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25 Jun 14
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Fear mongering rumours abound? Water metering in England. But water still free up in Bonnie Scotland. Fresh water in abundance ripe for the taking. Once They are cemented in the union next year they have plans to take their water as well as their oil. Selling off to bottled water concerns. All around the world drought is setting in. Water resources are the new Oil markets.
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Immigration puts greater demand on water supplies.
Another fact that the nation haters never mention. |
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Yes, we will be poorer without Scotland, in more ways than one
I hope for a no vote I think our leaders have long since given up governing this country for the benefit of anyone who lives here they think anybody who lives anywhere else is better |
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A lot of English have headed north past few years.
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^I hope they took some thick clothes with them.
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Yes, we will be poorer without Scotland, in more ways than one
I hope for a no vote No need to hope imo. The betting on here tells me so. Far too many Scots being sucked in by the wee fat dictator. An egomaniac if ever there was one. |
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FFS stewarty it´s a vote on independence not a vote for the SNP. I thought you would know better.
If anything it could be argued that as a party mainly associated with a single issue, once that is achieved their life will become harder. Too many eejits being taken in by the blatant lies and scaremongering of the bitter togethers. FFS when Cameron, Osborne, the Pope, Obama, Baroso all agree to tell us to vote no it just has to in our interests to vote yes. |
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"FFS stewarty it´s a vote on independence not a vote for the SNP. I thought you would know better."
Utter BS. The entire white paper for independence is simply a taxpayer funded SNP manifesto, they'll be the ones "negotiating" the separation (if they are capable of it without throwing childish tantrums which I doubt). It's very much about what the tubby porky telling egomaniac and his followers want. And how anyone can call the OPPONENTS of the SNP liars given the lies they the SNP tell virtually every day .. well .. Shattering the lies of fanatics isn't "Scaremongering" it's just a reality check, something the SNP aren't in touch with. |
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@tiptheodds The only lies have come from wee fishy. Remember the legal advice he told us he had taken.
There is no chance of a yes vote and Scots will vote 2 to 1 for the Union. Better together. |
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I hope so, England need Scotland
for a Scottish point of view I don't know? the big disadvantage, they would become a smaller country, would that benefit them it is not my decision |
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If I was Scottish, I would vote yes, I do see advantages in them becoming independent
on the energy front |
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stewartyb complaining about Alex while being ruled by bloodhound jowelled rebekak coulson loving Dave!!!...worra complete imbecile!!
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Such a lot of this is economic
If Scotland is a drag on England, then England would be better without them we may be able to put more money into our own country, I don't know????????? We have to control our population anyway, that is our biggest issue, we cannot carry on as we are we are risking real hardship in the future |
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ebul Between what we get from the Barnett Formula and what we contribute through taxation and income from the oil resources I can assure you that Scotland is not a drag on the rest of the Union.
Note that I say rest of the Union and have not fallen into the trap that you have of seeing the UK as another description for England. This is about Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland. This arrogance is restricted to the English btw but I still think that despite this we are BETTER TOGETHER. |
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the same ground gets covered over and over. I'd vote no but would vote yes if the same pish didn't get said over and over on the subject.
Scotland's GDP is higher than all regions of England apart from the South East, so median-wise it's somewhere around the middle. The "better off" part IMO, is neither here nor there, but the legal headaches and economic differences (which currency, in or out EU etc) make me a no voter. IIRC England is already somewhat reliant on Scottish Water, water is pumped upstream at the numerous hydro facilities across Scotland to demand with the peak use when feckers put their kettles on after Coronation Street and Eastenders. |
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just for the record ebulgery Scotland is a net contributor to the Exchequer, paying some 13% more in tax than it receives from London. Without Scotland England would be in even worse shape than it is now, and especially so if you don´t live in the south east.
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Then reading the reading the last three posts
I come to the conclusion that we in England, Wales and N.Ireland better pray for a no vote But of course we have no say, it is up to the Scots themselves???? |
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erse, I don´t know why you think that " the legal headaches and economic differences (which currency, in or out EU etc)" are enough to make you vote no.
By ´legal headaches´ I take it you mean how separation will be negotiated and nothing to do with our already separate legal systems? Things like how Trident and other nuclear facilities will be removed; how nuclear waste from the south will have to be dumped elsewhere; how Scotland will no longer have to pay for massively expensive infrastructure projects like the HSRL which won´t reach Scotland.; how the military will be divided up and how Scottish forces will no longer have to send forces to fight America´s wars in the middle east. I should have thought these negotiations would make any Scot proud... As for Scotland not being able to use sterling, don´t be misled by London lies. Scotland already owns a proportion of the UK central bank, the Bank of England, and as such has the right to use the pound. If Scotland was prevented from doing so Scotland would be able to take its share of BoE reserves, and as a net contributor to the British economy leaving sterling would destabilise the currency which would definitely not be allowed to happen. |
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If you are Scottish erse2, then of course it is your decision
I am only looking at it from the position of those that aren't Aside from the nationalist issue, those that want a Scotland free of the U.K. or perhaps a defence one surely all the remaining argument must be an economic one? |
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England needs to address its own water problems regardless of what Scotland does ,think Barnes Wallace had planes for a water grid system throughout most of Eng , so water could be shifted to where it was needed ,could also be used to help at times of flooding if the correct pumps were in place ,2 years ago there was the prospect of a hosepipe ban after a very dry winter and spring ,this all changed and it turned into a very wet year .The profits being made from water is obscene and they should not be allowed to ignore the need to build more storage ,all that water just running off and then following year its a hosepipe ban with water extraction from rivers ect ,its not on they need to plan ahead something this country seems incapable of ,its just profit ,take ,take take .How you let water meters be installed shows how soft you lot are ,soon the gov will have you jumping through fire hoops ,show a bit of backbone ffs .They will never get away with selling off Scottish Water .Its too important to be trusted to some fat cats who are only interested in profit .
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*Barnes Wallis
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ect ,its not on they need to plan ahead something this country seems incapable of ,its just profit ,take ,take take
sadly I agree We do little for the benefit of everybody We do little for any long term benefit If it was me, I would never have even offered Scotland a referendum. unless I was certain they would voet no They are too important to the U.K.....they would not be going anywhere |
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"just for the record ebulgery Scotland is a net contributor to the Exchequer, paying some 13% more in tax than it receives from London. Without Scotland England would be in even worse shape than it is now, and especially so if you don´t live in the south east."
Complete rubbish!!! Scotland runs a deficit. Even the SNP wouldn't even say the above as it's so palpably incorrect. Please cite an independent source for this figure. And don't just cherry pick one year out of the last 30 like the SNP would do or paste a link to some lying nutcase who runs an unverified indepdendence blog. Go on, source your 13% surplus figure from a reputable source. And do NOT try the SNPs sneaky trick of comparing relative tax intakes NOT income take versus expenditure. Scotland runs a deficit, this is well established fact, which is why even their own advisors are saying either there would need to be spending cuts or a hike in taxes to cover it. Because, that's right, there's a deficit. --- ebulGery 25 Jun 14 23:20 "Then reading the reading the last three posts" ebulGery, this is the internet, and you've apparently just met cybernats, so what you will be reading is highly likely to be untruths mixed with baseless assertion. Have large pinches of salt to hand  |
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TiptheOdds, I'm familiar with the points you've raised, fair points. Yes, a separate legal system but there will still be a 10 figure sum to pay... I'm lost for examples but there is definitely a huge amount of red tape to sift through.
I think George Galloway's argument for no is also quite convincing. An independent England/Wales with a perpetual Tory government will be lowering taxes and it'd be a race to the bottom with Scotland to compete for business. I can't see Scotland being any less socialist than it is now, so it seems those two things don't go together. |
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vote NO, keep the united kingdom together.
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ebulGery, this is the internet, and you've apparently just met cybernats, so what you will be reading is highly likely to be untruths mixed with baseless assertion. Have large pinches of salt to hand Plain
I could not disagree with you just checking But the problem I find, is that Government and Media do not tell us the truth. Also economics is a bit too hard for most of us to understand, unless it is simplified for us But nowhere is this done in an impartial way. My gut instinct tells me we cannot lose Scotland. I like the Scots and I think their values are better than our English ones, especially nowadays, although we are not that different. Looking at Scotland they have plenty of resources, particularly on the energy side, I don't think we can afford to lose them As I said previously I would not even have offered them a referendum myself, if I had any say in it, too risky ps Interesting argument there from George Galloway, the competition between us, would do neither of us any good. I will have a look..but again will this be an impartial view? |
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vote yes..send all the currant buns and their mini bun rivals down to ingerlund where dave and the eton boys can stuff them up the gary while their beloved german queen remains a parasitic waste of cash...how many seats does dave have in bonnie jockland?
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sofiakenny The voice of the yes campaign. He fits in well.
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aye hes still up to his baws in pete on Drumossie moor
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According to the Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR): "Scotland receives no net subsidy".
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2100345/Londons-taxes-prop-rest-UK-One-pound-earned-capital-funds-rest-country.html?ito=feeds-newsxml According to a BBC report (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-24866266): If oil revenues are included in GDP figures, Scotland is shown to generate more per head of population than the UK as a whole. For Scotland, it is £26,424 per head compared with £22,336 per head for the UK. Public expenditure per capita in Scotland is higher than the UK average. In 2011, Scotland's public spending per head was £12,300 and for the UK it was £11,000. (Increased public spending in Scotland is necessary because of Scotland´s less concentrated population - Scotland has a land mass 60% of England but with only 10% of the population.) erse, you may be right that the tories in England will reduce mainly corporate taxes (as if they can really be reduced any further) but they will also be reducing public spending, workers wages and rights, and living standards for the vast majority, as well as privatising the NHS. Do you really want to live in that kind of country? |
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Let it all out sopfiakenny.
Throwing insults at the opposition, another trait of the yes campaigners One last thing - it's they're not their. hth. |
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stewartyb complaining about Alex while being ruled by bloodhound jowelled rebekak coulson loving Dave!!!...worra complete imbecile!!Laugh
Oh the irony. This coming from a retard who has nothing better to do than lick @rses on the Man Utd thread. Even getting his tongue tattooed wouldn't get rid of the remaining brown spots. |
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stewarty..why dont you just leave us Scots alone and go and live in England?
you seem the sort that sing songs about being up to your knees in something. I am sure there are some human sevco fans..i just havent found any yet. |
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you seem the sort that sing songs about being up to your knees in something
Too scared to elaborate sofia? Just as well as we both know it would be a lifetime ban for yourself. |
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I would have been delighted if you said you had never sung that song and found it reprehensible....however......
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I can assure you I have never sung that filth. I may be a Rangers fan, but I draw the line at bigotry.
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Is this independence vote just another Old Firm derby?
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glad to see you dont condone the behaviour of Rangers ex vice-chairman Donald Findlay.
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