept in the loop and family weren't picking up the phone to plod or hospital which btw was an abuse of the EWA
The European Arrest Warrant can only be issued in the UK when the aim is a criminal prosecution, not just an investigation
They wanted a chat basically, as authorities felt they weren't kept in the loop and family weren't picking up the phone to plod or hospital
which btw was an abuse of the EWAThe European Arrest Warrant can only be issued in the UK when the aim is a criminal prosecution, not just an investigation
Ashya King's family took him from Southampton general hospital on Thursday afternoon and travelled on a ferry to France some two hours later.
Hampshire Constabulary were told by the hospital that the youngster was missing at 8.35pm that day
Hampshire Constabulary were told by the hospital that the youngster was missing at 8.35pm that day
not up to speed on this today so don't want to comment on the latest developments, but when the story first broke were n't the authorities concerned that the battery on the young lad's feeding pack would run out only for it to transpire later that the Kings had a power lead for it?
I'd struggle to have much confidence in the hospital myself based on what I read and saw up to yesterday.
I'd struggle to have much confidence in the hospital myself based on what I read and saw up to yesterday.
ReaseHeath
03 Sep 14 22:51
not up to speed on this today so don't want to comment on the latest developments, but when the story first broke were n't the authorities concerned that the battery on the young lad's feeding pack would run out only for it to transpire later that the Kings had a power lead for it?
Correct.
03 Sep 14 22:51
not up to speed on this today so don't want to comment on the latest developments, but when the story first broke were n't the authorities concerned that the battery on the young lad's feeding pack would run out only for it to transpire later that the Kings had a power lead for it?
Correct.
naydam will always nit pic and fall down on the side of the law
the trouble is would he do the same with sharia law or any other law we have which may be counter productive to the well being of the populace
blind obedience - beware!! we have seen it every where have we not
and this is the law naydam wants us to follow
the trouble is would he do the same with sharia law or any other law we have which may be counter productive to the well being of the populace
blind obedience - beware!! we have seen it every where have we not
and this is the law naydam wants us to follow
CMAT. Why would there need to be a big gap between (a) and (c)?
Moisok. I know very little of the actualities of Shariah Law although I think it equates to trial by the local community wise men/leaders. Something like our Magistrates Courts. I would be grateful for any more in-depth knowledge that you might have on the matter.
The fact is, though, that we all need laws. I don't think societies would function very well without them.
Moisok. I know very little of the actualities of Shariah Law although I think it equates to trial by the local community wise men/leaders. Something like our Magistrates Courts. I would be grateful for any more in-depth knowledge that you might have on the matter.
The fact is, though, that we all need laws. I don't think societies would function very well without them.
Op paid for by charity - job done. My congrats on a very well orchestrated and planned campaign by the family - I hope they spend the Express/Mail/whomever money wisely as well........
naydam 04 Sep 14 01:54
CMAT. Why would there need to be a big gap between (a) and (c)?
It was a large enough gap that gave them time to get on a ferry.
brendanuk1 03 Sep 14 22:47
Ashya King's family took him from Southampton general hospital on Thursday afternoon and travelled on a ferry to France some two hours later.[/i]
[i]Hampshire Constabulary were told by the hospital that the youngster was missing at 8.35pm that day
Whatever time he went missing, I would assume, given his age and condition, that it was noticed immediately by hospital staff.
So I would further assume that they phoned the police at that time, plus a few minutes, as he was liable to die if his battery went flat.
The BBC reported they had taken the 4-00 p.m. ferry to Cherbourg, and gave the car registration plate number.
Brendans post implies that there was a MASSIVE gap between the child going missing and the hospital reporting it to the police.
UNLESS
The police are lying.
The BBC got the story wrong on the ferry time, as it was 6 and a half hours before he was reported missing to the police.
Taking all things into consideration, the whole operation was a shambles from start to finish.
CMAT. Why would there need to be a big gap between (a) and (c)?
It was a large enough gap that gave them time to get on a ferry.
brendanuk1 03 Sep 14 22:47
Ashya King's family took him from Southampton general hospital on Thursday afternoon and travelled on a ferry to France some two hours later.[/i]
[i]Hampshire Constabulary were told by the hospital that the youngster was missing at 8.35pm that day
Whatever time he went missing, I would assume, given his age and condition, that it was noticed immediately by hospital staff.
So I would further assume that they phoned the police at that time, plus a few minutes, as he was liable to die if his battery went flat.
The BBC reported they had taken the 4-00 p.m. ferry to Cherbourg, and gave the car registration plate number.
Brendans post implies that there was a MASSIVE gap between the child going missing and the hospital reporting it to the police.
UNLESS
The police are lying.
The BBC got the story wrong on the ferry time, as it was 6 and a half hours before he was reported missing to the police.
Taking all things into consideration, the whole operation was a shambles from start to finish.
CMAT. I started to type a long explanation and certain areas that might require further scrutiny by you and many others. But I thought 'Why bother'? You won't apply any logical thought to whatever I said, anyway.
So, let's just deal briefly with the time lapse. Child is taken in the afternoon. Police are informed at 8-35pm. They conduct search for family. They are probably now aware of further details such as a residence in Spain. They check ferry details. Bingo! The family car was booked on the 4-00pm ferry from x to y.
There is no requirement for any delay beyond that which it took to get from the hospital to the ferry.
There is a whole lot more that you should all be considering a bit more calmly...especially regarding the parents actions. But instead, I will simply be showered with insults. I would like you to think.
So, let's just deal briefly with the time lapse. Child is taken in the afternoon. Police are informed at 8-35pm. They conduct search for family. They are probably now aware of further details such as a residence in Spain. They check ferry details. Bingo! The family car was booked on the 4-00pm ferry from x to y.
There is no requirement for any delay beyond that which it took to get from the hospital to the ferry.
There is a whole lot more that you should all be considering a bit more calmly...especially regarding the parents actions. But instead, I will simply be showered with insults. I would like you to think.
There is no requirement for any delay beyond that which it took to get from the hospital to the ferry.
There is a whole lot more that you should all be considering a bit more calmly...
I didn't realise I was angry.
FACT
They left on the ferry at 4-00 p.m.
CONJECTURE
This was said to be two hours after the child went missing.
SUBJECT TO A STEWARDS
Therefore he went missing at 2-00 p.m. and it took two hours to book the ferry, to drive there, and to get on it.
FACT
It was reported to Hampshire Constabulary at 8-35 p.m.
QUESTION
If the child was in mortal danger, as was suggested in the initial reports, as his battery was liable to go flat, why did it take the hospital 6 and a half hours to contact the police.
CONCLUSION
For whatever reason, there was a MASSIVE gap between A) and C), as I suggested earlier in my 22:37 post.
Are you deliberately being obtuse?
There is a whole lot more that you should all be considering a bit more calmly...
I didn't realise I was angry.
FACT
They left on the ferry at 4-00 p.m.
CONJECTURE
This was said to be two hours after the child went missing.
SUBJECT TO A STEWARDS
Therefore he went missing at 2-00 p.m. and it took two hours to book the ferry, to drive there, and to get on it.
FACT
It was reported to Hampshire Constabulary at 8-35 p.m.
QUESTION
If the child was in mortal danger, as was suggested in the initial reports, as his battery was liable to go flat, why did it take the hospital 6 and a half hours to contact the police.
CONCLUSION
For whatever reason, there was a MASSIVE gap between A) and C), as I suggested earlier in my 22:37 post.
Are you deliberately being obtuse?
The default position for naydam is to always side with plod.
i,m all for people making their own choices about hospital care but having slagged off our hospitals and the spanish hospital, i,d like to see this family banned from using the nhs for any reason in the future
I wasn't suggesting that you were angry, just a little bit hasty perhaps.
If I can recall correctly, from the early reports that I overheard, the real danger wasn't necessarily immediate. It was more to do with with certain procedures, perhaps medication, that was time-sensitive and needed to be administered within the next 24 hours.
Now, I must admit that I misread (or misconstrued) your post regarding the timing of events and for that I apologise. The elapsed time was, as later stated, some six and a half hours. I can only guess that I wasn't paying enough attention to the post that I was replying to. Again, I apologise for that.
I don't know when the hospital first realised that the kid was missing but, apparently, the family were spending some time together. One needs to remember, though, that this is a hospital and not a prison and it would take quite a while to realise that the kid had actually been removed.
The police seem to have responded promptly and professionally to the information they were given. Of course, time may prove otherwise.
If I can recall correctly, from the early reports that I overheard, the real danger wasn't necessarily immediate. It was more to do with with certain procedures, perhaps medication, that was time-sensitive and needed to be administered within the next 24 hours.
Now, I must admit that I misread (or misconstrued) your post regarding the timing of events and for that I apologise. The elapsed time was, as later stated, some six and a half hours. I can only guess that I wasn't paying enough attention to the post that I was replying to. Again, I apologise for that.
I don't know when the hospital first realised that the kid was missing but, apparently, the family were spending some time together. One needs to remember, though, that this is a hospital and not a prison and it would take quite a while to realise that the kid had actually been removed.
The police seem to have responded promptly and professionally to the information they were given. Of course, time may prove otherwise.
The last bit was for Wesdaq. Just to reinforce his opinion.
Thanks, it's a shame that all those who are proven wrong can't post a civil apology instead of abuse.
CMAT. Just to clarify matters. My apologies were for not reading your post properly and totally misunderstanding what you said. I should have read it again before responding. For that I apologise.
As for being right or wrong on the actions taken by the parents, the hospital or the police...that would be a different ball game. However, I think this case has been done to death and I shall attempt to withdraw from the subject. Maybe it will resurface at a future date.
Thank you for your gracious response.
As for being right or wrong on the actions taken by the parents, the hospital or the police...that would be a different ball game. However, I think this case has been done to death and I shall attempt to withdraw from the subject. Maybe it will resurface at a future date.
Thank you for your gracious response.
good to see the little fella out of hospital after his 6 weeks of proton beam treatment
Are the NHS funding it, the same as other countries fund their patients who come here?
How much have Pakistan, India, Africa etc, sent us for treating their patients?
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