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If it carries on much longer there will be nothing left standing for Israel to bomb.
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Collective punishment is a war crime.
Strongly evidenced by the destruction of Gaza's only power station. If that's not deliberately targeting innocents, what is?
Strongly evidenced by the destruction of Gaza's only power station. If that's not deliberately targeting innocents, what is?
Alias clearly carries the day. There's no coming back from being called a fascist. Even if his argument is complete nonsense the accusation of being a fascist always wins out. It's the royal flush of forum discourse.
Eeternaloptimist
You nutters can post the same line as many times as you like. Provide the evidence that Israel is deliberately killing women and children. Not that they are lacking caution or have been negligent in their approach. Give us definitive evidence. If you don't have it shut your cake holes and think before you post in future.
Just for you:
http://www.adsagainstapartheid.com/video-cnn-camera-captures-israeli-sniper-killing-defenseless-palestinian-teens/
You nutters can post the same line as many times as you like. Provide the evidence that Israel is deliberately killing women and children. Not that they are lacking caution or have been negligent in their approach. Give us definitive evidence. If you don't have it shut your cake holes and think before you post in future.
Just for you:
http://www.adsagainstapartheid.com/video-cnn-camera-captures-israeli-sniper-killing-defenseless-palestinian-teens/
You didn't use the words themselves but it is clear you had the final solution in mind with your reference to what the Nazis did in Warsaw with the Jews which was an integral part of the final solution.
I didn't mention the Jews either, just WARSAW UPRISING. And no, what you refer to was not "an integral part of the final solution", and my inference was obvious - a people captive, CONCENTRATED and incarcerated in a relatively small area, unable to escape either captivity or attack by their oppressors.
What a disingenuous, deranged wretch you are.
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Well probably because when you think of commies you think of evil but of course let's not forget the sainted Nelson or should I say multi millionaire man of the people Mandela?
He might've been the richest man on earth, but it was immaterial while being imprisoned by your Nazi chums for 27 years.
I didn't mention the Jews either, just WARSAW UPRISING. And no, what you refer to was not "an integral part of the final solution", and my inference was obvious - a people captive, CONCENTRATED and incarcerated in a relatively small area, unable to escape either captivity or attack by their oppressors.
What a disingenuous, deranged wretch you are.
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Well probably because when you think of commies you think of evil but of course let's not forget the sainted Nelson or should I say multi millionaire man of the people Mandela?
He might've been the richest man on earth, but it was immaterial while being imprisoned by your Nazi chums for 27 years.
Oay gentlemen you asked for it:
First tiptheodds:
You cite evidence of an Israeli sniper shooting civilians. I don't see the evidence of where this is official Israeli policy. Where is it? At worst this is one person committing what could well be murder. Simple as that.According to th report a colleague of his snatched away the weapon. Doesn't suggest a policy to me. Does it to you? If you shoot your neighbour I wouldn't expect the world to accuse Britain of having a policy of murdering civilians. Find me the requested evidence or zip it. I will not in all conscience allow you to hold Israel to higher standards than others because they happen to be Jews.
Try again. Better next time.
First tiptheodds:
You cite evidence of an Israeli sniper shooting civilians. I don't see the evidence of where this is official Israeli policy. Where is it? At worst this is one person committing what could well be murder. Simple as that.According to th report a colleague of his snatched away the weapon. Doesn't suggest a policy to me. Does it to you? If you shoot your neighbour I wouldn't expect the world to accuse Britain of having a policy of murdering civilians. Find me the requested evidence or zip it. I will not in all conscience allow you to hold Israel to higher standards than others because they happen to be Jews.
Try again. Better next time.
Alias
Let's not get sidetracked by Mandela who became a great statesman. I'll just make the simple statement that a true communist doesn't leave millions in his will. See if you can work that out yourself. Once again I'll leave your ad hominem attacks and comments linking me to Nazis to one side. They are the actions of a desperate man but keep it up and I will lay waste to you on that issue as well.
On this specific issue you're dancing. Pause for a moment. Either you were referencing Warsaw with reference to the Jews or you weren't. My guess is you were. Correct me if I'm wrong. I've already explained why the comparison is so far off the mark as to be otiose but allow me to remind you of the salient facts:
Many hundreds of thousands were crowded into inhumane conditions in Warsaw on a proverbial postage stamp. Gaza is incomparably bigger in comparison to space and numbers and over many years has been in receipt of more aid from Israel than the vast majority of the worlds other nations. There is also a long list of other assistance Israel has provided to the Palestinians which I put up on the politics forum and where nobody was able to rebut a single one. Totally different.
The Warsaw ghetto was implemented to facilitate the final solution. You may not like that apparently being a Jew hater but hey history is history. The Jews were there as a prelude to being murdered. The Palestinians are not. Totally different.
The Jews had no say in what was happening. The situation in Gaza is again incomparable. It was under military occuption by Egypt until the late 60's. A decade ago Israel gave it the right to self governance and did so unilaterally despite being repeatedly subjected to rocket attacks. Would Egypt have allowed that? Who knows but they didn't when they had the chance. Them's yer muslim brothers sucker. Totally different.
The walls which Israel has built have been done to help prevent the inconceivably horrendous suicide bombs which were ripping their people apart. They wanted the nutters kept out of Israel. The Nazis wanted the Jews kept in Warsaw prior to their mass slaughter. Totally different.
There is no evidence of any policy of Israel deliberately killing or targeting civilians. That was the whole reason for the final solution. Totally different.
Estimates vary but up to six million Jews were systematically murdered by the Nazis as a part of a deliberate policy. At the most a few thousand Palestinian civilians have been killed with the vast majority of these dying as I said through negligence or in an attempt to get the fundamentalist nutters hiding in their midst but none as far as I know as a deliberate attempt by the Israeli state to wipe out the Palestinians en masse. Totally different.
And now on to the height of your pi55 poor argument:
and my inference was obvious - a people captive, CONCENTRATED and incarcerated in a relatively small area, unable to escape either captivity or attack by their oppressors.
War is shiit. All war. Civilians often find themselves in such situations when conflict arises. They are often seen in their hundreds of thousands as collateral damage. Our own country is guilty of this as are many of the western powers. During WW2 we took it in turns to deliberately lay waste to whole cities which had no strategic military use other than to demolarise the populace.
It's not for me to tell the Palestinian people how to order their society but I wouldn't think it wise to allow terrorist organisations to operate in their midst from their schools and hospitals. If they do that it is a dangerous situation to put themselves in because obviously Israel are going to seek to target these terrorist nutters to prevent them targeting Israeli civilians. I can see why the terrorist nutters do this. A dead civilian is a good civilian for propaganda purposes. Especially a Paalestinian. While I'm at it, and it is just a thought, but maybe they should think about stopping firing rockets into Israel, fill in the terror tunnels, renounce Hamas and get all reference to the elimination of the State Of Israel removed from all literature. You see? There does seem to be a way to work through this situation to a workable solution and not a final one. The Jews also had a choice under the Nazis. They could die slowly or quickly. Totally different.
Just a thought. Who knows they may find Israel a more amenable neighbour? And if they aren't I'd guess there would be a lot less sympathy for Israel and more for the Palestinians.
This is another sucker I'm done with. Drag him out and send me another if anybody can find one. Preferably one with a little more intelligence and less prone to hissy fits.
By the way none of this is any kind of claim that Israel hasn't acted badly here both from a humanitarian perspective and indeed in facilitating a lasting settlement. But I ain't taking a speck out of the Jews eye while the beam sits there in their enemy combatants eyes. That is just not cricket.
Let's not get sidetracked by Mandela who became a great statesman. I'll just make the simple statement that a true communist doesn't leave millions in his will. See if you can work that out yourself. Once again I'll leave your ad hominem attacks and comments linking me to Nazis to one side. They are the actions of a desperate man but keep it up and I will lay waste to you on that issue as well.
On this specific issue you're dancing. Pause for a moment. Either you were referencing Warsaw with reference to the Jews or you weren't. My guess is you were. Correct me if I'm wrong. I've already explained why the comparison is so far off the mark as to be otiose but allow me to remind you of the salient facts:
Many hundreds of thousands were crowded into inhumane conditions in Warsaw on a proverbial postage stamp. Gaza is incomparably bigger in comparison to space and numbers and over many years has been in receipt of more aid from Israel than the vast majority of the worlds other nations. There is also a long list of other assistance Israel has provided to the Palestinians which I put up on the politics forum and where nobody was able to rebut a single one. Totally different.
The Warsaw ghetto was implemented to facilitate the final solution. You may not like that apparently being a Jew hater but hey history is history. The Jews were there as a prelude to being murdered. The Palestinians are not. Totally different.
The Jews had no say in what was happening. The situation in Gaza is again incomparable. It was under military occuption by Egypt until the late 60's. A decade ago Israel gave it the right to self governance and did so unilaterally despite being repeatedly subjected to rocket attacks. Would Egypt have allowed that? Who knows but they didn't when they had the chance. Them's yer muslim brothers sucker. Totally different.
The walls which Israel has built have been done to help prevent the inconceivably horrendous suicide bombs which were ripping their people apart. They wanted the nutters kept out of Israel. The Nazis wanted the Jews kept in Warsaw prior to their mass slaughter. Totally different.
There is no evidence of any policy of Israel deliberately killing or targeting civilians. That was the whole reason for the final solution. Totally different.
Estimates vary but up to six million Jews were systematically murdered by the Nazis as a part of a deliberate policy. At the most a few thousand Palestinian civilians have been killed with the vast majority of these dying as I said through negligence or in an attempt to get the fundamentalist nutters hiding in their midst but none as far as I know as a deliberate attempt by the Israeli state to wipe out the Palestinians en masse. Totally different.
And now on to the height of your pi55 poor argument:
and my inference was obvious - a people captive, CONCENTRATED and incarcerated in a relatively small area, unable to escape either captivity or attack by their oppressors.
War is shiit. All war. Civilians often find themselves in such situations when conflict arises. They are often seen in their hundreds of thousands as collateral damage. Our own country is guilty of this as are many of the western powers. During WW2 we took it in turns to deliberately lay waste to whole cities which had no strategic military use other than to demolarise the populace.
It's not for me to tell the Palestinian people how to order their society but I wouldn't think it wise to allow terrorist organisations to operate in their midst from their schools and hospitals. If they do that it is a dangerous situation to put themselves in because obviously Israel are going to seek to target these terrorist nutters to prevent them targeting Israeli civilians. I can see why the terrorist nutters do this. A dead civilian is a good civilian for propaganda purposes. Especially a Paalestinian. While I'm at it, and it is just a thought, but maybe they should think about stopping firing rockets into Israel, fill in the terror tunnels, renounce Hamas and get all reference to the elimination of the State Of Israel removed from all literature. You see? There does seem to be a way to work through this situation to a workable solution and not a final one. The Jews also had a choice under the Nazis. They could die slowly or quickly. Totally different.
Just a thought. Who knows they may find Israel a more amenable neighbour? And if they aren't I'd guess there would be a lot less sympathy for Israel and more for the Palestinians.
This is another sucker I'm done with. Drag him out and send me another if anybody can find one. Preferably one with a little more intelligence and less prone to hissy fits.
By the way none of this is any kind of claim that Israel hasn't acted badly here both from a humanitarian perspective and indeed in facilitating a lasting settlement. But I ain't taking a speck out of the Jews eye while the beam sits there in their enemy combatants eyes. That is just not cricket.
Did anyone see the two interviews with Hamas "bigwigs" on TV in the last few days.One was on Hard Talk with the Hamas leader,the other on Ch4 news with the Hamas spokesman. Neither of these guys seemed capable or willing to answer a straight question.They just rambled on about what happened in 1948 etc.The Hamas leader was asked "Why do you store weapons in schools and hospitals?". His answer was "This is all lies spread by Israel". When told these weapons had been seen by UN inspectors,he just changed the subject.Both interviews well worth watching.Full of bluff,waffle and bluster and incredible evasiveness.
We have seen again for the 25th is it ? day in a row , what Israel are made of.
Lose a couple of soldiers in combat , and what is their reaction ?
That's right , level a village with tank fire killing anywhere between 40- and 100 people.
Their game plan is there for the world to see now, a 3k wide strip of land (44% of Gaza ) has been levelled and occupied (maybe permanently )
The world sits and watches genocide and ethnic cleansing taking place and does nothing.
Meanwhile a handful of racist bigots on betfair forum defend the indefensible.
Shame on them.
Lose a couple of soldiers in combat , and what is their reaction ?
That's right , level a village with tank fire killing anywhere between 40- and 100 people.
Their game plan is there for the world to see now, a 3k wide strip of land (44% of Gaza ) has been levelled and occupied (maybe permanently )
The world sits and watches genocide and ethnic cleansing taking place and does nothing.
Meanwhile a handful of racist bigots on betfair forum defend the indefensible.
Shame on them.
What are Israel supposed to do if Hamas won't stop firing rockets at them ?
The Hamas leader was asked "Why do you store weapons in schools and hospitals?". His answer was "This is all lies spread by Israel". When told these weapons had been seen by UN inspectors,he just changed the subject.Both interviews well worth watching.Full of bluff,waffle and bluster and incredible evasiveness.
If a terrorist network stockpiled RPGs in the school near me I wouldn't approve of the military taking upon themselves to flatten the entire neighbourhood
If a terrorist network stockpiled RPGs in the school near me I wouldn't approve of the military taking upon themselves to flatten the entire neighbourhood
Do you think Israel will stop Hamas by creating thousands of orphans?
I would, if it was Tower Hamlets. Let's hope they pinpoint the Mayor and his cronies as well!
It isn't necessarily naive artie. You, me and most decent westerners see the world and life in a certain way which allows us to rub along. One of which is that we come for equity with clean hands. Within that is a degree of honesty. One thing you need to know about fundamentalists and extreme left wingers, who are their fellow travellers, is that honesty and accuracy are not only optional but often actively to be subverted. That is a central part of Marxist doctrine.
Irish
Prior to Israel invading how long have rockets been fired into Israel and in all that time how many posts have you submitted to the forum condemning the activity?
In all the time the Israeli civilians were subject to suicide bombings how many posts did you submit to the forum condemning the activity?
If you can't remember exactly a rough guess will suffice.
I'll guess none.
Over to you.
Prior to Israel invading how long have rockets been fired into Israel and in all that time how many posts have you submitted to the forum condemning the activity?
In all the time the Israeli civilians were subject to suicide bombings how many posts did you submit to the forum condemning the activity?
If you can't remember exactly a rough guess will suffice.
I'll guess none.
Over to you.
Hard to understand that irish C calls others racist bigots when he is clearly the biggest racist to post on here, I have asked him on a couple of occasions to deny he is a Jew hater which even through gritted teeth he cannot bring himself to do, he uses the excuse that he wont reply to the likes of me so maybe someone else on here would ask him to deny it ?
Are you a Jew hater Irish? Just for the record of course.
Again - they fall back on anti Semitism as a defence for barbarism. Pathetic and shameful. I have said nothing bigoted against Jews I have only ever spoken about Israels actions.
Unlike eternaloptimist who made a racist comment last night about asylum seekers when speaking of Palestinians.
His friend call me a taxi declared it would be best to destroy all Muslim countries .
So that's the bottom line - white English gentlemen of a certain age - unashamed of their racism and allowed to parrot it here continuously month after month.
Shameful.
Unlike eternaloptimist who made a racist comment last night about asylum seekers when speaking of Palestinians.
His friend call me a taxi declared it would be best to destroy all Muslim countries .
So that's the bottom line - white English gentlemen of a certain age - unashamed of their racism and allowed to parrot it here continuously month after month.
Shameful.
You've used a lot of words not to answer the question Irish which was very clear:
Are you a Jew hater?
Also I think everybody is aware of your bizarre view of what constitutes racism so please clarify where I was racist against the Palestinian people?
Are you a Jew hater?
Also I think everybody is aware of your bizarre view of what constitutes racism so please clarify where I was racist against the Palestinian people?
You are a Muslim hater .
Your opinion on this conflict is meaningless. You have 25 k posts mostly about immigration and Muslims.
You are a very sick man . You claim to have a disabled wife in a wheelchair but yet you are here 24/7 posting racist drivel.
I am not a Jew hater , I hope you are happy.
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Your opinion on this conflict is meaningless. You have 25 k posts mostly about immigration and Muslims.
You are a very sick man . You claim to have a disabled wife in a wheelchair but yet you are here 24/7 posting racist drivel.
I am not a Jew hater , I hope you are happy.
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I'd get some therapy for that anger if I were you Irish. It could burn you up. By the way I don't hate Muslims and I'm not unsympathetic even to some of the thoughts of those who normal people would class as nutters. I certainly don't think we are without responsibility for radicalising ssome of these people.
can anybody tell me why the Americans are such a big ally of Israel? I don't get it, other than buying weapons I don't get the link. Israel don't even have any oil
because the jewish lobby in america provides finance to the government/parties
Jews are always sweet and innocent . I know that , you know that . we all know that .
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-when-genocide-is-permissible-article-removed-from-the-times-of-israel-website-9643888.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-when-genocide-is-permissible-article-removed-from-the-times-of-israel-website-9643888.html
Saw a news report- Ben Gurion airport
one of Hamas rockets shook guys latte
one of Hamas rockets shook guys latte
Who made this video ?
Jews do not behave like this !!!!
Do they ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGbV_rXmS1M
Jews do not behave like this !!!!
Do they ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGbV_rXmS1M
saying he is NOT a Jew Hater has gone to his head, he's in overdrive now to correct his obvious mistake in writing it.
You see pumphol , everybody should see the truth.
You cannot hide behind anti Semitism accusations , to deflect from the truth.
I just wanted to share two examples of what is really happening.
First a Jewish newspaper in New York publishes an article that says genocide is permissible.
Second is just a video to show the ethnic cleansing in Hebron . Pure naked hatred for everybody to witness.
You cannot hide behind anti Semitism accusations , to deflect from the truth.
I just wanted to share two examples of what is really happening.
First a Jewish newspaper in New York publishes an article that says genocide is permissible.
Second is just a video to show the ethnic cleansing in Hebron . Pure naked hatred for everybody to witness.
Your right there is no deflecting from the fact you plainly hate Jews, your previous two posts should really have said Israelis but I suppose Jews is quicker to write.
yes, America, where 2% of the population run everthing
you've got to love the irony of Israel's treatment of Palestine, isn't killing civilians like this classed as murder?
you've got to love the irony of Israel's treatment of Palestine, isn't killing civilians like this classed as murder?
Often stuff is posted about the holocaust denial - it causes outrage and rightly so.
Who denies this treatment of the Palestinians ?
Will they say in years to come they never knew it was happening ?
Who denies this treatment of the Palestinians ?
Will they say in years to come they never knew it was happening ?
I know you've been busy spewing forth your bile against Jews Irish but I did ask you to point out where I had been racist to Palestinians. Or is it a case of fling enough mud and hope some sticks? Or in your case whatever you can scrape out of your back passage?
What treatment of the Palestinians is it you think is being denied Irish and how does it compare to the systematic slaughter of 6 million people?
You are a troll and will be treated as such ( I see you logged off as Mexico and came back as eternaloptimist )
Did you watch the video about ethnic cleansing in Hebron ?
Is that anti Semitism or is it just showing the truth ?
You made some sick comment about asylum seekers in a bedroom in regards to Palestinians .
I wont converse with you again, you are a discredited racist in my book.
Farewell.
Did you watch the video about ethnic cleansing in Hebron ?
Is that anti Semitism or is it just showing the truth ?
You made some sick comment about asylum seekers in a bedroom in regards to Palestinians .
I wont converse with you again, you are a discredited racist in my book.
Farewell.
I think you have the wrong person there Irish. I'll let it go because you are clearly on the verge here of something cataclysmic. Feel free not to converse with me again if that suits you. It shows a degree of wisdom on your part. I wouldn't want to tangle with a guy who was ripping me a new one all the time either. I hope your limp gets better soon and you stop needing pampers.
I see you logged off as Mexico and came back as eternaloptimist
Aliases are more your style Mad Lad but before you limp away could you point me to where and when this was? I don't see any posts from mexico here.
Aliases are more your style Mad Lad but before you limp away could you point me to where and when this was? I don't see any posts from mexico here.
I blame the weather Burton. Too hot for him. It's crazy time, Irish is driving the bus and the aircon is broken. Somebody is going to have to pay.
must be uncomfortable this weather stood next to one of those greasy kebab machines
Think of the flies. They must hate being next to Mad Lad.
The civilian death toll so far according to the UN.Although now, it's surely more.
Palestine civilian dead: At least 852, of whom 252 are children.
Israeli civilian dead : 2
http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/ocha_opt_sitrep_01_08_2014.pdf
Palestine civilian dead: At least 852, of whom 252 are children.
Israeli civilian dead : 2
http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/ocha_opt_sitrep_01_08_2014.pdf
"The civilian death toll so far according to the UN.Although now, it's surely more."
According to UNHCR? Who in gaza are almost entirely made up of locally appointed arabs? In an area Hamas has violently cleansed of all political opposition? Where even peaceful protesters are executed? And the so called free press are threatened and intimidated into redacting unfavourable reports and posts?
Hamas aren't even palestinian arab, they are a franchise cooked up by the muslim brotherhood to escalate a front for the jihad, it's directives come mainly from qatar (al jazeera doing their bit too) and turkey. For them the more dead palestinian babies they can dangle in front of the cameras the better, by whatever means necessary.
And 250,000 allegedly and temporarily displaced? Poor showing compared to the permanent stats from the Syrian branch, or even the iraqi outlet which has only just launched it's new campaign. The egypt branch floundering a bit tho...
According to UNHCR? Who in gaza are almost entirely made up of locally appointed arabs? In an area Hamas has violently cleansed of all political opposition? Where even peaceful protesters are executed? And the so called free press are threatened and intimidated into redacting unfavourable reports and posts?
Hamas aren't even palestinian arab, they are a franchise cooked up by the muslim brotherhood to escalate a front for the jihad, it's directives come mainly from qatar (al jazeera doing their bit too) and turkey. For them the more dead palestinian babies they can dangle in front of the cameras the better, by whatever means necessary.
And 250,000 allegedly and temporarily displaced? Poor showing compared to the permanent stats from the Syrian branch, or even the iraqi outlet which has only just launched it's new campaign. The egypt branch floundering a bit tho...
in reply to the OP
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-moral-clarity-in-gaza/2014/07/17/0adabe0c-0de4-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-moral-clarity-in-gaza/2014/07/17/0adabe0c-0de4-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.html
ABsolute rubbish polybot.
You are trying to deny the civilian death toll ? A shameful new low.
Only one side are in Cairo for peace talks , and its not Israel with flowers in their hair.
No Israel are again busy this morning killing women and babies in another UN shelter in Rafah.
You are trying to deny the civilian death toll ? A shameful new low.
Only one side are in Cairo for peace talks , and its not Israel with flowers in their hair.
No Israel are again busy this morning killing women and babies in another UN shelter in Rafah.
aren't Hamas effectively a terrorist organisation? it seems very wrong to kill thousands of civilians just because they happen to live in Gaza, by attacking Gaza the chances of killing a Hamas member has got to be tiny. Or does Hamas represent the Palestinians?
The LEADER OF HAMAS is sitting in a 5 star hotel in QATAR.
Guess Israel dont want to blow up a 5 star hotel. Not many Palestinians there. Lots of westerners probably.
Guess Israel dont want to blow up a 5 star hotel. Not many Palestinians there. Lots of westerners probably.
so which bits are rubbish?
in addition, the entire conflict was brought about by hamas firing hundreds of rockets, by hamas kidnapping 3 kids, torturing and murdering them, by Hamas rushing to break ceasefires, by hamas spending millions of dollars and the lives 160 child labourers to build tunnels into civilian israeli areas with only one possible use
israel gains nothing from this war, yet hamas gains ever more support, legitimacy and cash from rubes like you with every dead baby they parade in front of the cameras. Hardly the actions of those who just want peace and justice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWGIR6s_nDE&list=UUpBvIBfZ-foo5ZbLH5O0N4g
in addition, the entire conflict was brought about by hamas firing hundreds of rockets, by hamas kidnapping 3 kids, torturing and murdering them, by Hamas rushing to break ceasefires, by hamas spending millions of dollars and the lives 160 child labourers to build tunnels into civilian israeli areas with only one possible use
israel gains nothing from this war, yet hamas gains ever more support, legitimacy and cash from rubes like you with every dead baby they parade in front of the cameras. Hardly the actions of those who just want peace and justice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWGIR6s_nDE&list=UUpBvIBfZ-foo5ZbLH5O0N4g
First the entire conflict was not brought about by Hamas , many would say the opposite and say it was engineered by Israel who wanted to bring down the unity agreement between Hamas and Fatah.
Second it is accepted by all sides that Hamas did not sanction the kidnap of those kids , it was done by people outside their control. By the way they were not tortured but shot within minutes of being taken. In response Israeli forces went to the house of the mother of a suspect and blew it up with dynamite.Israel then broke their agreement of the Shilat deal by re arresting 600 prisoners it had released and by killing 6 people in raids across the West bank. All the while stirring up racial hatred even though their intelligence already knew those boys were dead.
Who broke what ceasefires cannot be proven , what is certain is both sides broke them. Currently the Palestinians are the only side in Cairo for peace talks.You sound completely brainwashed and unable to study the conflict without demonising Hamas and the Palestinians .
What is complete and utter rubbish is for you to accuse the UN of doctoring figures of casualties in this war zone.
Only a complete and utter moron would stoop to that low when we can all see the truth unfolding before our eyes.
Second it is accepted by all sides that Hamas did not sanction the kidnap of those kids , it was done by people outside their control. By the way they were not tortured but shot within minutes of being taken. In response Israeli forces went to the house of the mother of a suspect and blew it up with dynamite.Israel then broke their agreement of the Shilat deal by re arresting 600 prisoners it had released and by killing 6 people in raids across the West bank. All the while stirring up racial hatred even though their intelligence already knew those boys were dead.
Who broke what ceasefires cannot be proven , what is certain is both sides broke them. Currently the Palestinians are the only side in Cairo for peace talks.You sound completely brainwashed and unable to study the conflict without demonising Hamas and the Palestinians .
What is complete and utter rubbish is for you to accuse the UN of doctoring figures of casualties in this war zone.
Only a complete and utter moron would stoop to that low when we can all see the truth unfolding before our eyes.
Aug 3, 2014 -- 11:09AM, polybot wrote:
so which bits are rubbish?in addition, the entire conflict was brought about by hamas firing hundreds of rockets, by hamas kidnapping 3 kids, torturing and murdering them, by Hamas rushing to break ceasefires, by hamas spending millions of dollars and the lives 160 child labourers to build tunnels into civilian israeli areas with only one possible useisrael gains nothing from this war, yet hamas gains ever more support, legitimacy and cash from rubes like you with every dead baby they parade in front of the cameras. Hardly the actions of those who just want peace and justice.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWGIR6s_nDE&list=UUpBvIBfZ-foo5ZbLH5O0N4g
hamas kidnapping 3 kids, torturing and murdering them - thats rubbish.
If 3 English students were kidnapped and killed in a republican area of Northern Ireland, should we respond to it in the same way Israel responded to their kidnapping situation?
I find politicians in this country (and some people) justifying things that they would never dream of doing in similar situations in Britain.
First, no, the IDF operation was IN RESPONSE to qassam rocket attacks from hamas. This is undisputed by all rational sources, and even by the UN. Besides there has been no real unity since hamas rousted fatah from gaza, killing over a hundred in the process, and given the comments of abbas, no real unity now.
Second, so you are saying it is not just hamas, even non-hamas aligned palestinians are committing terrorist acts?
It's relatively easy to prove who, and no, both sides can't break a ceasefire, a ceasefire is broken when one side breaks it, and after hamas broke 6 you can understand the israelis not wanting to walk into another pit.
And the UN figures, who reports it? How do they know if they died from hamas rockets that fell short or were collaborators or protesters executed by hamas?
Can you answer why the press were reporting hamas officials rushing in to clear missile debris evidence?
But as I've said, whether real numbers or not, for hamas the more deaths the better, and for them any man , woman or child will do, palestinian arab, israeli arab, israeli christian or israeli jew.
Second, so you are saying it is not just hamas, even non-hamas aligned palestinians are committing terrorist acts?
It's relatively easy to prove who, and no, both sides can't break a ceasefire, a ceasefire is broken when one side breaks it, and after hamas broke 6 you can understand the israelis not wanting to walk into another pit.
And the UN figures, who reports it? How do they know if they died from hamas rockets that fell short or were collaborators or protesters executed by hamas?
Can you answer why the press were reporting hamas officials rushing in to clear missile debris evidence?
But as I've said, whether real numbers or not, for hamas the more deaths the better, and for them any man , woman or child will do, palestinian arab, israeli arab, israeli christian or israeli jew.
polybot, two things:
how many Israelis have been killed by Hamas rockets? How many civilians have the IDF killed in reprisal?
Israel has illegally stolen land and homes belonging to Palestinians - ie invaded - so is Hamas not justified in fighting back? Were the partisans of WWII not justified in fighting back against the Germans?
how many Israelis have been killed by Hamas rockets? How many civilians have the IDF killed in reprisal?
Israel has illegally stolen land and homes belonging to Palestinians - ie invaded - so is Hamas not justified in fighting back? Were the partisans of WWII not justified in fighting back against the Germans?
SO hamas broke 6 ceasefires no less ? 
Who told you that ?
Are you on the ground to verify this ?
Maybe you can explain why just hours before the 72 hour ceasefire , Israel launched an all out attack on the town of Rafah ?
There is only one side killing children and you should be ashamed of your defence of this senseless murder.
Who told you that ?
Are you on the ground to verify this ?
Maybe you can explain why just hours before the 72 hour ceasefire , Israel launched an all out attack on the town of Rafah ?
There is only one side killing children and you should be ashamed of your defence of this senseless murder.
tiptheodds, as has been said, the israelis use rockets (iron dome) to defend their people, hamas use people to defend their rockets.
In answer to both questions, were the US justified in invading and occupying german territory during WWII? Did they have a right to demand the end of the nazi party and its ideology? How many US civilians had the nazis killed and how many the US. As an aside, the founder of the palestinan movement was a close ally of the nazis.
The israelis have been attacked constantly by the arabs since the UN mandate, all the lands taken in response have been the result of arab (often genocidal) aggression, and the occupied land held for defensive reasons though much was given back voluntarily, most recently gaza which was then immediately turned into a hamas military offensive position.
Read the hamas covent, they do not want to return some land, they want the destruction of israel.
In answer to both questions, were the US justified in invading and occupying german territory during WWII? Did they have a right to demand the end of the nazi party and its ideology? How many US civilians had the nazis killed and how many the US. As an aside, the founder of the palestinan movement was a close ally of the nazis.
The israelis have been attacked constantly by the arabs since the UN mandate, all the lands taken in response have been the result of arab (often genocidal) aggression, and the occupied land held for defensive reasons though much was given back voluntarily, most recently gaza which was then immediately turned into a hamas military offensive position.
Read the hamas covent, they do not want to return some land, they want the destruction of israel.
When rockets are fired at Israel, how long does it take for a IDF tank to work out where it was fired from and then fire back?
5 seconds?
5 minutes?
20 minutes?
If takes more than a few minutes, chances are very high that the Hamas guys who fired those rockets are no longer in that area.
So the IDF end up firing shells at whatever building was next to firing point.
Great, thats really effective. Its hardly self defense.
5 seconds?
5 minutes?
20 minutes?
If takes more than a few minutes, chances are very high that the Hamas guys who fired those rockets are no longer in that area.
So the IDF end up firing shells at whatever building was next to firing point.
Great, thats really effective. Its hardly self defense.
Are you on the ground to verify this ?
Are you? Are you busily rushing around gaza checking where and whose rockets are being fired from and where they are landing?
And I wouldn't need to be on the ground to work out who broke the ceasefire, it's the most heavily monitored spot on earth at the moment.
-“I have unequivocally condemned Hamas and the Palestinian factions that were responsible for killing two Israeli soldiers and abducting a third minutes after a ceasefire was announced,” Obama said.
and Obama no friend of israel, historically more supportive of the muslim brotherhood.
"Maybe you can explain why just hours before the 72 hour ceasefire , Israel launched an all out
attack on the town of Rafah ?"
You must have felt a bit dopey after actually posting that, so i won't rub it in.
"There is only one side killing children and you should be ashamed of your defence of this senseless murder."
Not defending senseless murder, merely pointing out the cause. And we know of at least 3 kids killed by palestinians, as for hamas, quite a few would have died building those tunnels, and those tunnels were being built to kill quite a few more.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2014/07/31/if-liberal-elites-really-cared-about-gazan-children/
or do you believe the tunnels were to deliver festive gifts for rosh hashanah?
your beliefs are clearly unshakeable by reality, but i suspect your prayers will be answered and this bloodshed will continue, until you drive the jews into oblivion, and beyond that you find another conflict to fuel.
Are you? Are you busily rushing around gaza checking where and whose rockets are being fired from and where they are landing?
And I wouldn't need to be on the ground to work out who broke the ceasefire, it's the most heavily monitored spot on earth at the moment.
-“I have unequivocally condemned Hamas and the Palestinian factions that were responsible for killing two Israeli soldiers and abducting a third minutes after a ceasefire was announced,” Obama said.
and Obama no friend of israel, historically more supportive of the muslim brotherhood.
"Maybe you can explain why just hours before the 72 hour ceasefire , Israel launched an all out
attack on the town of Rafah ?"
You must have felt a bit dopey after actually posting that, so i won't rub it in.
"There is only one side killing children and you should be ashamed of your defence of this senseless murder."
Not defending senseless murder, merely pointing out the cause. And we know of at least 3 kids killed by palestinians, as for hamas, quite a few would have died building those tunnels, and those tunnels were being built to kill quite a few more.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2014/07/31/if-liberal-elites-really-cared-about-gazan-children/
or do you believe the tunnels were to deliver festive gifts for rosh hashanah?
your beliefs are clearly unshakeable by reality, but i suspect your prayers will be answered and this bloodshed will continue, until you drive the jews into oblivion, and beyond that you find another conflict to fuel.
-“I have unequivocally condemned Hamas and the Palestinian factions that were responsible for killing two Israeli soldiers and abducting a third minutes after a ceasefire was announced,” Obama said.
and Obama no friend of israel, historically more supportive of the muslim brotherhood.
who´s making themself look a fool now? Says a lot about YOUR worldview and your ignorance.
and Obama no friend of israel, historically more supportive of the muslim brotherhood.
who´s making themself look a fool now? Says a lot about YOUR worldview and your ignorance.
Brainwashed fool has no clue what he is trying to talk about.
a few more examples from wikipedia
Misfired rockets have also killed and injured Palestinians within the Gaza Strip. However, due to harsh restrictions in information politics and a total lack of free press in the Gaza strip, precisely reporting the number of Palestinian victims is impossible. As far as it became known, the missiles, rockets and mortars have killed six Palestinians and injured dozens more. On June 8, 2005, rockets fired at the Israeli settlement of Ganei Tal killed two Palestinian workers and one Chinese worker in a packing plant. On August 2, 2005, a rocket apparently launched by Islamic Jihad killed a 6-year-old boy and his father in Beit Hanoun.[35] On December 26, 2008 a mortar aimed at Israel killed two Palestinian girls in the Gaza Strip, aged 5 and 12.[138]
Numbers from current conflict are to be clarified but at least 2 grads are thought to have hit civilians though these and other examples will be covered up.
Misfired rockets have also killed and injured Palestinians within the Gaza Strip. However, due to harsh restrictions in information politics and a total lack of free press in the Gaza strip, precisely reporting the number of Palestinian victims is impossible. As far as it became known, the missiles, rockets and mortars have killed six Palestinians and injured dozens more. On June 8, 2005, rockets fired at the Israeli settlement of Ganei Tal killed two Palestinian workers and one Chinese worker in a packing plant. On August 2, 2005, a rocket apparently launched by Islamic Jihad killed a 6-year-old boy and his father in Beit Hanoun.[35] On December 26, 2008 a mortar aimed at Israel killed two Palestinian girls in the Gaza Strip, aged 5 and 12.[138]
Numbers from current conflict are to be clarified but at least 2 grads are thought to have hit civilians though these and other examples will be covered up.
"who´s making themself look a fool now?"
You are, Obama was conspicuously silent throughout all of Morsi's abuses while in power, and was constantly critical and belligerent toward Netanyahu. Mubarek was pushed aside and the MB was supported by the Obama admin right up until the egyptians revolted.
You are, Obama was conspicuously silent throughout all of Morsi's abuses while in power, and was constantly critical and belligerent toward Netanyahu. Mubarek was pushed aside and the MB was supported by the Obama admin right up until the egyptians revolted.
Brainwashed fool has no clue what he is trying to talk about.
ooooh, good comeback einstein.
ooooh, good comeback einstein.
Polybot you said Obama is no friend of Israel yet the US under Obama continues to support Israel unequivocally, where it matters, diplomatically, financially ($3.1bn pa) and militarily.
Oh and please do not quote anything from Wiki as fact, that only shows your desperation.
Oh and please do not quote anything from Wiki as fact, that only shows your desperation.
Am I missing something here? Israel have said repeatedly that if Hamas stop firing rockets at them,they will stop responding.So why don't Hamas stop ?
Have they also said they will stop ethnic cleansing and building illegal settlements in the West Bank ?
Have they said they will end the blockade of Gaza ?
Thought not.
Why don't they ?
Have they said they will end the blockade of Gaza ?
Thought not.
Why don't they ?
Sadly artie life is not that simple. They have said they will stop when the criminal blockade is lifted.
1.8 million people forced to live like rats in a concentration camp in the year 2014 just wont do im afraid.
If they stop and go silent for the next 10 years , sadly nothing will change , most likely except the theft of more of their land by Israel.
So you see ,maybe its Israel who has questions to answer , just as Hamas has questions to answer.
1.8 million people forced to live like rats in a concentration camp in the year 2014 just wont do im afraid.
If they stop and go silent for the next 10 years , sadly nothing will change , most likely except the theft of more of their land by Israel.
So you see ,maybe its Israel who has questions to answer , just as Hamas has questions to answer.
Ah.I understand.They are firing rockets resulting in thousands of deaths because of retaliation,to draw attention to their unpleasant lives. Not very bright are they ?
What is not very bright artie is turning world opinion against yourself, becoming a rogue state , and alienating yourself from your allies.
This "retaliation " you speak of , is that mandatory , necessary , legal , justified ,humane or any of above ?
What will it achieve ?
Has Israel won or lost this war artie ?
This "retaliation " you speak of , is that mandatory , necessary , legal , justified ,humane or any of above ?
What will it achieve ?
Has Israel won or lost this war artie ?
".... and alienating yourself from your allies." From what I see on the TV news ,this is exactly what Hamas have done .
I'm no spring chicken, and there are Palestinian people of my age, hundreds of thousands of them, who have never had a permanent home, thanks to Israeli expansion. You can argue the opposing merits of the present conflagration all you like, but get back to the root of the problem, and it isn't the ordinary Palestinians to blame.
Those posters who talk of "Hamas terrorists", a la Netanyahu, should remember that Zionists became pretty good at the terror game too. Ever heard of IRGUN?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
Back to the present, and isn't it incredibly sad that a people who suffered so desperately under the Nazis should now be seen as acting like Nazis?
Those posters who talk of "Hamas terrorists", a la Netanyahu, should remember that Zionists became pretty good at the terror game too. Ever heard of IRGUN?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
Back to the present, and isn't it incredibly sad that a people who suffered so desperately under the Nazis should now be seen as acting like Nazis?
people/states in power will always act the coont, whats sad is the world standing watching schools and hospitals being bombed and washing their hands of it. I include west and other arab countries
artie, what has been happening for many years in what is left of Palestine is that Palestinian families get 24 hours to leave their homes by the IDF; then the bulldozers come along and level their homes, where many have lived all their lives; then illegal settlements are built to house incoming Jews, often from the old Soviet Union. A large percentage of the 1.6m people who live in Gaza are refugees who have lost their homes in this way.
One of the few conditions Hamas have consistently demanded from peace talks is an end to illegal settlements. Essentially this is Israel invading Palestine. What is wrong with that?
One of the few conditions Hamas have consistently demanded from peace talks is an end to illegal settlements. Essentially this is Israel invading Palestine. What is wrong with that?
Irish
Palestinian rockets killing Israelis' predates the blockade. I've already pointed this out to you. I'm surpised you've forgotten so soon.
Palestinian rockets killing Israelis' predates the blockade. I've already pointed this out to you. I'm surpised you've forgotten so soon.
Irish_Celtic
01 Aug 14 16:55
His friend call me a taxi declared it would be best to destroy all Muslim countries .
How would you know that IrishnorthernladCeltic?
You said you blocked my posts last week.
Just proves that you never stop lying.
What about the post by curious cat, saying it was - Time that the Israel ceased to exist.'
Why didn't you object to that, or report it, you muslim loving jew hater.
01 Aug 14 16:55
His friend call me a taxi declared it would be best to destroy all Muslim countries .
How would you know that IrishnorthernladCeltic?
You said you blocked my posts last week.
Just proves that you never stop lying.
What about the post by curious cat, saying it was - Time that the Israel ceased to exist.'
Why didn't you object to that, or report it, you muslim loving jew hater.
Any chance of a stray missile hitting a greasy stinking kebab shop in Blackpool?
Irish-northernlad-Celtic is busy being anti-semitic on the politics forum at the moment.
I'm sure he'll be along soon.
I'm sure he'll be along soon.
with reference to the conflict between Hamas and Fatah
Documents published in the Palestine Papers reveal that the British intelligence MI6 in 2004, helped draw up a security plan for Fatah-led Palestinian Authority. The plan mentioned as an objective, "encourage and enable the Palestinian Authority (PA) to fully meet its security obligations under Phase 1 of the Roadmap". It proposes a number of ways of "degrading the capabilities of rejectionists", naming Hamas, PIJ (Palestinian Islamic Jihad) and the al-Aqsa Brigades.
The plan was described by the Guardian as a "wide-ranging crackdown on Hamas". The supposed plan for a Fatah counter-insurgence against Hamas backfired in June 2006, when Hamas won the 2006 elections.
Several sources speak of considerable involvement by the US, Israel and Arab states, after Hamas announced the formation of its own security service, the Executive Force, which was denounced by Mahmoud Abbas as unconstitutional.
The Presidential Guard of Mahmoud Abbas was enlarged and equipped, and its members trained by the US, Egypt and Jordan. Also, a PLC council member for Hamas, Anwar Zaboun, believes that ″Mohammed Dahlan had a big plan to remove the roots of Hamas, the resistance, in Gaza and the West Bank″.
According to the IISS, the June 2007 escalation was triggered by Hamas' conviction that the PA's Presidential Guard, loyal to Mahmoud Abbas, was being positioned to take control of Gaza. The US had helped build up the Presidential Guard to 3,500 men since August 2006.
The US committed $59 million for training and non-lethal equipment for the Presidential Guard, and persuaded Arab allies to fund the purchase of further weapons. Israel, too, allowed light arms to flow to members of the Presidential Guard. Jordan and Egypt hosted at least two battalions for training.
Documents published in the Palestine Papers reveal that the British intelligence MI6 in 2004, helped draw up a security plan for Fatah-led Palestinian Authority. The plan mentioned as an objective, "encourage and enable the Palestinian Authority (PA) to fully meet its security obligations under Phase 1 of the Roadmap". It proposes a number of ways of "degrading the capabilities of rejectionists", naming Hamas, PIJ (Palestinian Islamic Jihad) and the al-Aqsa Brigades.
The plan was described by the Guardian as a "wide-ranging crackdown on Hamas". The supposed plan for a Fatah counter-insurgence against Hamas backfired in June 2006, when Hamas won the 2006 elections.
Several sources speak of considerable involvement by the US, Israel and Arab states, after Hamas announced the formation of its own security service, the Executive Force, which was denounced by Mahmoud Abbas as unconstitutional.
The Presidential Guard of Mahmoud Abbas was enlarged and equipped, and its members trained by the US, Egypt and Jordan. Also, a PLC council member for Hamas, Anwar Zaboun, believes that ″Mohammed Dahlan had a big plan to remove the roots of Hamas, the resistance, in Gaza and the West Bank″.
According to the IISS, the June 2007 escalation was triggered by Hamas' conviction that the PA's Presidential Guard, loyal to Mahmoud Abbas, was being positioned to take control of Gaza. The US had helped build up the Presidential Guard to 3,500 men since August 2006.
The US committed $59 million for training and non-lethal equipment for the Presidential Guard, and persuaded Arab allies to fund the purchase of further weapons. Israel, too, allowed light arms to flow to members of the Presidential Guard. Jordan and Egypt hosted at least two battalions for training.
If I hadn't mentally blocked myself from reading call me a taxi's posts I'd know he was being selective in what he is repeating from one of my posts.
YOU LEFT OFF PERHAPS ... A BANNING OFFENCE IN MY EYES !
YOU LEFT OFF PERHAPS ... A BANNING OFFENCE IN MY EYES !
Your comment may be worth a ban, who can say?
But Irish_Celtic aka northernlad won't report it, as he's a muslim.
But he reported my response to him, which is good going when he says he blocked my posts and can't read them.
But Irish_Celtic aka northernlad won't report it, as he's a muslim.
But he reported my response to him, which is good going when he says he blocked my posts and can't read them.
IF YOU ARE GOING TO REPEAT THINGS
DON'T LEAVE OFF AN IMPORTANT WORD WHICH WAS PERHAPS
PERHAPS YOU ARE AN ADMITTED RACIST !
DON'T LEAVE OFF AN IMPORTANT WORD WHICH WAS PERHAPS
PERHAPS YOU ARE AN ADMITTED RACIST !
THINGS THAT I DON'T USE PERHAPS ABOUT ARE ISRAEL AGREEING TO A CEASEFIRE AND MINUTES LATER BREAKING IT.
They must have their reasons, which you or I don't know about.
If they have no intention of having a 'ceasefire', why agree to it in the first place?
If they have no intention of having a 'ceasefire', why agree to it in the first place?
THEY CAN KILL MORE WOMEN AND CHILDREN WHO BELIEVE IT IS SAFE TO LEAVE.
Why the caps, as though you must try to shout down Taxi ?
Also your last post is ridiculous
Also your last post is ridiculous
would you like to debate it ?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-ban-kimoon-declares-israeli-attack-on-un-school-a-criminal-act-9645278.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-ban-kimoon-declares-israeli-attack-on-un-school-a-criminal-act-9645278.html
Problem is you ONLY like to debate stories that suit YOUR agenda, being selective is a poor trait imo
David Menuisier used to be asst to John Dunlop and in the States .. Richard Mandela.
Yesterday he trained Slunovrat to be 2nd at 66-1.
I backed it at 223.1 on here ..... it looked like winning entering the ff
17:29 GB Newb 3rd Aug / 17:25 1m4f Hcap / Slunovrat
Lay 11.00 4.00 Won 4.00
2014-08-03
17:29 GB Newb 3rd Aug / 17:25 1m4f Hcap / Slunovrat
Lay 32.00 2.20 Won 2.20
2014-08-03
17:31 39744694055 2014-08-03
17:28 GB Newb 3rd Aug / 17:25 1m4f Hcap / Slunovrat
Lay 140.00 2.10 Won 2.10
2014-08-03
17:28 GB Newb 3rd Aug / 17:25 1m4f Hcap / Slunovrat
Back 223.10 2.00 Lost (2.00)
Yesterday he trained Slunovrat to be 2nd at 66-1.
I backed it at 223.1 on here ..... it looked like winning entering the ff
17:29 GB Newb 3rd Aug / 17:25 1m4f Hcap / Slunovrat
Lay 11.00 4.00 Won 4.00
2014-08-03
17:29 GB Newb 3rd Aug / 17:25 1m4f Hcap / Slunovrat
Lay 32.00 2.20 Won 2.20
2014-08-03
17:31 39744694055 2014-08-03
17:28 GB Newb 3rd Aug / 17:25 1m4f Hcap / Slunovrat
Lay 140.00 2.10 Won 2.10
2014-08-03
17:28 GB Newb 3rd Aug / 17:25 1m4f Hcap / Slunovrat
Back 223.10 2.00 Lost (2.00)
Mercury Magic didn't go early pace and struggled in last
r.o. well ........ needs further or slower opposition
r.o. well ........ needs further or slower opposition
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