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If labour had won the last election they'd have cut the same as the Tories have. Don't believe the politics from Balls.
Labour voted for the welfare cap I mentioned earlier. So unless they go back on that there'll be no spending spree if labour get elected. They're committed to continuing the cuts. Interest rates are due to rise immediately after the election as well. |
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Conservatives now sorting it out and doing a great job
![]() Millions living in poverty ,millions more on the brink ,yes they are doing a fine Job ![]() |
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Same old people on here turning everything into a "Yes, but labour are crap etc etc blah blah blah"
injera: £94bn is spent on welfare for those of working age. Presumably this includes rebates for wealthy people for child care, and child allowance, and some welfare for SOME of those in need - Although it would seem you'd like to stop anyone who's poor getting any help unless they unblock your drains for you. Would Labour increase this?? Is that the way to go? Possibly - They're not much better than the current selfish half-wits who pillage so much from us. We're already living in the most socialist times I can recall. You obviously don't go very far back, either that or you have memory issues. Tax credits subsidising big companies for example. Why would a company give a pay increase when the govt with a Tory PM tops up the employee's money via benefits?? The same companies who bank offshore and pay a fraction of the tax they should? The same companies who use what should be spent on tax to expand, squeeze out opposition and take fortunes from the economy. The same big companies that take advantage of free labour provided by the current 'workhouse ethic'? The Foodbank thing baffles me. It surely must be down to shocking housekeeping by most of those who use them. Or, it could be that you just don't know and cannot empathise with the poor sods degraded enough to have to use them. A bit "let them eat cake" from you there. Where are the families and friends of these people in need??? Why should the govt with it's £94bn handout scheme be blamed!?? Not everyone is like you. Not everyone has friends and family who can help. I come back to my rice buying. I get it in bulk. £14.99 for 10kg. Do you eat rice on its own, or do you have anything with it. Works out at LESS than 20p a portion. TWENTY PENCE. Ok, "let them eat rice" then Do those who use foodbanks have any measure in place whatsoever for a crisis? Any stocks of dried food for example? I fear not and I fear a malaise among people not to take responsibility and not to look to family and friends. Yes people LOVE using foodbanks. They're not embarrassing at all. Of course there are genuine cases but 1m people using foodbanks. Really?? Yes, really. I have seldom seen such pompous, holier than thou pontificating. Are you a Tory MP, or merely someone who's as out of touch and selfish as one? |
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Labour criticized the cons plans in place now - they wouldn't work , - Lord only knows therefore, what they would have done and what they will [put in place if they get in .
No Sally labour were running this country into the ground with no direction before the election - heaven help us!! |
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The country is fecked because of what's been done to it since 1979. Privatisation has buggered us all and it's made worse by the privatised companies being sold to foreign Nationalsed companies!!! The constant cuts to Health and education, year on year so there's a fraction left of what was there to start with. The constant marketing, need for profit growth and help for the wealthiest has completely fuucked 95% of us. If anyone ever starts to realise it, the government (which is comprised of absolutely no-one who has to suffer) will spread bullplop propaganda telling us how we can't afford things and difficult decisions need to be made, whilst themselves living in consummate luxury and whilst wasting billions on our behalf. Labour were no better than what came before, because they continued what was started andbecause they were led by a closet Tory. There is no political party which will solve our problems, they're all cunnts. The Tories are just worse and more corrupt than the others, and they always have been. They have always been the wealthiest (not pseudo well-off like the twunts who sing their praises so vehemently), warmongering, out of touch, self-centred of all governments going back to the time of Robert Walpole, they will never be any different. |
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hear hear study
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Food banks?
Free food on top of benefits, of course people will use them. They turn up in their cars for the free nosh. |
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i use a spacehopper
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Well done STUDYFORM.
There's some unbelievable posts on here ! |
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You all live in a bubble I'm afraid - have a look around !!
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I wish I did live in a bubble, it'd be a good deal better the society I do find myself in...
Having looked around. |
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Study - Don't disagree some are having it hard , all govmnts basically look after their own and feed us 'bits' , however the majority are seeing improvement at the moment , though I'll grant you not there yet!
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I'm not sure I'd agree it's the majority. Some might be seeing slight improvement, but for the least well off there would need to be a massive improvement in income.
For the Majority I would suggest there's no discernible difference except their house might be worth a bit more, which doesn't really help anyone much, apart from banks and building societies. |
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http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/may/19/guardian-not-fit-to-join-press-regulator-says-civil-servant
This caseby character does seem vile to me. But really the guardian do need to be whiter than white or their criticism of others will smack of hypocrisy. Polly Toynbee will distort and manipulate statistics with the best of them, looks like she really took the p1ss this time thouh. About time she got the spanish archer. |
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She may have made some bona fide errors rob, but I'm not sure she is quite such a cynical manipulator of statistics as you would have us believe.
Unlike the DWP: http://tiny.cc/gvj8fx |
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I doubt if food has ever been cheaper in real terms. Just look at the price of the food that is on offer at FarmFoods, Iceland and the basics range at Tesco etc. The poundland and B & M Bargains shops also stock food at very, very low prices. Add that to the food on the food in all supermarkets in the bargain, sell by date up areas and there are few excuses for not having money for food.
No money for food is a symptom of other things. Whether it is pay day loans, disorganised lifestyles, lack of planning, drug, alcohol and tobacco dependency, lack of cooking knowhow, care in the community, fecklessness, mental health issues, inability to budget, lack of family support, lack of social services support, the entire benefits system, lack of personal responsibility, acquiescence to the capitalist world of advertising and marketing where we are told what is important is... smart phones, sky, internet, brand name clothes etc. And many of those have underlying causes that should ideally be tackled….. As is very often the case, the symptom is being treated as it is much easier to do than treat the cause. |
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This country is in recession and the entire world is in recession because of the Credit Crunch
Unfortunately this is near impossible to recover from. Every time governments and firms go on an austerity drive more people end up out of work, so less money to spend, this is no good for business, so more people get laid off we are in a cycle of contraction Keynesian Economics got us out of the 1929 Wall Street crash, buy now - pay later. Unfortunately Keynesian economics got us into this mess...plenty of buy now, not a lot of paying later. Our debts are already too high. Another thing where is everything made now, not here, but in the Far East or Germany...if this country wants to get rich it must compete better. I believe we must control our population now, we cannot just go on increasing it anymore We must cut our coat to suit our cloth All the Tories have done is to lay off public service workers reduce the welfare bill and blame the victims of the recession. There is, and was only one way out...copy Germany..but we will never do it, we are too divisive as a society. I see little hope for us. Most businesses work on very tight profit margins now, scarcely any at all. |
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Can someone tell me the real average wage in the UK?
Its always seem to be quoted around £28k but considering the amount of people in low paid employment (Supermarkets) I can't beleive it |
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there are also plenty of high earners, e.g. bankers, footballers who are on several million p.a., which is well over the average
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It would have been interesting if labour had won the last election to see how they would have tackled the deficit.
Nevertheless the country thought that putting Labour in charge was too much of a risk given their record of tax borrow and spend. So the country fell back on the Tories to put things right as they usually do. Tribal Labour supporters please take note. |
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When 11,000,000,000,000 dollars has been stolen in America alone through control fraud in the banking sector then thats going to cause one hell of a hole within a finite economy.
Everything else is simply fiddling while Rome burns. Its immaterial what this government says its doing, or for that matter what the last government did in continuing the fraud, the buck lies with the deregulation double act of reagan and thatcher in the race to the bottom. No prosecutions nor reform either so the cancer is still there. https://www.ted.com/talks/william_black_how_to_rob_a_bank_from_the_inside_that_is |
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MisterBadger 22 May 14 15:20
there are also plenty of high earners, e.g. bankers, footballers who are on several million p.a., which is well over the average So is the £28k figure just a basic mean average? (and then completely pointless) |
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as I understand it, yes
I think it also includes only those in full time work, so yes, essentially meaningless ![]() |
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I think it was 24k a few years ago, but that I believe is the number that represents the equal number of people earning earning more than that to the number earning less.
The mean I seem to recall was actually around 16-18 Or it might have been the other way around ![]() |
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MisterBadger
22 May 14 15:20 there are also plenty of high earners, e.g. bankers, footballers who are on several million p.a., which is well over the average I beg to differ. Nobody EARNS £1,000,000 + year. And getting paid megabucks for kicking a ball round with 21 other nancy boys for 90 minutes a week is ludicrous. |
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I agree, I was using the term loosely... and it's worse than ludicrous, it's frankly obscene imo
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Absolutely agree
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The fans fund the footballers wages. They are the ones to blame. Good luck to the footballers, at least it is a meritocracy.
Bankers are a different matter altogether. We cant functionwithout banks so need to use them. And it isnt a meritocracy, more of an old boys club. |
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sky tv money also funds footballers' wages, they are mainly the ones to blame.
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People that pay for aky sports are to blame also i agree.
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I feel sorry for the genuinely unemployed looking for work. There are very few decent jobs out there.
These schemes for getting back to work are just a way of massaging the figures - if you are on a scheme you are not counted as unemployed - and 100's of 1000's are on schemes at any one time. Labour did this for years with the 'New Deal'. Tories have taken it to the next level |
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We do not have the grinding poverty we had in the 1930s...a lot of that is because
our goods and services are much better...the triumph of capitalism I still fail to see how anyone can live a life of indolent luxury on £70 a week our government claims the truth there is no work...we are still in recession |
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Tories believe the only way the rich can work is by giving them more money...cut taxes
but the only way the poor can work is by giving them less money, so cut benefits |
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I don't mind the Tories winning the next general election as Cameron has promised to protect old age pensions
but from a moral point of view, I will vote Labour Apart from their promise to cut immigration UKIP are even more right ring than the Tories so I don't see how they can ever attract the socialist voter, all their votes must come from the Tories |
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rob_dylan • May 22, 2014 8:37 PM BST
People that pay for sky sports are to blame also i agree. How do you work that out??????????????????????????? They just like watching sport on telly that is all, they are not to blame for anything I agree football wages are obscene, but that is not the fault of a TV viewer, footballers are paid as entertainers |
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ebulGery
23 May 14 00:28 the truth there is no work...we are still in recession. There is tons of work. There has to be, because successive govts. have had to let in immigrants to do it... |
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not near me there aint...and I live in the S.E.
immigrants undercut our workers |
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If there is tons of work...40 hours at minimum wage, at least
how come there is 2 1/2 million unemployed?????????? |
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There can't be 2,500,000 unemployed, or the clever chaps in Westminster wouldn't have let in so many unskilled immigrants.
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ah well..nail on head taxi...they are not clever, they are stupid!
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