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By:
ebulGery
When: 29 May 14 14:37
I prefer Russian values at the moment myself
By:
lfc1971
When: 29 May 14 15:11
Ok ebul, I will make it simple for you. When you sentence a young woman to death because
she becomes a christian we say no, those are not the correct values. When a young girl is shot
because she goes to school we say those are not the correct values.

Of course there will be some grey areas but we will  start with the basics and work up to the nicieties.
By:
EastofEden
When: 29 May 14 16:04
should we invade and impose our values on any country that does not share so called western values iyo ?
By:
Mighty Whites 2008
When: 29 May 14 16:05
lfc1971     28 May 14 12:28 
You also have to ask how did Japan and Germany react after the devastating defeat
of WW2...they went on to build two of the greatest countries the world has seen. It is
an example of how socities should behave for the future.


Japan and West Germany completely rebuilt their infrastructure after the war and invested in developing technologically and in manufacturing.

The UK created the welfare state.

Germany have benefited in recent years from the euro while Japan has been a basket case for the last twenty years.
By:
The Leopard
When: 29 May 14 18:27
Japan had a "Job for Life " culture and couldn't get rid of dead wood....made their businesses very uncompetitive

Also....they did not allow many immigrants so workforce cannot support elderly.
By:
The Leopard
When: 29 May 14 18:28

May 29, 2014 -- 1:58PM, Sparrow Hawk wrote:


While we're at it ....lets sort out Iran aswell ! And why not Moscow and Bejing too


I was joshing SpH Wink

By:
G1_Jockey_4
When: 29 May 14 18:32
Yes. Did the world a favour

think the ruskies are doing us a big favour tbh
ukraine is the hub for drug trafficking from south america....corrupt official letting it go on.
russia, by not letting them join the eu, basically stop them from escalating their cartels with free movement across the eu.

im 100% fully behind russia on this.
By:
ebulGery
When: 29 May 14 20:27
EastofEden  • May 29, 2014 4:04 PM BST
should we invade and impose our values on any country that does not share so called western values iyo ?


The world is not a perfect place lfc1971
the incidents you posted are not nice..
bar war is not the solution.. we end up with vastly more people dead
and an even more extreme and intolerant situation than we started with

and perhaps more significantly these were not the reasons we went to war anyway
those reasons were purely selfish
By:
ebulGery
When: 29 May 14 20:28
so no eastofEden
By:
EastofEden
When: 29 May 14 21:00
the west does not go to war to defend its so called values anyway so thats irrelevant

if we did I imagine saudi arabia would be one of the first in the firing line

instead they are best mates and massive supporters of obama cameron and hague in the various middle east adventures

such is the hypocrisy and double standard of western foreign policy
By:
ebulGery
When: 29 May 14 21:25
I think it would be better all round if the US could accept not every country wants it's values
it can have them itself...but can they stop trying to inflict them on everyone else!

The Muslims, amazing as it may seem to us, want to be Muslims, and that does include their women,
they are not prisoners.

Although there are dissenters in all societies, but let us just go what the majority want,
that is what democracy is all about
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