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Rolf Victim Tonya Lee
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Sleep well :-)
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I'm sure there are easier ways of making a few quid than trying to convince the world you have been sexually abused in childhood.
are there eternal?????????????? some people love playing the victim roll... I have met lots of women claiming they were sexually abused at one time or another some true, some false.. The really bad ones that cause the damage are when someone is systematically abused over a period of time sadly usually by a family member...this is where you start seeing psychological damage..one offs people can recover from although I am not going to excuse them.. A very good friend of mine was raped...dna got him We have lots of allegations here, vey little proof an allegation, does not make something true |
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Steamship
To be fair you do bring up a fair point. There's a world of difference between a paedeophile and a dodgy geezer who tries it on with girls just over the age of consent and conflating the two is problematic. When we were growing up some men were referred to as free with their hands and everybody knew the score. The point is that they weren't paedophiles. There was also an often unspoken but acknowledged understanding that some girls past puberty but still below the age of sexual consent were sexually active and often promiscuous. The emphasis was on the understanding that they knew what they were doing because girls matured more quickly than boys. If now girls who were 14 and 15 are turning around and claiming they were victims that is also problematic because it tends to fly in the face of how sections of society saw things at that time. Those men still weren't paedophiles. So what we are doing is retrospectively imposing societies current moral framework onto times gone by and that can be dangerous even allowing for the fact that the age of consent has been 16 in this country for many years. For example in 20 or 30 years time we may see civil action being brought by children against their arent because they were brough up in households where the parents smoked. In 60 or 70 yeasr those people could be sued by their own children because they were brought up by parents who made them eat meat. |
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ebul
On the contrary. Here we have allegations proven because Harris has now been sentenced for committing the crimes. |
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A conviction isnt the same as proof.
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I can't contradict you there eternal.....although I still have my concerns
You seem to be a lot fairer to steamship than me eternal the price I pay for being a know all  My association with this comes the Mental Health system, where one did see a lot of damage caused by systematic abuse But also there were a few who claimed it, just to get sympathy or to feel some importance, or to excuse their own crimes it is not easy to generalise here and with these cases there is the added incentive of money very true clungehungry |
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as you replied to steamship eternal
we are attempting to rewite history here as well, I feel |
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Clunge
Sorry to contradict you but that is the essence of our legal system. A conviction is deemed to be proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Which if course is different from complete knowledge that the accused committed a specific offence which is something which we can rarely assert for obvious reasons. |
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there have been mistakes before here, there will be again
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Believe what you want to believe.....always been the way.
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You are not contradicting me. Some people thinking or claiming something has been proved doesnt mean it has been.
People can make bad decisions for any number of reasons. I found this interesting: http://www.libertarianview.co.uk/current-affairs/rolf-harris-beyond-reasonable-doubta |
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That many people can't be wrong!. I was not one of them - thank goodness.
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:-) morning. I think we are all glad you werent on the jury.
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hey-ho to that!.
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Clungehungry
04 Jul 14 19:02 ...especially with people who believe everything they read in trashy papers. 1.01 landed. 'If it's in the Mail, it's not true.'  |
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Yet more entertainment for H.M.'s inmates.
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It wasnt :-)
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