Winner .c om - Does human form exist on there?

Hello dnb from the darts forum.

Hasn't anyone replied to your post?

I will ttt it for you

Looks like an issue they are taking a while to check out.

Thanks MD

WINNER.COM - ONE TO AVOID !!!

After doing a bit of online research it looks like this company is one big sham.

Seems i'm not alone in chasing them for answers. The £10 fleecing isn't a problem but imagine the 1,000's of cumstomers in a much worse predicament than me!

I'm slightly aggrieved as i usually seek approval on the (darts) forum of unfamiliar online bookies before signing up. On this occasion i didn't.

P.S. I've done all i can - Been ignored since my first chat response. No one answers the Phone, and I have now emailed asking when the funds will be in my account

They're not regulated with IBAS but some dodgy outfit in Antigua & Bermuda

http://www.bookmakersforum.com/bookmakers/winnercom-complaint/223

stick with the big names, they might not take a big bet but spread it about and at least you'll get paid out

I've never heard of them. Offering 3/1 about a heavy odds on shot would set alarm bells ringing, even with a small max.

Some of these companies pi55 me off, quick and easy to deposit funds but you need columbo's help when it comes to taking money out. It's just not worth the bother.

One other thing you could try, is to send a pm to a poster called Paul Haigh - Total Respect. He helps with punter disputes, and seems like a decent fellow.

I think you've done your money but at least you learned your lesson cheaply. I wish my lessons were learned as cheaply.

Sounds like they have taken flight with your money.

I received a reply!

Thank you for your email.

We (Winner.c om) regret to inform you that you did not qualify for the Enhanced odds offer we had for Kingman as you only deposited £10.

Please note that it was outlined in the terms and conditions of the promotion that you have to deposit at least £25 or more to qualify.

What a load of bollocks!

Simple solution...Turn my £14 balance into £20 and try withdrawing it? (£20 min withdrawal).
Watch this space!

Back your £14 at a high price on Winner and lay off on Betfair. Use http://www.freebets4all.com/automatcher/ to get 2 odds that are close together. Hopefully the Winner bet loses but you'll win on Betfair. You should be able to win around £13.

Far less risk just to find 2 shorties and do the same, not much to gain by using big odds but a great deal to lose if the bet kops at the winner end. Big odds only really beneficial when working through free bets, bonuses etc

You don't want to win on Winner as you'll have to go through the KYC process. They seem reluctant to pay out in the first place and will probably put more hurdles in place. That automatcher is a good site, I use it a lot. You can find odds that are pretty close together and all you'll lose is your 5% commission for winning on Betfair. For the £14 you will only lose around £1 but not have the hassle of withdrawing from Winner. It does require a few £££ tied up on here.

They think they have you over a barrel

i dont approve of being had over a barrel in the gambling industry

I think they are lying to you. Sounds like a load of bull to me.

Were you hoping to Winmau

dnb clearly on a flight of fantasy

oche, enough of this pun nonsense.

^^^^^

GAY MON

They have a promo make 10 bets on US Sports for a free one. You have to see the T&Cs to see that they need to be IP bets

When one takes up these new account offers, one has to go through the T & C`s with a comb before accepting them. The £25 min deposit to get the offer is probably right.

Got an email from Paddy Poor, stake £20 on the Premiership Goalscorer market and get a £2 free bet for every goal he scores. Thought it was a brilliant offer as I do a lot of "matched betting" and I can turn each £2 into £1.70 risk free gambling - if you pick the right player you could have £30 of free bets over the course of the season but I reckoned it was break even at worst.

When I read the T/C I had to gamble £10 each month which I won't do (I'm a nit). Not so great value imo.

Always read the T/C, these site's don't give away money lightly.

Oh and I joined winner's poker site today as they give a free £10. Turns out you can only play one game type and have no way of cashing in any winnings unless you deposit

There is free money out there if you look hard enough

I know it's on the I-Poker network, I play there a lot. I had a torrid weekend losing £50 although I managed to turn it around winning £60 on WH late last night. I only opened a Winner account because I was getting a free £10 from Pokerstrategy. When I lose I go back to my freeroll roots and the Winner offer was just so I wasn't risking my own cash to plug a few leaks. The Winner offer is a con though and you can only play a Winner specific game until you deposit and you have no means of taking your winnings to any other games.

As the OP hints at they are a sham outfit that don't want to pay out, I've encountered a few sites like that over the years. There are some decent site's though, Paddy Poor gave me a no strings $5 and I've since bought a bedroom TV from the winnings and am bankrolled for $11 games on the site so it is possible to get free money if you look around. I done the same on Betfair this time last year from freerolls even though I had cash in my sportsbook. There's plenty of free money if you look around.

I would never chip dump to any player or myself. I've several decent bankrolls tied up and wouldn't risk losing any of them. There is a way though to play different I-Poker skins at the same time. sandboxie allows you to take up several I-Poker promotions at the same time. Boyle has a €1k added while Paddy has a $1k added both running at the same time. I love a bit of free money and always look for added games like these Only problem is you can only run HEM on one skin.

It put me on tilt when I first started using the HUD but now I can't do without it. I pick up tells that I normally wouldn't otherwise. It gives me a good indication of what type of opponent I'm up against and I can adapt my game to theirs. A nit for example will only raise really strong hands so I can fold or adapt my play better on the flop. Against a whale I can give less respect, I can call him down with middle pair for example. I don't play on Stars much although I've a bankroll there but I was having trouble with one reg in the 45 man SnGs. At that time Sharkscope was open and he was 2nd in profits on a leaderboard but he played every table going and I couldn't avoid him. He was pretty decent but when I checked into HEM I found my fold to 3 bet was very high. I started 4 betting him more and the problems stopped.

HEM is most useful for analysing your own stats, you can plug leaks and work out which hands are profitable and from what position and at what blind level. There are so many things to look into on every aspect of your own and opponents game. I really can't recommend it enough and the $100 spent has been repaid many times over. I've now close to $1M hands on myself and my game has changed a lot over the past few years. It's pretty complicated to set up and use but when you get the hang of it, it's indespesible. If you don't use one, your better opponents certainly are. If you've already tried it out and used up your trial, try uninstalling it with the Revo uninstaller and you might be able to get another 30 days.

I hit the Dirty Dozen Jackpot last month and I've come close a few times. I'm bankrolled for €5 and €10 games but those Jackpots are whale filled and there's a lot of dead money.

For the low/ mid stakes player there's much value on I-Poker. I play across a few skins and take up a few offers. I've a 30% **** deal on here but I'm finding better value on PP and WH. I take what I can from a site, It all adds up.

Thanks Ovalman & co.

I found a 100% book on the tennis and i've put my Winner.c om bank on Tereza Smitkova @ 2/1, and backed Heather Watson @ 1/2 with Paddy.

Hope Heather wins so i never have to deal with Winner again.
They even want personal documents before allowing a withdrawal (If they let you have your money)...no thank you!

P.S. Very lame darts puns

I put £50 on winner on a golf bet that lost but after ringing them to complain that they hadn't put me £50 free bet into my account they did just that . I then put said £50 on Rory to win the open @16/1....didn't think they would pay but they did ! 800 smackers!

Spent a hour chasing up a withdrawal I made via Quickcash in a Billy Hills shop earlier, I then spent 30 minutes with online support getting them to pay me a £15 free bet I earned as part of their poker promotions.

They certainly don't like paying it out!

i opened an account with this mob a few months ago my min withdraw is £200 wtf is that about?

Dearest Heather won so i won't be going near "Winner" again,
even if they are best price for any of my darts bets