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the 4 groups of people who care about gay marriage ...
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The main argument for gay marriage was equality, straights have marriage so why not gays, Roger
and this is a very strong argument My objection to this is, can you actually equalise marriage  It has a very specific meaning and function for us. It is not just about love. It is to bring men and women together to have children, and raise them in a safe, balanced and secure environment, (although children are not compulsory), you could argue it is a sense of duty. There is a sense of decent family values. It is also a very basic framework of our society. People feel safe with this definition. This is a reasonable defence, perhaps other things. I am not sure gay sex fits in here. I don't actually blame gays in this, as they are interested in all things gay, reasonable. I think government is at fault for making a very poor decision. |
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If I was attacking posts rather than posters I'd be here all day! This started out with a basic premise of no one cares about gay marriage (they clearly do), sauntered off into how the vociferous and mighty Christian hoteliers pressure group would square their consciences as well as their bank balences and, by way of the usual purile 'jokes' whenever this subject crops up, onto your (and I'm not being patronising here) measured and thought provoking contribution. Marriage for me means two people saying 'I'm sticking with you'. Your t1ts fall off - I'm sticking with you. You end up having to be fed through a straw - I'm sticking with you. They have to start hacking melanomas off your face - I'm sticking with you because I love you for better or worse - we all know how the rap goes. I don't ascribe anything more to it than that. I don't know what the tax breaks are and in 21st Century Britain, with three stepdaughters who I think the world of, one of my own (ditto), my wife's ex-husband, hisa new wife I don't have a clue about 'traditional' family values. I like to think however my values are decent. I agree peoploe feel safe with a traditional view of the family but, as per my last paragraph, the times are changing. I'd like to think noble and worthy ideals like love, integrity, truth, duty will never be compromised (even if they are unfashionable) and certainly not by gay marriage - I'd like to think this would actually enhance and legitimise those ideals. I guess time will tell. |
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I accept your ideas...reasonable
but it is too threatening, it is as simple as that |
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Roger
I see a threat to the social cohesiveness of our society..because it is built around the man woman thing. there is a deeper threat but then it becomes complicated..I will leave that. I admit I am prejudiced, but not because I fear for my own sexuality as some suggest  But because I am older and long for the values we once had, they are familiar to me, and they did not include gay marriage I have tried to voice a coherent argument, so people who are not happy with it do not simply be dismissed as homophobic bigots In the end the young will decide this as you say I guess time will tell |
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As Do wah Diddy posted the rules have changed
This makes it very complicated and confusing to those of us who were brought up under the old rules I am too old to change, so I stick to the old ones You see, there is no guarantee, the new rules are any better than the old, |
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When I was younger, I never inflicted violence on gays, discriminating against gays
or gave them verbal abuse I ignored them, and they ignored me, which seemed reasonable to me, as we lived in different worlds But the world we live in now, they don't seem to want to ignore the rest of us, I am being confronted with them, when in fact I do not want it..not personally, but through our media and laws Gay marriage, bit of an intrusion into our world I think personally |
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neither will it stop here
gay couples will seek children, artificial insemination etc, to make the complete family I think we are taking a big chance here myself we have absolutely no idea where this will lead do we??????? as usual of course  |
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being older I fear change
so there may well be very few of these type of marriages I thought it was worth arguing over though |
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the amount of hateful bigots on this forum is amazing. gay people simply want the same rights as everyone else.............if your not gay it wont effect you, so why do u sling such hatred in their direction.
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the trouble with you brain dead jockey
you cannot distinguish between hateful bigots and debate after your comments on Russia, you seem like someone who lives in a glass house to me |
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I will put you down in favour of gay marriage, ok
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the problem with u ebulgery is u dont understand logic...............gay marriage only effects people who are gay..................so whats your problem? please explain.
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no it does not..we have redefined marriage
I don't understand your logic, that is indeed true |
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silence
ebul 2 brain dead 0  ps you need better arguments |
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if it makes you happy we will go back to 0 0
brain dead good night |
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you have lost the debate my friends. gay marriage is happening on the UK and im all for it.
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I can understand a fear of change and I think to a great extent it's something that affects us all. It's certainly easy to hark back to a time when things seemed simpler and safer and with better music and before I'm accused of being patronising, I can see much of that in myself.
I like to think my inate conservatism (small 'c') is grounded in the sort of values I outlined above and that have stood mankind well over time. Any new development / legislation / modus operandi that society adopts I measure agaist whether it will enhance those values and I guess this is where eG and I part company. I see two people making a committment to each other as being only a good thing. However, my support for gay marriage' isn't a blank cheque and certainly does not extend to the support for militant, humourless drones such as Peter Tatchell and his like, who seem to view the homophobic consequences of opening a fridge door before going to get some milk. People like him are the opposite side of the same coin occipied by homophobic bigots - both need each other and both can go hang as far as I'm concerned. |
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I think that the media etc. pushing us into trying to make us less homophobic is making things worse, cos it just makes a lot of people more rebellious etc.
From my experience from knowing and working with a lot of gays over the years. Most people haven't got a problem with them. If they have, it's got they're an **** (no pun intended!) with a chip on their shoulder, not cos they're gay. If you're fat and disliked then you're a fat bastard. But, if you're a decent guy you'll only jokingly get called fat. I really feel the need to put a banner outside my house saying "I'm straight" just to get back at the people that are trying to force me to like gay people. Must go, I've got 10 birds waiting for me! |
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l mentioned earlier that giving extra rights to minority groups leads to these groups being shunned by the majority of people who are outside of these groups. Especially if you run a certain type of business or employ people.
If you have to guard what you say when they're around for fear of litigation, you simply avoid mixing with them. It's got nothing to do with being homophobic or racist. It's just common sense. |
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IF YOU LIVED IN SAUDEE ARABIA AND YOU WAS GAY THEY WOULD CUT YOUR WILLY OFF
US IN ENGLAND JUST WANT YOU TO HAVE A CIVIL CEROMANY AND YOUR STILL NOT HAPPY |
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I can never figure out A) why gay people want to get married, or B) why straight people care, but if it pisses off the right wing tools on here, and elsewhere, it has to be a good idea.
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I'm so not bothered about it I'll think I'll start a thread telling everyone how not bothered I am.
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I think it's more of a debate than people actually being that bothered about it???
In the scope of things who gives a toss, but with it being all over the news it's hard to ignore. |
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What I don't like about gays is giving the police an excuse to lock up a god botherer preacher!!!
Apart from that as long as the gay activists don't shove it down my throat I am quite happy to have gays around!! Did I just type that!!!??? 'shoving it down etc'!!!! |
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Marriage has been redefined.
The terms husband and wife have been redefined. 'Husband' can now mean a man or woman who is married. 'Widow' and 'widower' have been redefined to be non gender specific. In time the terms man and woman could be redefined along with 'he' and 'she'. Gay men for example will often refer to each other as 'she'. The govt have had to quickly stae that 'king', 'queen' and other titles such as duke, duchess and Lord/Lady remain gender exclusive. What a muddle... The use of the word equality baffles me. A gay marriage can never be equal to straight marriage. They're completely different. A bit like a car and a bus. They're not the same. Men and women differ in countless ways emotionally and physically as well as in the way they think and act in various situations. Those differences are why the union between 2 people of opposite sex is an extraordinary and unique bond. Totally different to a gay marriage. |
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HERE HERE
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mikael d'hag............gay marriage can allow people from diff countries who fall in love to be with eachother................not everyone has the skills to get a work visa for foreign countries etc.
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here here as well Do wah Diddy
What is sex for? For reproduction, not love, so there must be a man and a women Gay sex has a function, or it would not exist, but whatever function it serves it is not as an alternative to reproductive sex since it cannot produce offspring. I thought it was right we kept a line between reproductive sex and gay sex myself although it may be safe to remove the distinction...I don't know? You see our social structure is built around the man woman thing as well, the gay thing is something in the background, we know it is there but it is not there, if you see my meaning, I think that is the best place for it So this subject is much deeper than you think, because we are still not sure what function gay sex serves as yet? plus it has completely confused us old ones ps I feel it needed considerably more general debate than our government and media gave it |
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I am not saying it is brain dead, but I can see it being used for that
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At some point in the debate it will be stated that 'gay sex' IS NOT sexual intercourse.
Sadly, no media outlet have the intelligence, common sense nor the bravery to say this. With no sexual intercourse possible, the Govt has declined to say what 'consummation' is in a gay marriage. No consummation = no marriage. No definition of consummation= no grounds for an annulment. It can be argued that without legal definitions of consumation in a gay context, no gay marriages are actual marriages.... It will be no surprise that the gay lobby groups have picked up on this so watch this space..... |
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ebukgery...........there are 10,000 scams which exist to get people into other countries...........but it is far less likely that a man will marry another man for scam reasons than a heterosexual marriage for an immigration scam..........think about it.
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true brain dead
heterosexual marriage is also used for this it is just when you said it is a good way of people getting into this country I got alarmed Although we now take people on a refugee basis simply because they are gay despite the fact that this frankly ludicrous, this will also be used as a scam you see in some countries, things are so bad, they will do, or claim, just about anything to get here |
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It gets trickier and trickier Injera
I don't know why we did not just give gays civil union, calling it marriage makes no absolutely no difference to them in any practical way???????????????????????? |
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I think what is happening here, is we wish to create a society where gay sex is seen exactly the same way
as straight sex, so there will no longer be any gay discrimination, so problem solved..... I have severe doubts that this will ever work personally certainly not convinced us old guys Considering all the other problems we have in this world at the moment, I really don.t think we should be doing this tbh Turning a blind eye, tolerance is surely enough |
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I look at people that successfully live their lives bearing some kind of disability or physical handicap - generally with great dignity and humility - an inspiration to us all. What's happened?
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you scream the loudest you get the most
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you scream the loudest you get the most
Are we still talking gay marriage or homosexuality in general?  |
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Polygamy is OK here if you already had more than one wife
when you came to the U.K. |