SIR CLIFF....

if kitty goes to court and spills the beans there is going to be some sweaty bums in the political world

Amazing to think that nearly every male in the UK was jealous of Cliff because of the attention he got from our women folk.

if kitty goes to court and spills the beans there is going to be some sweaty bums in the political world

Everybody seems convinced there is giant paedophile plot going on
no wonder I have trouble with my arguments

yes akabula...he was teenage pop idol at one time
but then he developed this squeaky clean image
if he turns out to be a bad un, I think I am going to give up on this world

Basically a whiter Michael Jackson with absolutely no talent whatsoever...

only ever heard old biddies admitting they like CR

Od Cliff turns out a bad un Ebul we can just turn the lights out.

@Emdem I meant to add when he first hit the music scene. He got the same reception from the females that the Beatles got.

no wonder I have trouble with my arguments

the main reason you have trouble with your "arguments" is that they are total bollox tbf

I don't see it giggilo, Michael Jackson had serious problems in that line
died at the right moment

Jackson made it all too public though, thought his money made him invincible
but incredible troubled man imo, who in their right mind has plastic surgery that made them look like a victim
also a major traffic accident?....he was a reasonable looking man when he was younger

but sexually he had major problems

yes he was good looking back then so not surprised he was popular with the ladies.

However, as time went on and he never dated women (exception S Barker), then rumours were rife about his sex life and have been for prob 30 years

Well that is your opinion MisterBadger
I could throw that back at you, in fact I will, I dont think I have ever seen an intelligent post from you yet

would you recognize one then?

would you MisterBadger?

akabula  • August 15, 2014 10:17 PM BST
@Emdem I meant to add when he first hit the music scene. He got the same reception from the females that the Beatles got.

Yes, sadly wasted on Sir Cliff, I mean he could have porked his way through half the female of this country
and in those days that is what Pop Idols did, don't think Mick Jagger turned down much
or Keith Moon and Oliver Reed

would I what, gery? (yawn)

yawn

es, sadly wasted on Sir Cliff, I mean he could have porked his way through half the female of this country

and that is why wondered about him

@ Ebul and MrB
I was gonna suggest you kissed and made up but it's probably the wrong thread for that.

are you friends now?

maybe

just need Gery now

well it aint personal with me...

Emden  • August 15, 2014 10:36 PM BST
es, sadly wasted on Sir Cliff, I mean he could have porked his way through half the female of this country
and that is why wondered about him

yes that is a point, I thought it was because he was gay, but did not want to lose his female fans
and being gay was not accepted so much then...unless you were outrageously camp like Kenneth Williams
people can laugh at it then

well I really hope it is not kiddies, we shall see

I am sure some females like yeahyeah are looking in on this thread, and thinking what a sad lot us men are
with out somewhat shallow values with women

We bring our problems on ourselves

but I am still maintaining we don't do kiddies as much as is suggested by our media and court cases
on that last remark, I do realise I am going against majority opinion on here

As a "senior citizen"  I am amazed that the old biddies that I fancied 50 yrs ago are defending Kitty.

Again to add a historical perspective there were strong political groups at the heart of the political cass seemingly hell bent on free love for children in the 70's. They were even affiliated with the Labour party with many existing leading politicians even now bending over backwards distancing themselves from their actions or lack of them in the 70's. Lib Dems? Think David Steele's knowledge and appalling slihtering over fatty Cyril. And the Tories. Where do you start? At least nost of them got a penchant for it when they were buggered at school so they were also victims as well sometime as being perpetrators.

No wonder the rest of us wince a bit at the thought of one up the pipe and detest the thought of kiddy fiddling. There are probably plenty of people still out there in positions of power hoping this all dies down and wondering what the big deal is.

One up the bum. Too much harm done.

is it coincidence his 1961 album was called the young ones & his
2010 album was called bold as brass (ie thinking he'd got away with it)

& if you take 1961 from 2010 it leaves 49, which was age cliff was when the offence took place!

You can all forget about it,an expert on law on sky says that Sir Cliff would not be able to get a fair trial if he was charged,because of all that has been written about him since his name was mentioned in the media.looks like we will all have to put up with Sir CLIFF for another 50 years,a new book,30 more number ones and a pile of millions from the state."the rich ones,darling weer the rich ones"

I have no idea if he is guilty of anything at this point and the police have to be given time to develop the case. I have two concerns with what has happened to date though. Firstly I think the public should be given an indication of the substance of the evidence that led to a judge signing a warrant to search his home, I would hate to think its simply one person making an allegation that has led to this. I tend to like the way the Americans deal with warrants for searches or arrest, they have to have a clear and measured level of evidence before an arrest or search can be made. And my second concern is why has this case not being heavily reported on the media, whilst I agree at this stage it shouldn't, I cant help thinking that because he is a Knight of the realm and a friend of the BBC that this has effected the reporting on the matter. In the other Yew tree cases there was a media scramble to report on everything and anything about the person involved, with Sir Cliff almost nothing. Where is the consistency?

it was bad enough that we had to put up with bowyer and woodgate ffs 

^ @brassneck

Maybe the guy is clean as a whistle.?and the woop woop woop woop,got it wrong.

Did Sir Cliff ever have horses in training with Sir Henry Cecil?

may have done Evgengy, he wasn't alone.

"if you take 1961 from 2010 it leaves 49, which was age cliff was when the offence took place!"

The alleged offence took place in 1985 he was born 1940.

bang goes that theory

You can not give a persons name out in law until they are charged.And as far as I know the guys name is Harry Webb.so that will take a few days to sort out.Someone somewhere made a big big blunder.

Thanks Howdi - they may have run up the Doncaster straight.

Red Riding !

^ was one of the best things on tv in the last decade imo

When mr glitters house was raided all evidence was not allowed to be used in court because in law he is Paul Francis Gadd,and mr.glitter was compensated for the error by the state.Bottom line on my point is that Sir Cliffs name should not have been Released by the police and the chances of a trial are about 2% if mr.webb is charged

He's one of the ''untouchables'' zero chance of getting charged knows far to many in the inner circle,the whole thing looks a fiasco to me for him to slink into obscurity....

I remember him getting very excited on Grand National day in 2004. I think he, d backed the Tabor-owned mare who won and whose name now escapes me.

I wouldn't  be surprised if he is truly celibate.He is a strange cove and I don't reckon sex has figured much in his life. just an opinion but I don't believe there will be any substance in these allegations.

sir clifford of the richard gambling... are you shure? 

Well all I remember MB was him punching the air when that Tabor horse won. Whether he had a bet is another matter.

no probability about it really
on account of protection of our children

Still we see women taking their chances in Yewtree
so it appears a few men are going to try their luck here as well

amazing one claim, others immediately follow

interesting on the red button today

a women is charged with suffocating her baby by lying on him
yesterday a women was arrested for negligence and possible murder, of her three year old child in a swimming people

very little publicity, no public anger

and yet if a case involves sex, a celebrity and happened about 30 - 40 years ago
we are all up I arms

why is that?

The first two are almost certainly due  to the overreaction of the authorities and their "partners" and will  come to nothing. If that is wrong then outrage comes later .

Paedophile Information Exchange

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE)


Formation
1974

Extinction
1984

Headquarters
London

Region served
UK

Official language
English

The Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) was a British pro-paedophile activist group, founded in October 1974 and officially disbanded in 1984


Government funding[edit]

In March 2014 evidence emerged that PIE had received grants totalling £70,000 from the Home Office, after a whistle-blower told police he witnessed a successful three-year grant renewal application for £35,000 in 1980, implying that a similar grant had been made in 1977

gery, have you not heard of the paedophile information exchange?

actually I was there, as we did not live in a society of mass paedophilia

well as luck would have it I was there too and I remember it being reported about extensively in the early 80s... dr rhodes boyson being one of the most infamous members of this group:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/westminster-abuse-inquiry-i-found-rent-boys-to-entertain-top-tory-politicians-in-the-1980s-claims-former-party-activist-9602754.html

do you have selective memory problems gery, or are you just simply genuinely ignorant?

or are you just simply genuinely ignorant? our truce simply did not last long

Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE)

how am I supposed to know about that????
I never saw the Daily Paedophile Gazette on sale?????
It was not delivered to peoples doors as a free newspaper

This is being exaggerating out of all proportion
I still say we are rewriting history

Facts..Red Riding

one of the best drama series I have seen in recent years
but I did have a little trouble with plot

Would the police have covered up paedophile activities to the extent they did
even when child murder was involved?

Although yes I am sure the police covered up for a lot, Police corruption has and probably still is
a problem for us

I suppose a organization like Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) could have existed
if fact it did

I never heard of it, nobody I ever knew had heard of it, and I find it difficult to believe
that all our government were members

I assume rent boys are legal if of age?...they are male prostitutes..prostitution is not illegal

PIE was pretty well known after the Sunday People brought it to the attention of the general public in 1975. http://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/03/15/the-vilest-men-in-britain-25-5-75/
Affiiated to the NCCL, it still haunts Harriet Harman, Jack Dromey and Patricia Hewitt. PIE did have taxpayers money to help it along, at least 30,000 pounds apparantly.

oh well...I missed it

I think I used to buy The News Of The World for the juicy bits

I sometimes think this is what this Historical Sex abuse is really about

Perhaps we should have just kept the News Of The World...oh well

Now then listen to this.the police got a call from the bbc saying"we know you are going to raid Sir Cliffs house.The police thought that because the bbc knew this it was safe to release Sir Cliffs name.(they presumed that everybody knew)But the BBC had not told anybody.SO the police are at fault.Now in law the State has to protect itself.SO if there are no charges taken against Sir Cliff the state is doing its job of protecting itself.now im not saying Sir Cliff is innocent or guilty of any charges but can you understand that the state will not want to get involved in a trial that indirectly will be caused by an error by the state itself.AND the brittish justice system is There to protect the state .So the advice from the state justice representitives will be to drop the whole case in order to protect the state.

The release of Sir Cliff's name was deliberate in an effort to stop any investigation and thus protect the guilty party or parties; they are the only ones to gain from such a breach of confidence. I suggest that either 1.Politicians wanted it stopped and used the compliant BBC, or 2. Old Bill was naive regarding the actions of the BBC or complicit.

Can't we give this a rest?...........who cares anyway?

apologies gery, too much beer - my first for a few weeks, so probably had a disproportionate effect 

that notwithstanding, the PIE was in the news very recently re its affiliation to the then National Council for Civil Liberties (now Liberty)

^ back in the 70s and 80s when future labour stars Harriet Harman and Patricia Hewitt were leading members

'Can't we give this a rest?...........who cares anyway?'.......................

I suspect plenty of victims care, dewey

I suspect plenty of alleged victims care

no, I suspect plenty of actual victims care

yes you are right ^^

worded it wrongly^^

Al Dente
     17 Aug 14 21:33   

The release of Sir Cliff's name was deliberate in an effort to stop any investigation and thus protect the guilty party or parties; they are the only ones to gain from such a breach of confidence. I suggest that either 1.Politicians wanted it stopped and used the compliant BBC, or 2. Old Bill was naive regarding the actions of the BBC or complicit



As I said earlier on the thread,it absolutely stinks the whole thing was pre planned and no doubt we will have lord Mc Alpine proportion similarities,the whole thing looks a setup to get Richards out of the public eye once and forgood..

Didn't mean to tread on your toes thegiggilo, just being more specific.

the mainstream UK press are 100% complicit and will never publish what they know

this was a good read

http://rt.com/op-edge/180616-british-home-secretary-child-abuse/

'We're all going on a summer holiday' 

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http://i59.tinypic.com/5bqvlv.jpg

1) Surely if he's not been arrested and it's just a house search, the reporting is of the search. If at some time he is arrested on suspicion of whatever, then there's a change of legal niceties releasing his name.

2) I took little interest in the actual searching. IIRC Warrants have a limited lifespan, either from issue or from execution. Therefore you would need an appropriate number of officers to do the search. Got to assume it's not some pokey little place he's got there.

3) As for them searching 'behind deckchairs', you want a proper search done don't you?

4) I think it would be very unlikely that he could be arrested, let alone charged over a single accusation for something of this nature. Get a number of allegations all citing a similar method, action or distinguishing feature and there's more chance there's something to it.

5) It doesn't matter if it's a Sir or some scrote with a part-time McJob, if serious allegations are made about them, even if historic, those allegations - unless obviously malicious or false - should be investigated.

The police conduct in relation to advertising it is now under investigation.

half on here think Cliff is being fitted up(inc me)

and the other half think there is a cover up

of course there must an investigation, as normal police procedure

Apparently more people have come forward, which presumably was the main point of the circus. It will be interesting to see if they support the original allegation -- which on the face of it seems unlikely, since you'd have thought Cliff would be too busy being starstruck by Billy Graham, although unlike Rolf, at least he can be placed at the scene -- or allege different incidents going back over the years, which would indicate a pattern.

Arrogant people who abuse their position and bring suffering to innocent people deserve all they get. If there is evidence ,let's hope it can be proved and appropriate  justice is metered out.

how can searching someone house when alleged crime was years ago help investigation?

I guess plod is looking for evidence he is still at it, or hoping he's kept photographic evidence from the 80s.

another beloved 73 year old pop star [unnamed] was in the papers back in February.

.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2550486/Beloved-pop-star-abused-10-year-old-boy-Alleged-victim-witness-spoken-Savile-police-officers.html

The pop star is accused of abuse dating back several decades. Police are examining a number of witness statements alleging historical sex assaults by him, it was claimed yesterday.

The musician, who cannot be named for legal reasons, is said to be petrified of being arrested by detectives and has recently held a number of frantic meetings with his lawyers.

Yesterday a source close to the inquiry said: ‘This is huge, and detectives are examining more than one witness statement. The alleged victim was very young at the time, which makes it a more serious allegation. This inquiry is not going to go away, and police will make arrests when they feel they have enough to do so.’

@A_T re Daily Mail report from February.

All good stuff but surely this bit would apply to an innocent person falsely accused at least as much as a guilty one: petrified of being arrested by detectives and has recently held a number of frantic meetings with his lawyers.

More interestingly, the first and third paragraphs do not tie up: in the third paragraph, the unnamed police or CPS source appears to be saying there is more than one witness to a single incident, rather than there having been lots of different incidents as the first paragraph implies.

there is no contradiction: one victim may have been assaulted more than once

I always thought Cliff was simply gay but did not like to come out, someone in his position should be wading though groupies over the decades and he just had nothing which for a pop star is mighty odd.

unless it was Sir Cliff that felt compelled to  give some serious news to jill dando about certain people and the People they talked about found out and served cold revenge.i am only guessing this from stories that go round,i have no proof of this it may be gossip.but there is no smoke without fire.

Takes two to Tango - springs to mind........bandwagon rolling on.

my problem with the whole story is this and its  a very valid point.IF the story is true about Jill Dando knowing about some evil people and was about to blow their cover before she was killed(that is supposed to be the story)why would see remain a close friend of Sir Cliff.(if he was doing wrong)

There's no smoke without fire you say brassneck. What about a smoke bomb?
It's went very quiet and wouldn't surprise me if no charges were brought.

Lock him up!

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lock all his songs up

If Cilla stands by Cliff then that's good enough for me... guilty.

no moves - really

When it is all over,and if cliff is not guilty,we are in for some ear bashing songs wherever we go."when I young my father said,son I have something to say"and what he told me il never forget until my dying day"ALL TOGETHER NOW he said son.............................

Cliff has got Cilla's backing. That's worrying

Could be worse brassneck. Cilla night release an updated rap version of Anyone who had a heart.

interviewed by police under caution

its taking its toll,looks about 150 years old

Does Cecil Parkinson like the music of Cliff Richard?