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Why no sanctions against Israel?
Why no sanctions against Israel?
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Our new foreign secretary said that Israel has the right to defend itself.
If this is defence I would hate to see what external aggression looked like. We condemned the bombardment of Sarajevo, how is this different? |
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again I agree Foinavon
Our foreign secretary says he does not approve of Palestinian rocket attacks, fair enough but to be totally fair he must add, he regrets Israel's continued presence in land that does not belong to them which is contributing to this situation and he should also comment on Israel's excessive response, on the ground of humanity. the UN have commented on this So all he has done is condemn the Palestinian's fault, in a statement that is meaningless as it is so obviously pro Israel what has happened to the British idea of fair play? |
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Irish_Celtic 23 Jul 14 09:19 Joined: 04 Aug 12 | Topic/replies: 1,215 | Blogger: Irish_Celtic's blog
America is little Israel more like , the tail is wagging the dog. I think you'd find that in reality your very own Irish influence might be stronger in the USA than any Jewish lobby. Certainly in numbers, there are comparatively few Jews in the USA. |
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The problem for Israel is that it can't afford to trust any outside country.
It must treat everyone with suspicion, not only of course the arab states but also European countries and British, especially liberals and generally those on the left. They know that these people should they ever find themselves at the mercy of an enemy state will turn their backs on them. Israel must protect itself at all costs. Are you for real lfc? Those on the left? The real and underlying problem is the expansion of Israel, the stealing of land and displacing of people that has continued over decades. For a people who suffered so much at the hands of the Nazis, it is sad indeed to see them ACTING like Nazis. Lebensraum, anyone? |
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Well I feel they must return to 1947 borders, as I have repeated, that was a fair partition of the country, good enough
for me. If they try to grab more they have strayed off the moral path and even getting half of Palestine was debatable tbh, but to try and get more, is definitely WRONG If lebensraum is their motive, unacceptable to me |
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Can you show me a map of these 1947 borders ?
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With all their technology, the iron dome and stuff, and the fact we appear to have take down most
of the Arab countries(hmmmm....a question there?) There remain no case for them to claim any extra for defence, and it was always morally wrong I think Israel need to be told, get back in your own cage http://www.ameu.org/Current-Issue/Current-Issue/2013-Volume-46/Like-a-Picture-A-Map-is-Worth-A-Thousand-Words.aspx pumphol....when I get time I might check the accuracy of that, I doubt if I will find much difference but from that Palestine appear like a piece of cheese, which is being gradually consumed by a hungry mouse, Israel The UN plan is the only legal one, as far as I am concerned. |
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Yes do get back to me on that one, especially as you have mentioned it several times.
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Any land taken by force of arms, is illegal.....but if we accept that
then Palestinian have a right to fight back surely...although they are patently losing Otherwise the US and our values appear to have gone quite off the clock, as far as hypocrisy is concerned fair enough pumphol, I do my horse form first |
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murdering scum
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who?
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http://bit.ly/1mFTdDD
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I will take that as a vote for the Palestinians
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The tide has turned
Bad news is it appears another massacre is taking place in Khan Younis . Medical teams cannot get within a kilometre of it because of the ferocity of the shelling. |
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David Fishwick Minibus Sales
23 Jul 14 23:12 . http://bit.ly/1mFTdDD If you leave a space after the DD you get an advert for a restaurant in Florida.  |
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Btw Fishy, on that map Israel have taken over Norfolk.
I'll still be here, better than having Anglia full of muslims. |
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Christ call me a taxi you are a real junior league small town w@nker,good work
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^^^Seething
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bbc`s embarrassed dad
23 Jul 14 23:47 Christ call me a taxi you are a real junior league small town w@nker,good work FYI, I don't come from a small town. If you're going to block me northernlad, do it with all of your aliases, not just one. |
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Junior league
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine
here you are pumphol..an unbiased view |
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her is an interesting one, a Jewish proposal
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/PartitionPlanC1938.html appears they were not so greedy then |
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I find it sad our Government cannot condemn Israel...this show very poor values
or even the Labour party? The key is the US, as long as they continue to supply Israel with the latest military technology Israel will continue to do what they like The only way that will happen is if US public opinion turns against Israel if that does not happen, difficult to see a way out here |
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I should have said the only way that will change
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All the Jews could move to Ireland....nice green land....say goodbye to all that sandy sh*t
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interesting
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We have got enough trouble with the IRA, do we need more trouble
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War
I will need time to read this The UN partition remains the only legal definition of Israel. Civil War broke out before this was ever implemented. The Arab league did enter Palestine in support of the Palestinians, they wanted Palestine for the Palestinians. So if fact your whole post is one compete lie is it not Pumphol?, because they did not invade Palestine for themselves did they? So I suggest you have a read about the 48 war, Wikipedia is impartial. You asked for a map I put it up You say I speak crap, then put even bigger load of crap yourself |
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Israel is a small nation and would not be able to sustain a prolonged war.
Their military leades know this and must retaliate quickly and with devastating force. Sometimes they must even strike first. This is the problem and makes decisions dangerous and difficult. |
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It may be small. But this hardly gives it the right to go about invading other countries, does it?
When the Jews emigrated to Palestine, they invaded another country. Which by force of arms they now have control of. If the previous inhabitants kick up a bit of a fuss, it is only to be expected. On grounds of some legality, I have suggested we in fact implement the 1947 UN partition plan. Seems to me the only civilised way to proceed. Otherwise the only rules we have are Last Man Standing..which in effect mean no rules at all. |
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I would agree ebul regarding the 47 plan, however I doubt it would end there.
We are where we are and Israel must never allow its defences to be weakened. They must never trust any other country or people other than themselves..that is absolutely critical. |
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When I say invaded Palestine..in fairness I must qualify that
There has always been some indigenous Jewish population in Palestine But it had been a Muslim country for a long time...when we liberated it, it was part of the Turkish Ottoman Empire We should never have established a British mandate. We should have left. Although we could have partitioned off a small area for the indigenous Jewish people. Two things intervene, that ridiculous Balfour Declaration proposing all Jews go to Palestine. and the Holocaust...Jews seeing themselves as part of the population of European states find themselves targeted by Adolf Hitler. This drives Jewish immigration to Palestine, which we the British allow. The reason I question whether most Jews belong there, is because most modern Jewish are those immigrants are their offspring We have now everything in place for a great human tragedy which has happened. |
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THe trouble with your post lfc1971...is you are hanging onto the Holocaust.
That cannot happen in Israel now, you have your own country, the problem in Europe you did not, so you could not defend yourselves. You can now, so you need to leave that behind. Jews can relax, although they must accept that the Palestinians are not quite happy about this. That is the reality They have an extremely good army. They have the support of the US, the most powerful country on the Globe. What more do they want. This defence policy of theirs, frankly is barbaric, they must change their ways, I mean this. I have proposed we implement the 1947 UN partition plan. This can be done gradually, you can extract some commitment of non aggression by The Palestinians. You see if you don't improve conditions for the Palestinians it is making Israel look like complete barbarians. And you need to stop this disproportional reprisals as well, this is making Israel look like butchers. You say Israel should trust no one, well they at least need to trust the US, because without their support they would be vulnerable. They say they want peace, they won't ever get it the way they are going at the moment. I don't advocate they neglect their defence, but these attacks are not the right way to this. |
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it will all be over once Israel gains full control of the Palestinian oil and gas reserves off Gaza. phone up British Gas, they know about it.
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ebulGery
When you see what nice people like the Germans were capable off anything is possible. There are more lunatics per square mile in the world today than ever in mankinds history. Israel must keep itself secure and in time it is quite possible the rest of the world will destroy itself piece by piece. |
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Nobody on here seemed bothered when Mugabe started having a go at white farmers.
250 Christian schoolgirls kidnapped by a bunch of Islamic nutters in Africa, and interest on here soon waned. Gangs of ASIAN paedophiles locked up for sexually grooming, assaulting and raping young WHITE girls, slid off the forum after a day or so, with very few mentions of the obvious racism. But the Jews do something, and out come the anti-semitic mob. |
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When you see what nice people like the Germans were capable off anything
is possible. Were you living in Germany in the 1930s and 40s, lfc1971? From this point in time, it doesn't look like there were too many nice krauts about. |
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the gruniad is quick to post articles defending islamists - beware the poison from within!!!
It is the quasi politico intellectual position of the modern place serving journalist and politician. Including the tories!!!! |
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I am not anti Semitic
I am pro Palestinian think about it |
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Today a UN run school hit by the Israelis 15 dead 200 injured
Hamas Leader Khaled Meshaal has said he wants a ceasefire, although he also wants an end to the Israeli blockade of Gaza, which of course is totally illegal.....not a word of condemnation from the West of course To all intents and purposes the Palestinian Arabs may not as well exist at all, for all the rights they have |