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I'll have a piece of that 1 at 200/1.
Farage can cherry-pick any constituency he likes (Bath probably, where UKIP is strong and has good local party apparatus). A lot will depend on the momentum they have generated after the European and local elections today but 200/1? Where can I get this bet on?
Farage can cherry-pick any constituency he likes (Bath probably, where UKIP is strong and has good local party apparatus). A lot will depend on the momentum they have generated after the European and local elections today but 200/1? Where can I get this bet on?
Sorry Morpeth - and believe me, I'm not a UKIP supporter - but the days of trying to insult UKIP away are long gone now.
UKIP - contested 21 Wards in Rotherham - and WON 10 of them ...
Ukip has won 10 seats in Rotherham, in the process ousting several prominent Labour councillors, including the deputy leader of the council.
The assertive victory was seized on by the anti-EU party as proof that it appeals to working-class Labour voters as well as disaffected Tories. The results far exceeded Ukip hopes and Labour's worst fears.
The [b[anti-EU party won seven seats from Labour[/b] and two from the Conservatives and held the one seat it won in a byelection last year.
It also scooped up votes from the disintegrating British National Party, which had two councillors in its 2008 peak. Labour will keep control of the council it has run for 80 years, but Ukip is now the official opposition.
Ukip has won 10 seats in Rotherham, in the process ousting several prominent Labour councillors, including the deputy leader of the council.
The assertive victory was seized on by the anti-EU party as proof that it appeals to working-class Labour voters as well as disaffected Tories. The results far exceeded Ukip hopes and Labour's worst fears.
The [b[anti-EU party won seven seats from Labour[/b] and two from the Conservatives and held the one seat it won in a byelection last year.
It also scooped up votes from the disintegrating British National Party, which had two councillors in its 2008 peak. Labour will keep control of the council it has run for 80 years, but Ukip is now the official opposition.
call me a taxi 23 May 14 01:48 Joined: 02 Oct 03
Pandora must have a MASSIVE bank.
Posted on the horse race forum yesterday.
had 40 pence in my account at 4pm pandora1963.
A two bob punter with a ten bob mouth.
Pandora must have a MASSIVE bank.
Posted on the horse race forum yesterday.
had 40 pence in my account at 4pm pandora1963.
A two bob punter with a ten bob mouth.
labour-lib dem coalition in next parliment,thats enough to scare anyone to ukip.
Cameron wins next election with boris j having a role as the personality
The worsening immigration figures will see UKIP getting MPs into Westminster next year.
If the figures started to drop that might be a different story, but it's getting late for that now.
The wishful thinking of die hard tribal Labour supporters will not stop the UKIP bandwagon.
If the figures started to drop that might be a different story, but it's getting late for that now.
The wishful thinking of die hard tribal Labour supporters will not stop the UKIP bandwagon.
It's going to be the most fascinating election in living memory.
You have a coalition government defending its record - how will these partners seek to take plaudits and apportion blame for the last 4 years.
You have the rise of populist party for the first time in a Century - how will thy maintain momentum after these elections? What are their policies? How will they get around the notion they are a single issue / protest vote party. What substance is there beyond Farage?
Labour - Having sought to diminish their historical links with the Unions, who exactly do they stand for now? And where will they generate funds for an election?
Really interesting times for anyone with an interest in UK politics
You have a coalition government defending its record - how will these partners seek to take plaudits and apportion blame for the last 4 years.
You have the rise of populist party for the first time in a Century - how will thy maintain momentum after these elections? What are their policies? How will they get around the notion they are a single issue / protest vote party. What substance is there beyond Farage?
Labour - Having sought to diminish their historical links with the Unions, who exactly do they stand for now? And where will they generate funds for an election?
Really interesting times for anyone with an interest in UK politics
I think when push comes to shove the electorate aren't going to fancy milliband, who looks out of his depth.
^ - "looks" 
.................. IS ...
- and always has been -
- and ALWAYS will be.
.................. IS ...- and always has been -
- and ALWAYS will be.
Tricky isn't it Howdi?
You have to factor in the increased coverage / scrutiny all parties will receive, whether there will be TV debates, how well the economy does over the next 12 months and how this translates through to peoples disposable income.
I think the Liberals will make some sort of a fightback if they are honest and say 'We could have sat on the sidelines and been a hectoring minority forever. We chose not to and that meant ditching flagship policies such as no tuition fees. We have curbed the excesses of Tory policy. What more do you expect?'
I think the Tories will make hay off the back of an improved economy (an 'it's all about the economy stupid') despite this being a coalition effort. They will ask for a mandate to 'finish the job'
Sadly I think Labour will flounder. Their 'not everyone is benefitting from a better economy' message does not (at a visceral level) appear to be getting through. Their Union links are diminishing and Miliband is probably the worst of the main party leaders in terms of presence and 'likeability'. This shouldn't be an issue - but it is sadly.
UKIP are the unknown element. Will there be a Con / UKIP pact, even a loose one? Will their policies stand up to robust scrutiny? Will their 'gaffe' factor prove insurmountable? Historically they have never been able to maintain any gains in Euro Elections through to a General Election, but will it be different now? I also think there is a personality gap beyond Farage which will play on voters minds. Plus of course the first past the post system really mitigates against them having a huge representation in Parliament.
Tentatively, I'd say a hung Parliament at this stage, with UKIP taking votes (but not seats to any major degree) off Labour and Conservative, with Liberals doing better than expected (although expectations are very low there anyway!)
Then? Another election at the end of 2015 I'm afraid!
You have to factor in the increased coverage / scrutiny all parties will receive, whether there will be TV debates, how well the economy does over the next 12 months and how this translates through to peoples disposable income.
I think the Liberals will make some sort of a fightback if they are honest and say 'We could have sat on the sidelines and been a hectoring minority forever. We chose not to and that meant ditching flagship policies such as no tuition fees. We have curbed the excesses of Tory policy. What more do you expect?'
I think the Tories will make hay off the back of an improved economy (an 'it's all about the economy stupid') despite this being a coalition effort. They will ask for a mandate to 'finish the job'
Sadly I think Labour will flounder. Their 'not everyone is benefitting from a better economy' message does not (at a visceral level) appear to be getting through. Their Union links are diminishing and Miliband is probably the worst of the main party leaders in terms of presence and 'likeability'. This shouldn't be an issue - but it is sadly.
UKIP are the unknown element. Will there be a Con / UKIP pact, even a loose one? Will their policies stand up to robust scrutiny? Will their 'gaffe' factor prove insurmountable? Historically they have never been able to maintain any gains in Euro Elections through to a General Election, but will it be different now? I also think there is a personality gap beyond Farage which will play on voters minds. Plus of course the first past the post system really mitigates against them having a huge representation in Parliament.
Tentatively, I'd say a hung Parliament at this stage, with UKIP taking votes (but not seats to any major degree) off Labour and Conservative, with Liberals doing better than expected (although expectations are very low there anyway!)
Then? Another election at the end of 2015 I'm afraid!
Labour won't get through a parliament if they do manage to sneak in. There'll be so much infighting over their spending plans that they'll bring themselves down.
i remember the sdp and the gang of 4 going to blow away the big parties
dr david owen for pm, etc etc
will ukip continue and get wiped out over time, or sell out and take the
tory whip ?
dr david owen for pm, etc etc
will ukip continue and get wiped out over time, or sell out and take the
tory whip ?
Feel free to bring it back when it's proven completely wrong on post-Election day 2015!!
I think the thing with the SDP was it was a 'top-down' Westminster-bubble initiated movement, whereas UKIP seems much more grass roots and therefore stronger.
UKIP has issues, certainly in who is there beyond Farage and it's appeal beyond the South (although it seems to have made headway in the North of England in the local elections and one has to presume, the Euro Elections too). But in Scotland? Wales? London?
UKIP has issues, certainly in who is there beyond Farage and it's appeal beyond the South (although it seems to have made headway in the North of England in the local elections and one has to presume, the Euro Elections too). But in Scotland? Wales? London?
having farage around until the next election removes a lot of the mud
slinging on to the major parties, he will cop plenty of flack that
would otherwise land on cameron clegg and miliband, they have therefore
been not too unhappy to allow him to be around, until the real campaign
starts.
an interesting year ahead
slinging on to the major parties, he will cop plenty of flack that
would otherwise land on cameron clegg and miliband, they have therefore
been not too unhappy to allow him to be around, until the real campaign
starts.
an interesting year ahead
i remember the sdp and the gang of 4 going to blow away the big parties
Absolutely Donny.
The other parties countered that by becoming social democrats themselves. Well they are now anyway.
Labour went to the right and the Tories have gone to the left and took the choice out of politics.
Now UKIP have come along and put the choice back.
Absolutely Donny.
The other parties countered that by becoming social democrats themselves. Well they are now anyway.
Labour went to the right and the Tories have gone to the left and took the choice out of politics.
Now UKIP have come along and put the choice back.
the parties are starting to realise -insulting the voters and ukip hasn't worked
but that doesn't apply to the sophisticated critics of ukip on here
but that doesn't apply to the sophisticated critics of ukip on here
For me it has to be labour going back to grass roots and socialism.
Whilst it is stuffed full of professional politicians who resemble nothing like many of the electorate and has tried to rig urban areas by flooiding them with immigrants to guarantee votes, they will fail.
Many of the representatives of Labour I have seen on TV appear to be smooth, well groomed operators who have had full american style grooming in how to look and speak. They do not answer questions and try to pander to everyone and end up falling between two camps of voters.
The spiteful large lady on sky (labour) and chukka defy explanation. And as for that tristan on QT - I think the sneering curled lip doesn't work any more matey. Give it up and listen to people.
My silly 'ostrich who sticks head in sand gets sore bottom' or ' man in road gets run over', applies here.
Whilst it is stuffed full of professional politicians who resemble nothing like many of the electorate and has tried to rig urban areas by flooiding them with immigrants to guarantee votes, they will fail.
Many of the representatives of Labour I have seen on TV appear to be smooth, well groomed operators who have had full american style grooming in how to look and speak. They do not answer questions and try to pander to everyone and end up falling between two camps of voters.
The spiteful large lady on sky (labour) and chukka defy explanation. And as for that tristan on QT - I think the sneering curled lip doesn't work any more matey. Give it up and listen to people.
My silly 'ostrich who sticks head in sand gets sore bottom' or ' man in road gets run over', applies here.
back to grass roots and socialism.
moisok, do you mean nationalisation?
moisok, do you mean nationalisation?
Oh most certainly Dr. Or even moist certainly, as some would.
Large corporations are pro EU because they benefit a great deal from it. And as we all know, what benefits large corporations doesn't really benefit everyone else.
The reason for this is twofold-the EU is one giant protection racket. It is a huge barrier to people who trade outside of it via tariffs and duties which pushes up the prices of their cheaper goods. Thus higher prices are maintained (not good for us), developing countries are denied access to a large market (not good for them) and large corporations maintain decent profits as a result (good for them).
Secondly, open borders act as a huge benefit to multinationals. When you're that large, you can pick and choose countries where you want to base your manufacturing/headquarters etc. Case in point the Pfizer/Astrazeneca bid, where part of the reason for the bid meant that Pfizer could relocate it's tax base from the USA to the UK and therefore pay less tax. That's the scale that these companies can, and do, think.
So how does it apply to the workforce? Imagine you're a huge company and you have large operations in the UK. You've mechanised, you've streamlined, you've cut every cost you can. And yet you still have a legacy workforce who are working with decent pay and benefits and this is a huge cost. So how can you cut costs here, you can't just mechanise everything can you.
Enter the EU and it's insistence on letting poor countries enter the EU. Does anyone stop to think what the benefit is to the EU for doing this? It is still primarily a trading bloc after all. What benefit is there letting such poor countries into the EU-they don't have any remarkable markets that we need access to and don't have any great manufacturing pedigree/technology that we need.
So why let them in? Simple. Because it allows large corporations access to even cheaper labour and it works in 2 ways. Large companies can either relocate their bases to these countries in order to access the cheap labour markets. And they also they know that these cheap workers will go to the larger industrialised countries and compete with the legacy native workers on cost. Gradually the legacy native workers are replaced by people who do the same job but cheaper.
Or, and here's when it gets awesome for the bigboys-they can do both! Do you ever wonder why they say they will lose so much money if the UK leaves the EU? It's because their access to cheap labour coming into the UK! And why do they threaten us? Because if we leave the EU then they will leave the UK entirely and go to, guess where. Yup, the countries with the cheapest labour. Get it now?
You have to think big with all this stuff. All the petty cr*p on these comment pages is maddening because it's just a distraction from all the real structural reasons and issues which are never debated.
Oh yeah-one more reason to show why corporations and govt are complicit in this race to the bottom.
With QE going on everywhere, the money in your pocket is worth less. Which means that there is inflation everywhere. Govts massage inflation figures as much as they can to show inflation isn't 'too' bad. We all know it's rubbish and that real inflation is about 5-8% per year. That's how much purchasing power we lose each year. Fab.
And the main thing that stops this from going into hyper inflation? It's perverse, and it's wage inflation. If people see high inflation rates then they will want wage increases to keep up, and far more than they do already. After all, if inflation was 6% would you accept 1.5% wage increase? If wages go up across the board then inflation goes absolutely batsh*t as more money is created across the entire economy of millions of people, as opposed to the £300 billion which only flows towards the top of the money pyramid (guess who gets all that cheap money. Go on, guess!).
Soooooo importing cheap labour helps to stop wage inflation as legacy workers on their higher rates are replaced by cheaper workers who will accept less. Wages are depressed. And legacy workers who keep their jobs are dissuaded from asking for pay raises as they know that they can be replaced by cheaper foreign workers. Job done for all Western govts and large corporations-they both win. Seems to be all too common nowadays as opposed to the populations of their countries.
The reason for this is twofold-the EU is one giant protection racket. It is a huge barrier to people who trade outside of it via tariffs and duties which pushes up the prices of their cheaper goods. Thus higher prices are maintained (not good for us), developing countries are denied access to a large market (not good for them) and large corporations maintain decent profits as a result (good for them).
Secondly, open borders act as a huge benefit to multinationals. When you're that large, you can pick and choose countries where you want to base your manufacturing/headquarters etc. Case in point the Pfizer/Astrazeneca bid, where part of the reason for the bid meant that Pfizer could relocate it's tax base from the USA to the UK and therefore pay less tax. That's the scale that these companies can, and do, think.
So how does it apply to the workforce? Imagine you're a huge company and you have large operations in the UK. You've mechanised, you've streamlined, you've cut every cost you can. And yet you still have a legacy workforce who are working with decent pay and benefits and this is a huge cost. So how can you cut costs here, you can't just mechanise everything can you.
Enter the EU and it's insistence on letting poor countries enter the EU. Does anyone stop to think what the benefit is to the EU for doing this? It is still primarily a trading bloc after all. What benefit is there letting such poor countries into the EU-they don't have any remarkable markets that we need access to and don't have any great manufacturing pedigree/technology that we need.
So why let them in? Simple. Because it allows large corporations access to even cheaper labour and it works in 2 ways. Large companies can either relocate their bases to these countries in order to access the cheap labour markets. And they also they know that these cheap workers will go to the larger industrialised countries and compete with the legacy native workers on cost. Gradually the legacy native workers are replaced by people who do the same job but cheaper.
Or, and here's when it gets awesome for the bigboys-they can do both! Do you ever wonder why they say they will lose so much money if the UK leaves the EU? It's because their access to cheap labour coming into the UK! And why do they threaten us? Because if we leave the EU then they will leave the UK entirely and go to, guess where. Yup, the countries with the cheapest labour. Get it now?
You have to think big with all this stuff. All the petty cr*p on these comment pages is maddening because it's just a distraction from all the real structural reasons and issues which are never debated.
Oh yeah-one more reason to show why corporations and govt are complicit in this race to the bottom.
With QE going on everywhere, the money in your pocket is worth less. Which means that there is inflation everywhere. Govts massage inflation figures as much as they can to show inflation isn't 'too' bad. We all know it's rubbish and that real inflation is about 5-8% per year. That's how much purchasing power we lose each year. Fab.
And the main thing that stops this from going into hyper inflation? It's perverse, and it's wage inflation. If people see high inflation rates then they will want wage increases to keep up, and far more than they do already. After all, if inflation was 6% would you accept 1.5% wage increase? If wages go up across the board then inflation goes absolutely batsh*t as more money is created across the entire economy of millions of people, as opposed to the £300 billion which only flows towards the top of the money pyramid (guess who gets all that cheap money. Go on, guess!).
Soooooo importing cheap labour helps to stop wage inflation as legacy workers on their higher rates are replaced by cheaper workers who will accept less. Wages are depressed. And legacy workers who keep their jobs are dissuaded from asking for pay raises as they know that they can be replaced by cheaper foreign workers. Job done for all Western govts and large corporations-they both win. Seems to be all too common nowadays as opposed to the populations of their countries.
I also don't see ukip getting many, as the voting system is skewed. Funny, you don't hear much from the libs about PR anymore either. If we did have PR you would be looking at 15 to 20 percent of the seats for UKIP. I think Labour need to reform but they will not. Too many nasty sneering careerists whose jobs would be at risk (both now and in the future when they work for the eu)
I won't be greedy Pandora I'll have £5 @ 100000/1 is that ok?
I think Labour need to reform but they will not. Too many nasty sneering careerists whose jobs would be at risk (both now and in the future when they work for the eu)
Milliband made a mistake hanging on to Ed Balls and Yvette what's her name
Time for a reshuffle getting rid of the discredited old guard, but hope they don't Moisok as don't want them back in power any time soon.
Milliband made a mistake hanging on to Ed Balls and Yvette what's her name
Time for a reshuffle getting rid of the discredited old guard, but hope they don't Moisok as don't want them back in power any time soon.
sorry foinavon I am a rabid 'red under the bed' but yes they sure did some serious damage to this country over 13 years etc
call me a taxi
23 May 14 01:48
Pandora must have a MASSIVE bank
Black_and_Tans1920-1922
23 May 14 09:18
Posted on the horse race forum yesterday.
had 40 pence in my account at 4pm pandora1963.
A two bob punter with a ten bob mouth.
pandora1963
22 May 14 22:13
had 40 pence in my account at 4pm
before reloading I thought I would stick a few pennies on greyhounds on the arrce,got the f/c 5-6 for 10 p won 14 quid. A few more lays then I had £2 o the outsider of one of the maidens at Salisbury,bank now £58 quid. Couple of £10 lays on short priced horses in the states and a few little lays on evening outsiders and my bank is back to £100. It can be done.
Burt, roger and others, it looks like we aren't getting on at the advertised prices in the OP.
23 May 14 01:48
Pandora must have a MASSIVE bank
Black_and_Tans1920-1922
23 May 14 09:18
Posted on the horse race forum yesterday.
had 40 pence in my account at 4pm pandora1963.
A two bob punter with a ten bob mouth.
pandora1963
22 May 14 22:13
had 40 pence in my account at 4pm
before reloading I thought I would stick a few pennies on greyhounds on the arrce,got the f/c 5-6 for 10 p won 14 quid. A few more lays then I had £2 o the outsider of one of the maidens at Salisbury,bank now £58 quid. Couple of £10 lays on short priced horses in the states and a few little lays on evening outsiders and my bank is back to £100. It can be done.
Burt, roger and others, it looks like we aren't getting on at the advertised prices in the OP.
what is the case - watching the tv is that the main parties still do not get it - they are still clinging to what they are and what their approach is - they still don't want to discuss immigration and its effect on the services/utilities/job market etc.
Also failing to accept that we cannot do anything about most of immigration and many laws etc because it is the eu that is in charge.
Also failing to accept that we cannot do anything about most of immigration and many laws etc because it is the eu that is in charge.
Don't think that going back to grass roots and socialism will help them though Moisok. We saw that with Michael Foot who was a great intellect but couldn't sell his ideas to the public.
Foinavon • May 23, 2014 1:13 PM BST
I think Labour need to reform but they will not. Too many nasty sneering careerists whose jobs would be at risk (both now and in the future when they work for the eu)
Milliband made a mistake hanging on to Ed Balls and Yvette what's her name
Time for a reshuffle getting rid of the discredited old guard, but hope they don't Moisok as don't want them back in power any time soon.
POST OF THE DAY
How Cooper can blame immigration and cost of living crisis on others is utterly vile
I think Labour need to reform but they will not. Too many nasty sneering careerists whose jobs would be at risk (both now and in the future when they work for the eu)
Milliband made a mistake hanging on to Ed Balls and Yvette what's her name
Time for a reshuffle getting rid of the discredited old guard, but hope they don't Moisok as don't want them back in power any time soon.
POST OF THE DAY
How Cooper can blame immigration and cost of living crisis on others is utterly vile
just listen to them live - they haven't and won't change - as a socialist I cringe at the labour politicoes - they look and sound the same as tories
remember animal farm when they looked in the window and saw the pigs standing up like the humans!!??
we know what the posh boys are
but thats what labour sound and look like too - not a dirty working hand in site - only nice dresses and suits
nothing in commmon with a vast number of the population!!! mainly nice middle class educated precise speaking suits - not a regional accent amongst them etcetc etc !!!
remember animal farm when they looked in the window and saw the pigs standing up like the humans!!??
we know what the posh boys are
but thats what labour sound and look like too - not a dirty working hand in site - only nice dresses and suits
nothing in commmon with a vast number of the population!!! mainly nice middle class educated precise speaking suits - not a regional accent amongst them etcetc etc !!!
never imagined he would have CMAT, probably one of northernlads waiters
Thanks Howdi.
I share your dislike of the Posh boys too Moisok and have never voted Tory. At heart I'm a Liberal but they have no chance on their own.
I share your dislike of the Posh boys too Moisok and have never voted Tory. At heart I'm a Liberal but they have no chance on their own.
interesting discussion, with some good points made
I think yesterdays vote was all about a protest against our immigration levels. The 2 main parties have been far too complacent.
2 1/2 million unemployed, we really don't need more people here.
The problem is, the rest of UKip's policies are extreme right wing. They are to the right of the Tories, they need to be to the left imo.
How on earth can they attract any socialist voters, except those who feel very strongly over immigration??????
Like moisok I shall return to base and vote Labour, with misgivings. Everyone usually goes back to the big 2 at at general elections.
just my own opinion
ps
Clegg has single handedly destroyed the libdems imo
I think yesterdays vote was all about a protest against our immigration levels. The 2 main parties have been far too complacent.
2 1/2 million unemployed, we really don't need more people here.
The problem is, the rest of UKip's policies are extreme right wing. They are to the right of the Tories, they need to be to the left imo.
How on earth can they attract any socialist voters, except those who feel very strongly over immigration??????
Like moisok I shall return to base and vote Labour, with misgivings. Everyone usually goes back to the big 2 at at general elections.
just my own opinion
ps
Clegg has single handedly destroyed the libdems imo
Burton-Brewers
23 May 14 13:58
never imagined he would have CMAT, probably one of northernlads waiters
23 May 14 13:58
never imagined he would have CMAT, probably one of northernlads waiters
We were very silly to reject proportional representation
we would have had a lot more democracy
we would have had a lot more democracy
The trouble is, we have always had a two party system
I think it started as the Tories and the Wigs(now liberals)
the only change has been we switched to Tories and Labour, after about 200 years(they pushed out Liberals)
so one change in 300 odd years...it is nigh on impossible for anyone to break this
At the general election people will vote Tory to keep Labour out...or Labour to keep the Tories out
and we just vote for a party not on issues
I think it started as the Tories and the Wigs(now liberals)
the only change has been we switched to Tories and Labour, after about 200 years(they pushed out Liberals)
so one change in 300 odd years...it is nigh on impossible for anyone to break this
At the general election people will vote Tory to keep Labour out...or Labour to keep the Tories out
and we just vote for a party not on issues
The problem with UKIP is that they only have one string to their bow, immigration
it is a good one, but can anyone build a party on just one issue??????
I will have a look to see what else they offer between now and the general election
but they must offer something
I hope they win some seats, otherwise they may just fade away
we shall see
it is a good one, but can anyone build a party on just one issue??????
I will have a look to see what else they offer between now and the general election
but they must offer something
I hope they win some seats, otherwise they may just fade away
we shall see
are you still saving hard to pay out on these bets?
Enough to have the islington guardianista brigade vomiting into their lentil porridge with rage.
Ukip's support runs much deeper than immigration, though this is their trump card.
The anti-politics sentiment has been building for years and is reaching a crescendo with ukip being the main beneficiaries. It would be wrong to characterise it as protest vote as this would imply its a temporary mid term kicking of the main parties but I think ukips support will hold to the election. Whether it brings them many seats is another matter but I'd now be surprised if they didn't manage a couple.
I agree with ebulgery about the effective disintegration of the 2, maybe 3, party system. The Lib Dems are finished - forget the polls, just look at their vote share at local, euro and by-elections. The bright glare of a general election campaign will melt Miliband and the Tories - or rather Cameron - might scrape the most MPs in a hung Parliament.
Who then forms a coalition is anyone's guess as it will be finely balanced depending on the precise number of seats but I can't imagine the Lib Dems having much more appetite for coalition. Indeed there's every chance the 3rd biggest party will be the SNP. For these reasons, I think the best bet is a conservative minority government. Not very appealing.
The anti-politics sentiment has been building for years and is reaching a crescendo with ukip being the main beneficiaries. It would be wrong to characterise it as protest vote as this would imply its a temporary mid term kicking of the main parties but I think ukips support will hold to the election. Whether it brings them many seats is another matter but I'd now be surprised if they didn't manage a couple.
I agree with ebulgery about the effective disintegration of the 2, maybe 3, party system. The Lib Dems are finished - forget the polls, just look at their vote share at local, euro and by-elections. The bright glare of a general election campaign will melt Miliband and the Tories - or rather Cameron - might scrape the most MPs in a hung Parliament.
Who then forms a coalition is anyone's guess as it will be finely balanced depending on the precise number of seats but I can't imagine the Lib Dems having much more appetite for coalition. Indeed there's every chance the 3rd biggest party will be the SNP. For these reasons, I think the best bet is a conservative minority government. Not very appealing.
Pandora is symptomatic of the thinking of many on the left in British politics. Totally divorced from reality but determined to foist their warped views onto the rest of us and to silence dissent.
I said a dozen after UKIP won the European elections,it could easily be more than that if the Lib Dems disappear. They won't be missed (former member to my shame).
30/40 the people demand something doing over immigration which hasent happened for 40 years
I'll have £ 5 on 1 (200/1) and £5 on THE REST (100000/1) please.
Where do I send the cheque?
Where do I send the cheque?
Yes Burt
I think that my good friend and ally alun2005 may be forced to launch into a lengthy diatribe about 'bet dodgers' on here, should UKIP get one seat, and Pandora fails to pay up.
I think that my good friend and ally alun2005 may be forced to launch into a lengthy diatribe about 'bet dodgers' on here, should UKIP get one seat, and Pandora fails to pay up.
I am giving my winnings to the RSPCA unless anyone else has any thoughts on it
I've informed the Injured Jockeys Fund they are possibly in for a windfall.
He was his usual full of sh*t self on the politics forum this morning
'the day I run from a low life like you is the day i die'
I posted that this thread had been resurrected, and 'if UKIP get one seat, your demise may come sooner than you wish.'
He hasn't posted since.
'the day I run from a low life like you is the day i die'
I posted that this thread had been resurrected, and 'if UKIP get one seat, your demise may come sooner than you wish.'
He hasn't posted since.
Just a few hours to go before this thread tops all the epic mug bets on the Joci Club thread.
There are some fantastic payouts due here.
Well done all who took the big prices.
Well done all who took the big prices.
There can be no backing out of paying these bets out.
We've already had the shame of TWO lefties failing to pay out on substantial bets on the Politics and Chit Chat forums in the last few years, and there can be no hiding place for a third.
The two who haven't paid up still have active accounts but haven't posted since they were discovered to be crushingly wrong about their presumptuous bets.
We've already had the shame of TWO lefties failing to pay out on substantial bets on the Politics and Chit Chat forums in the last few years, and there can be no hiding place for a third.
The two who haven't paid up still have active accounts but haven't posted since they were discovered to be crushingly wrong about their presumptuous bets.
He lied on a thread the other day and told Burton-Brewers he was betting on council elections, in May, last year.
If I'm not mistaken, the thread title says 'next year'.
That would be this year wouldn't it, therefore 2015.
The luvvies love to lie.
If I'm not mistaken, the thread title says 'next year'.
That would be this year wouldn't it, therefore 2015.
The luvvies love to lie.
Bloody hell, I just noticed I'm potentially in for a lumpy payout as well !!
Bet placed 24 Nov 14.
Hopefully I am RICH !!! All the money I lost on Plaid Cymru ruling the UK has been recouped, AND MORE.
My life will be all about Fast Women and Glove Puppets. Who fancies coming along for the ride?
Bet placed 24 Nov 14.
Hopefully I am RICH !!! All the money I lost on Plaid Cymru ruling the UK has been recouped, AND MORE.
My life will be all about Fast Women and Glove Puppets. Who fancies coming along for the ride?
I'm in.
Get round to Ivors and borrow his Jaguar.
Get round to Ivors and borrow his Jaguar.
I've just phoned the RSPCA pandora, they said many thanks and...............................................
12.5% of the vote after the SNP and Tories easily the third best result.
No, still waiting. I expect it will be Monday now after the close of banking business for the weekend.
He was warned on the politics forum to speak to his bank manager.
There's a big fat zero all right and it's sitting in his trousers. Or more accurately not. It's not well known that by some bizarre bye law that eunachs don't have to pay out on bets struck. Pandora was last seen heading for the hills with a pair of tweezers, a pen knife and a bottle of paracetamol.
I should`nt i know, as he has been ridiculed enough, but
They say the tallest poppies are cut first. I suppose it also applies to ar5es sticking up in the air as well.
They always do it don't they? They play the billy big bollllox and then run like buggery with their trousers round their ankles. Is dignity a word with which the likes of pandddddora are unfamiliar? Come out man and face the music you wretched scoundrel.
I'm afraid there will be now way back for this herbert on any Forum if he fails to pay out. The odds were offered, the bets were taken, and the results are in.
Failure to pay out would mean automatic membership of an Elite Hall of Shame, famously already inhabited by lefties like The Jester from Chester and the disgraced TwelfthofNeverKid.
Failure to pay out would mean automatic membership of an Elite Hall of Shame, famously already inhabited by lefties like The Jester from Chester and the disgraced TwelfthofNeverKid.
pandy
i owe u a oner
please provide bank details
urs in sport
Capt F
i owe u a oner
please provide bank details
urs in sport
Capt F
The minute I get paid out I think I'll reinvest in a Labour leadership contest bet.
There's a horse entered at York tomorrow named Pandora.
Bound to run like a c*nt.
Bound to run like a c*nt.
.
http://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/30490209/i-am-leaving-the-country-if-the-tories-get-in
http://community.betfair.com/chit_chat/go/thread/view/94038/30490209/i-am-leaving-the-country-if-the-tories-get-in
Bumped for HH Sultan Vinegar.
We also have some fine gentlemen on the Politics Forum who have not yet settled some bets.
We also have some fine gentlemen on the Politics Forum who have not yet settled some bets.
news just breaking that Kent police investigating electoral fraud at South Thanet
spellingandgrammarchecker
12 May 15 22:22
There's a horse entered at York tomorrow named Pandora.
Bound to run like a c*nt.
It did.
yes I'm sure it was in tears at the end and threatening to gallop to Scotland
Bit of luck knobhead would have been shot on the M6.
Looking forward to the prompt settlement (i.e. almost 4 months overdue already) of these bets, possibly from the money won on the (doubtless non-existent) Corbyn bets.
As 2016 comes to an end, has anyone been paid out yet on the many thousands of pound sterling owed to them?
Still not seen a penny.
Still not seen a penny.
I haven't been paid, but that's hardly surprising is it.
Pandora
18 Apr 15 11:41
If the tories win the election I’m leaving the country.
Pandora
18 Apr 15 11:41
If the tories win the election I’m leaving the country.
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