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Parents of King boy with brain tumour - why no threads on here ?
Parents of King boy with brain tumour - why no threads on here ?
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1st time poster 03 Sep 14 18:31
absolute certain that this family is feeding the gullable media half a story but as said its done the trick and people queuing up to pay for the op sky visiting the clinic in prague telling all their viewers the boy will be saved and cured And if plod hadn't of waded in like a water buffalo, would any of this have happened? |
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^^^ upside down thinking.
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good luck to the lad involved but i don't like his father cant get infront of the camera quick enough.
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plod only responding to what appears to be at the most generous interpretation false information fed to them by the hospital
the hospital must have had a reasonable idea of what the parents intentions were |
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ch 4 news having a good old pop at the father
that desperate to see his child went straight to seville to organise a press conference cant wait to put his face in front of the camera,s to say he was banned from seeing his son when he wasnt, then pops in front of the camera to hav a pop at malaga hospital to say he doesnt look as well as when they were looking after him this fella,s going to wish he never started all this |
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The boy was considered to be in danger and was made a ward of court.
Balderdash. Try reading posts before you comment, or better still read the news.. |
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The child was recovering from major brain surgery. The parents then took him from the relative safety of a hospital. They then took him for a long journey without any medical safeguards. It was deemed that his well-being was endangered. A court order was issued making the child a ward of court. The police acted upon this order. The parents were arrested and the child returned to the safer environment of a hospital. It is not the fault of the police that the 'new' hospital is in Spain. That is the parents doing.
I have no idea what they intended to do with the sick child or where they intended to take him prior to the possible sale of a house. Or, indeed, where they intended to take him AFTER the sale of the house. In my opinion the parents DID endanger the child's well-being. I also think that the police acted correctly, in accordance with their duty. |
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It was deemed that his well-being was endangered. A court order was issued making the child a ward of court.
Wrong. Now unless you want to fall completely into a cavernous pit, do some research.. |
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Why not enlighten me. Reading can be difficult. It must be quicker for you to tell me. I didn't even see the cavernous pit.
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You want me to debate with you, inform ye of your wrongs, and then do your research for ye?
You aren't Inuit by any chance, are you? |
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I suppose that's a 'no', then. Still, there's nothing with having different opinions. It's healthy.
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It is.
Watch out for the blubber.. |
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I'd like to see the timeline of:
A) when his parents removed him from the hopital B) when the hospital phoned the police and C)when the police actually went looking The first report I saw on the BBC was laughable. 'It's known that they were on the 4 o'clock ferry to Cherbourg.' Must have been quite a gap between A) and C) |
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Assistant Chief Constable Chris Shead of Hampshire Police pretty much admitted that they had little real basis for the issue of a European Arrest Warrant when he said: 'I can confirm we have obtained a European Arrest Warrant. What that will do is, when we find Ashya and his family, it will allow us to talk to his parents about what happened. Clearly we need to find out what their motive is in taking Ashya.' Claiming that they were looking at an offence of neglect (presumably under Section 1 of the Children and Young Persons Act 1933), he admitted that ‘That does not necessarily mean they would be charged with that offence. It purely gives us the power to arrest and then we'll be able to speak to them.’
They wanted a chat basically, as authorities felt they weren't kept in the loop and family weren't picking up the phone to plod or hospital  which btw was an abuse of the EWAThe European Arrest Warrant can only be issued in the UK when the aim is a criminal prosecution, not just an investigation |
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Ashya King's family took him from Southampton general hospital on Thursday afternoon and travelled on a ferry to France some two hours later.
Hampshire Constabulary were told by the hospital that the youngster was missing at 8.35pm that day |
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not up to speed on this today so don't want to comment on the latest developments, but when the story first broke were n't the authorities concerned that the battery on the young lad's feeding pack would run out only for it to transpire later that the Kings had a power lead for it?
I'd struggle to have much confidence in the hospital myself based on what I read and saw up to yesterday. |
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03 Sep 14 22:51 not up to speed on this today so don't want to comment on the latest developments, but when the story first broke were n't the authorities concerned that the battery on the young lad's feeding pack would run out only for it to transpire later that the Kings had a power lead for it? Correct. |
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naydam will always nit pic and fall down on the side of the law
the trouble is would he do the same with sharia law or any other law we have which may be counter productive to the well being of the populace blind obedience - beware!! we have seen it every where have we not and this is the law naydam wants us to follow |
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CMAT. Why would there need to be a big gap between (a) and (c)?
Moisok. I know very little of the actualities of Shariah Law although I think it equates to trial by the local community wise men/leaders. Something like our Magistrates Courts. I would be grateful for any more in-depth knowledge that you might have on the matter. The fact is, though, that we all need laws. I don't think societies would function very well without them. |
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Op paid for by charity - job done. My congrats on a very well orchestrated and planned campaign by the family - I hope they spend the Express/Mail/whomever money wisely as well........
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naydam 04 Sep 14 01:54
CMAT. Why would there need to be a big gap between (a) and (c)? It was a large enough gap that gave them time to get on a ferry. brendanuk1 03 Sep 14 22:47 Ashya King's family took him from Southampton general hospital on Thursday afternoon and travelled on a ferry to France some two hours later.[/i] [i]Hampshire Constabulary were told by the hospital that the youngster was missing at 8.35pm that day Whatever time he went missing, I would assume, given his age and condition, that it was noticed immediately by hospital staff. So I would further assume that they phoned the police at that time, plus a few minutes, as he was liable to die if his battery went flat. The BBC reported they had taken the 4-00 p.m. ferry to Cherbourg, and gave the car registration plate number. Brendans post implies that there was a MASSIVE gap between the child going missing and the hospital reporting it to the police. UNLESS The police are lying. The BBC got the story wrong on the ferry time, as it was 6 and a half hours before he was reported missing to the police. Taking all things into consideration, the whole operation was a shambles from start to finish. |
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CMAT. I started to type a long explanation and certain areas that might require further scrutiny by you and many others. But I thought 'Why bother'? You won't apply any logical thought to whatever I said, anyway.
So, let's just deal briefly with the time lapse. Child is taken in the afternoon. Police are informed at 8-35pm. They conduct search for family. They are probably now aware of further details such as a residence in Spain. They check ferry details. Bingo! The family car was booked on the 4-00pm ferry from x to y. There is no requirement for any delay beyond that which it took to get from the hospital to the ferry. There is a whole lot more that you should all be considering a bit more calmly...especially regarding the parents actions. But instead, I will simply be showered with insults. I would like you to think. |
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There is no requirement for any delay beyond that which it took to get from the hospital to the ferry.
There is a whole lot more that you should all be considering a bit more calmly... I didn't realise I was angry.  FACT They left on the ferry at 4-00 p.m. CONJECTURE This was said to be two hours after the child went missing. SUBJECT TO A STEWARDS Therefore he went missing at 2-00 p.m. and it took two hours to book the ferry, to drive there, and to get on it. FACT It was reported to Hampshire Constabulary at 8-35 p.m. QUESTION If the child was in mortal danger, as was suggested in the initial reports, as his battery was liable to go flat, why did it take the hospital 6 and a half hours to contact the police. CONCLUSION For whatever reason, there was a MASSIVE gap between A) and C), as I suggested earlier in my 22:37 post. Are you deliberately being obtuse? |
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The default position for naydam is to always side with plod.
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i,m all for people making their own choices about hospital care but having slagged off our hospitals and the spanish hospital, i,d like to see this family banned from using the nhs for any reason in the future
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I wasn't suggesting that you were angry, just a little bit hasty perhaps.
If I can recall correctly, from the early reports that I overheard, the real danger wasn't necessarily immediate. It was more to do with with certain procedures, perhaps medication, that was time-sensitive and needed to be administered within the next 24 hours. Now, I must admit that I misread (or misconstrued) your post regarding the timing of events and for that I apologise. The elapsed time was, as later stated, some six and a half hours. I can only guess that I wasn't paying enough attention to the post that I was replying to. Again, I apologise for that. I don't know when the hospital first realised that the kid was missing but, apparently, the family were spending some time together. One needs to remember, though, that this is a hospital and not a prison and it would take quite a while to realise that the kid had actually been removed. The police seem to have responded promptly and professionally to the information they were given. Of course, time may prove otherwise. |
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The last bit was for Wesdaq. Just to reinforce his opinion.
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Thanks, it's a shame that all those who are proven wrong can't post a civil apology instead of abuse.
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CMAT. Just to clarify matters. My apologies were for not reading your post properly and totally misunderstanding what you said. I should have read it again before responding. For that I apologise.
As for being right or wrong on the actions taken by the parents, the hospital or the police...that would be a different ball game. However, I think this case has been done to death and I shall attempt to withdraw from the subject. Maybe it will resurface at a future date. Thank you for your gracious response. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikJony6h_tQ
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good to see the little fella out of hospital after his 6 weeks of proton beam treatment
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Are the NHS funding it, the same as other countries fund their patients who come here?
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yes the NHS are funding it
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How much have Pakistan, India, Africa etc, sent us for treating their patients?
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