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HH Sultan Vinegar
05 Jun 14 12:58
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Armando Iannucci has joined those calling on the BBC to axe the licence fee in favour of subscription and pay for homegrown programmes by "ruthlessly" selling itself abroad.

Iannucci, who created Alan Partridge with Steve Coogan, said the BBC could make huge profits by switching to a subscription model.

"The BBC would make a fortune if it ran as a subscription service abroad. It's revered across the world, and rightly so," Iannucci said.

"Money made from subscriptions abroad would fund even better programmes at home and take pressure off falling licence fee collection.

"If the international model works, BBC could replace licence fee at home with a subscription fee, set lower than current licence fee."


He added: "Current exemptions would still apply. So no one would pay more for a subscription than they do now for a TV licence.

"The subscription would give you access to BBC archive too. We'd get a quality service at home, by ruthlessly selling ourselves abroad.

"Having lived abroad, I know many people (expats and locals) who would pay to access the BBC abroad (iPlayer PPV access)."

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http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/03/bbc-replace-licence-fee-subscription-armando-ianucci

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By:
pandora1963
When: 05 Jun 14 13:23
so you would be basically pricing the poor out of watching tv,subscription add up to a load more than the licence fee
By:
Zazu
When: 05 Jun 14 13:32
anything that abolishes the license fee gets my vote

only thing I watch is Top Gear which I could happily live without

Dont use BBC websites and don't listen to the radio
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 05 Jun 14 15:19
Ianucci not doing his chances of a second series much good imo.
By:
DOUBLED
When: 05 Jun 14 15:23
?
By:
Ken Masters
When: 05 Jun 14 15:23
Tony Hayers won't be smelling his cheese imo.
By:
inner city sumo
When: 05 Jun 14 15:28
Plain
By:
liamcol
When: 05 Jun 14 15:30
Cut out the red tape and bureaucracy and just add a fee to the electricity bill.
By:
naydam
When: 05 Jun 14 17:41
Stick it on the Council Tax.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 05 Jun 14 20:01
Agree with him.  Obvious really, sould shut up all the whingers who say they never watch it, bet they would almost all pay up in the end.
By:
dustybin
When: 05 Jun 14 20:05
what I never understood with the BBC was how could they find a person guilty in a court of breaking a law when they were never given an option.

If a person doesnt have a license to watch tv then they get 'convicted' even though the BBC neither hold rights to the invention of tv nor provide an opt out.

Ive always wished there to be an option where I can take the news and drop all the houswife cr4p like eastenders and sticklydance.

Why the fook I have to subsidise that tosh in this day and age is beyond me.



Id not miss it rob
By:
dustybin
When: 05 Jun 14 20:06
I pay for my subscription tv
BBC are frightened to do the same as it will run the true test over their inflated wage packets and carp telly
By:
naydam
When: 05 Jun 14 20:30
The licence is to permit a residence to receive radio (and later television) broadcasts transmitted within a certain frequency band. It used to paid at the Post Office, back in the days when people were generally more honest. But the honest people gradually passed away and have been replaced by a bunch of 'blag it' merchants who want everything for nothing. So, many of them ceased to pay for signal reception, even though they still watched the television. The Government then decided to give the collection job for these unpaid licences to the BBC, as they were the main beneficiaries, but they didn't give them the same powers as other Revenue and Customs officers. So, all the BBC can do is to ask you to pay for your licence and, if you don't, then eventually the big boys will step in.

But whichever way it goes...you will STILL have to pay for a reception licence. It may be less than it is now, but I wouldn't bank on it!
By:
naydam
When: 05 Jun 14 20:30
*used to be paid*
By:
dustybin
When: 05 Jun 14 20:39
How is it right though to take an individual to court while not providing an alternative?
we a banana republic?
Id agree it wouldnt be a problem if they had an opt out option.
By:
naydam
When: 05 Jun 14 21:14
You are Automatically 'Opted Out'. You only 'opt in' when you install reception equipment on the premises.
If you don't have the receiver, you don't need a licence to receive. It's quite simple.

It's like your driving licence. If you don't want to drive...you don't need a licence.
By:
breadnbutter
When: 05 Jun 14 21:19
You dont need to pay for  a reception licence .wise up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxkicyM0qu4

"funding a bunch of paedophiles"  Love
By:
dustybin
When: 05 Jun 14 21:23
I can purchase a car and not drive it though
Why cant I purchase a tv and not watch their bilge?

Not like they either invented the tv nor provide and option for tv owners.
Its sloppy and ever present, the easy option is to hit the individual, they could encrypt it.....but they dont, theyd rather fritter cash away in bureaucracy instead over paying bigots or subsidising carp
By:
dustybin
When: 05 Jun 14 21:26
my point is in a court of law why dont they challenge the concept of punishing while providing no alternative (to existing tv owners)
they provide a broadcast, not anything to do with the tv, if they neither provide an opt out nor encrypt it then that isnt the tv owners fault
By:
breadnbutter
When: 05 Jun 14 21:49
"If you don’t watch or record television programmes as they are being shown on TV, on any device, you don’t need a TV Licence."

taken from  TV licencing site and it also states

The law states that you need to be covered by a TV Licence if you watch or record television programmes, on any device, as they're being shown on TV. This includes TVs, computers, mobile phones, games consoles, digital boxes and Blu-ray/DVD/VHS recorders.
You don't need a licence if you don't use any of these devices to watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV - for example, if you use your TV only to watch DVDs or play video games, or you only watch ‘catch up’ services like BBC iPlayer or 4oD.
By:
dustybin
When: 05 Jun 14 21:52
so they are saying they own broadcasting then?
By:
dustybin
When: 05 Jun 14 21:55
Its broadcasts that you arnt allowed to watch because they wont encrypt theirs.
I cant see why a court of law would appease that myself
By:
breadnbutter
When: 05 Jun 14 22:09
Think they are trying to say both but they say you dont need one if you only watch BBC iplayer or 4OD ,so you can have a tv legally without a licence .

They take in 4b a year .
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 06 Jun 14 01:22
what I never understood with the BBC was how could they find a person guilty in a court of breaking a law

Going to go out on a limb here and suggest that the BBC don't have their own courts at which they preside as judges in.
By:
The Leopard
When: 06 Jun 14 09:10
Haven't read all thread :

Everyone who pays license fee should get shares in BBC proportional to number of years paid

Shares could not be sold except back to BBC

Dividend would be issued yearly

BBC would then be owned by License payers

Share value would increase as BBC Total Capital increased
By:
dustybin
When: 06 Jun 14 10:19
shrewd dude
that is true, but they don't need to, since if you get 'caught' watching tv without a license you are 'guilty' what happens after that is that a judge will determine 'how guilty' based on how many assets you have (the fine you receive).
What I was suggesting was different, I was saying Im surprised somebody hasn't tested the validity in a european court to be able to say that while the action of subscribing to paid for tv isn't unlawful in itself the receiving of broadcasts by said providers is unlawful if you haven't paid the BBC whether you receive that or not, and you do because they can't be arsed to encrypt it, so they arnt providing the option.
To me I can't see how a court would uphold that, but thats just an opinion.
By:
dustybin
When: 06 Jun 14 10:23
In response to the analogy of the driving license. (even though comparing the process for a license for driving is actually based on testing a person's competence, and therefore its a safety thing)
I believe you don't require a license to drive a vehicle on private land, how receiving broadcasts from a private paid subscription to a tv in your house can be classed in the same bracket is beyond me.
By:
naydam
When: 06 Jun 14 11:41
This is becoming boring. Please read. The television licence is a legal requirement to enable a residence etc. to receive broadcasts. This is not just broadcasts from the BBC or any other said provider. It is ANY broadcast. Even if you only use subscription channels you STILL need a licence to receive them.

I believe I stated that a licence was required to DRIVE a car, not to own one. The only qualification required, as far as I am aware, is that one must be aged seventeen or above. Yes, I have no doubt that you can think of cases where this may not be so. Bully for you!

You are perfectly entitled to have ten television sets in your house as long as you don't use them to receive televised broadcasts. There is even a loophole that enables you watch 'catch-up' type programmes. This is bound to occur from time to time as new technology develops. The 'loophole' may or may not be addressed shortly.

The reception rules apply to all signals whether encrypted or not. ALL.
By:
The Leopard
When: 06 Jun 14 11:59
We are lucky to have the Director General posting on chit chat
By:
dustybin
When: 06 Jun 14 12:01
Im saying I see n reason that a european court wouldn't rule against the state for not providing an alternative for the user who seeks only to receive subscription tv.
Its anti competitive in a world that lets private companies pretty much act without regulation.
By:
Room 0182
When: 06 Jun 14 12:25
Yes, naydam we get all that.

What the OP was asking whether the requirement to pay a licence to "receive broadcasts" (the proceeds of which are mostly funnelled to the BBC) should be removed. If the BBC was funded from subscription, there would be no need for a licence or fee, which could be abolished.

The answer to his question is, of course, yes.
By:
naydam
When: 06 Jun 14 13:05
But the fee couldn't be abolished. That, of course, should read 'wouldn't'. Why should it be abolished. If you want to receive broadcasts, then you pay for that privilege. Simple as that. Whatever next? People just broadcasting whatever they want? It simply will not do! Measures of control are necessary. Hence the laws.
By:
Clungehungry
When: 06 Jun 14 13:12
No.

He's perhaps right with the financial model, but we owe it to the arse-end of society to make sure they have access to quality tv. Given the choice, they will just opt for Jeremy Kyle and remain wretched.
By:
dustybin
When: 06 Jun 14 13:29
Only for the news and documentaries, the rest goes on over inflated egos serving their own ends
All the rest is 'entertainment' and irrelevant whether there are adverts or anterior motive, you either like it and watch it or you don't.
Most of the time you wouldn't know what channel you are even watching.
By:
naydam
When: 06 Jun 14 14:08
You would within minutes.
By:
naydam
When: 06 Jun 14 14:17
I'm not suggesting that the BBC should not/could not be funded in a different manner. But these guys are going on about encrypted signals etc. That is a very recent occurrence. It wasn't possible a few years ago.
It would probably mean everybody having to by some sort of set-top box. Once again, bad news for the least well off.

BUT THAT WOULD STILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE TO THE LEGAL REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE A VALID RECEPTION LICENCE!!

I'm goin' now.  Blush
By:
naydam
When: 06 Jun 14 14:19
*buy*  (see you've me mad, now!)  Laugh
By:
breadnbutter
When: 06 Jun 14 14:26
first time i saw a sky dish was in a council estate  clunge ,rows upon rows ,every house had one .Was not till   years later i seen them elsewhere .
By:
Clungehungry
When: 06 Jun 14 15:15
Well, quite.
By:
dustybin
When: 06 Jun 14 15:23
Governments can make the laws they like that doesn't mean they can't be challenged.
I rather suspect the reason the tv licence hasn't been tested in a European court on grounds of constricting commercial freedom is because no company would want to be seen as the company that took down the BBC institution.

A Tory old fart taking backhanders though, that's another question.
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