That means 'no' does it? With all of their systems they have no evidence at all yet they have evidence about the Palestinian boy. Does that not sound odd to you?

akabula

one side has very little in the way of modern arms ...... the other a powerful defence system and unchallenged mastery in the air.

In the first Gulf war even George Bush turned away from a massacre.

Hamas have fired rockets at Israel, of course they have, but are they not justified in attacking their invaders? This is what our media describe as ´atrocities´- sporadic, random, untargeted, token resistance against their aggressor.

On the other hand Israel, with their overwhelming military superiority have launched a bombardment of bombs from sea, land and air - including white phosphate, banned by the UN - on built up civilian areas, knowing full well that they will kill civilians.

Ask yourself, objectively, who are the real terrorists here???

yes tiptheodds

I see no easy answer here

But the extent of Israel's defence of themselves is sending them into the vale of evil
In fact the only the only logical conclusion of their policies seem they intend to kill all Palestinian Arabs

3 teenagers are killed, they probably lose more than that on their roads in a day, their response is excessive

I am not asking them not to defend themselves, but to stop any attack on them is nigh physically impossible.
They must accept they may lose a few people

By trying to make themselves invulnerable to all attacks, they themselves are becoming evil

just my opinion

Is this the thread where the BF muslim forumites reside?

It is legal under international law to fight occupation forces.

People should use their brains a little more instead of falling hook line and sinker for the word terrorist that's parroted 24/7 on television

One would think British people would understand the situation better given what has happened in Northern Ireland. You cannot simply defeat resistance no matter how much superior force you use. The British made huge mistakes like Bloody Sunday , the hunger strikes , and the introduction of interment , all of which enraged the Catholic population and guaranteed the Ira a steady flow of volunteers for the next two decades. It gave them a mandate and they wanted revenge to put it bluntly.

Multiply the situation by about a thousand and you have life in Gaza and the West Bank.

You go to work and while at work a killer comes to your home and murders your family. You get home and find them dead and it angers you. The killer returns a little later and asks you for a ceasefire. You refuse. Therefore you are to blame.

Room why don't you tell everyone how many Palestinians died BEFORE Hamas came into existence in 1987? That might prove your point.
And whether you like it or not Room all of the Jews living today will be dead at one time or another, in fact we all will be. Only very few of us think we have a God given right to anything let alone something we are prepared to kill women and children for.

I demonstrated about the Iraq war along with many thousands that day but it made no difference. This government is powerless and undemocratic. I just think it is so sad that so many people die in the name of religion and greed. So the answer to your question is no. I will however watch with interest when the pro Isreali march starts in London.

Don't ever compare me with you Room. I don't want anyone to die. What I do hope is that the criminals against humanity will one day face the appropriate justice. If they really were God fearing, which they clearly are not, they would not be doing what they are with impunity.

Brigust1. I think we all believe that we have a 'God-given right' to kill women and children if our welfare is threatened.
How many British posters on here would condemn the bombing of German cities in WW-2 if it meant accepting defeat and living under Nazi rule?

How many people would say that it was wrong to drop nuclear weapons on Japan if you compared the result to the loss of life and destruction that would have ensued from normal military methods?

I know what the reasons were in the case of Japan. Your reasoning for the bombing of the German cities is flawed.
However, I was simply pointing out that we will ALL kill women and children if we think it will help to achieve our goal.
Hamas know the rules...they send rockets and the Israelis retaliate, usually with more loss of life than the 'terrorism' caused. This is the way it has always been. this is the way it will continue to be for as long as Hamas fire their rockets. The Israelis are bound by the same set of rules.

Extensive evidence indicates that whether or not a Palestinian is allowed to pass through a checkpoint is often arbitrary. Journalists and other eyewitnesses report that Palestinians have been denied access because they are smiling, or are deemed ugly, or simply because the soldiers don’t feel like letting them pass.

Human Rights workers have documented cases where Palestinian men and boys are detained at checkpoints without food, water, or protection from the elements for hours. In some cases, they are held in metal cages or required to strip to their underwear, in many cases, they are blindfolded and their hands are tied with plastic ties that cut deeply into their wrists.

There is a great deal of documentary evidence showing that ambulances carrying sick or injured Palestinians frequently are prevented from travelling through checkpoints, sometimes leading to deaths. In addition numerous pregnant women have not been allowed to pass through checkpoints – in many cases the mother or baby has died as a result. Between June 2003 and February 2004, 46 women delivered their babies at checkpoints – 24 of the women and 27 newborns died as a result.

No  blames the Palestinian people ,the problem is you cant be crying about oppression ect whilst launching indiscriminate missiles attacks into your neighbours country ,it is absurd and the people like yourself who fall for the propaganda  need psychiatric help .

Israel built a wall because of suicide bombers killing their people ,including woman and children .

To have Human rights you have to act like a Human .

Israel rightfully protects its own people  ,has aggressive fundamental Arabs on all sides of its land borders and its defensive  actions are fully justified by most right thinking well  balanced  people .

The wishy washy brigades silence over the killing of all those aboard  MH17 is deafening ,are the BBC still calling it a crash ?

the infiltration of our MSM by them is destroying our democratic rights to free speech,it must stop .

How long to do you suffer oppression before you decide to actually do something about it? B&B and I suggest your statement shows it certainly isn't me who requires psychiatric help.

Israel has been targeted by at least 77 UN resolutions and the Palestinians have been targeted by 1.

0 Israeli homes have been demolished by Palestinians and at least 28,000 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967.

What do breadnbutter , akabula ,and pumphol have in common ?

They are Glasgow rangers supporting  loyalists who see their cousins in the North of Ireland waving Israel flags . Why do they do such a thing ?

Most likely for the simple reason a lot of Celtic supporters and Northern  Irish Catholics have always supported the Palestinian people.

They would also be of the viewpoint that subjugating a native population and treating them like second class citizens is normal behaviour.

Supporting Israel gives them credence that their ancestors past exploits in the North of Ireland is just fine.

I really wouldn't waste too much time trying to reason with that trio.

and you support muslims northernlad, everybody knows that.

Probably not.

The ground is smack bang in the centre of a densely populated asian area.