Osborne kick in the teeth to scotland

allpoints, perhaps you haven't noticed but TheChaser isn't the best speller (or grammaticist -is that a word?) around!

A common error though, the "e".

Alias
I'd never really take notice of the spellings or grammar on here but a jock putting an e in whisky is nearly as bad as putting anything in a fine malt.If a man wants to drink proper whisky he drinks whisky not whiskey.

Only on a wind up by the way & I hope you get home rule.

Somebody should of told Georgie Boy we are not a nation to be threatened. There is only one way we will react.

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Alias
I'd never really take notice of the spellings or grammar on here but a jock putting an e in whisky is nearly as bad as putting anything in a fine malt


Couldn't agree more.

As for home rule, we already have a parliament of sorts. The next step is available in September.

themightymac

One of the happiest days of my life was pelting Thatcher with rotten eggs

Me too. Was that on The Mound in Edinburgh many years ago by any chance?

Eggs? AMATEURS.

I got her wi a dod o keech.

Labour’s Michael Kelly on last night’s Newsnight Scotland, explaining that Scottish Labour MPs and MSPs would “to a person” back Ed Balls refusing a currency union, even if it damaged Scotland, because otherwise Labour might lose a UK election:

and MSPs

'Somebody should of told Georgie Boy we are not a nation to be threatened. There is only one way we will react.'

You're not being threatened, you're being told that the conditions for running a currency union aren't viable. Looking at what's actually required, that's probably a fair assessment, and one that has also been supported by advocates for an independent Scotland. 

The question you should be asking is why Salmond after spending a decade calling the pound a millstone around Scottish necks and sterling a currency in a death spin, is now so keen for a currency union.

act of union

pound was an equal currency

And it wasn't in the 10 year run up to this vote? Why the change.

Gotta larf at Sunshine and Sweetie (aka Salmond & Sturgeon) prattling on about "bluster, bluff and bullying" from Westminster re: the currency issue

They're both the biggest "bbb" - to which I'd add blabber, blubber and bull$hit - merchants in town and I'd have thought the "Independants" would want their own currency, no?

What a load of codswallop the yes campaign is. "Braveheart, ya bas!"

its wallet heart

trilby the independence question is nothing to do with Salmond or Sturgeon or the SNP, its about the future of Scotland.

It is about whether you want to be ruled by a right-wing government in London, elected overwhelmingly by southern england, or do you want to have more say in what kind of country Scotland should be?

The reality and the implications  of having your own currency or the Euro is frightening Salmond and with good cause.

how's joining euro frightening?

Independent, trilby.

If you can take off your royal blue tinted specs for a minute, try to answer my earlier question: Why do the tories want Scotland, when they could win every general election without us? Obviously Labour need our Westminster seats, but WHY DO THE TORIES WANT US?

As for Michael Kelly, he should check out http://www.labourforindy.com/

LONG way to go.

Scotland -YES vote holding firm after Osbornes outburst

Not surprised, xmoneyx. Have you considered that it might be a double bluff?

I'll have you know I used to be a Jambo, Alias & my royal blue tinties have nothing to do with my allegiance to the greatest country in the world, aka the UNITED Kingdom.

I love Scotland with all my heart - that's why I live here.

You tell me why the Tories want us?

poker---ALL IN

I'll have you know I used to be a Jambo

NO, you weren't a Hearts man, or you still would be, and you are the unionist, so tell me why the tories want us.

Greatest country in the world? By what measure?

tories only party in Scotland to ever have 50%+ of vote general election

as they moved further right ended up decimated

What part of the country are you in, Alias?  I'm in Perth.  Fancy a blether over a pint sometime?

Edinburgh. Care to give us some answers?

xmoney, you're going back to the fifties. Folk are smarter now.

Don't be too bitter about the Tories, Alias - Labour are worse.

I visit Edinburgh quite often.  It would be my pleasure to buy you a pint and have a good discussion - we might actually like each other.  Don't get me wrong here, I'm in the NO POOFTERS club

Yes, I was a Jambo from approx 1982 thru 1993.  I lived in far off lands ...

... and by the way, I felt the pain of 1987 when Celtic pipped us / you for the league.

I'm not bitter, I'm working class and I hate tories, including T Blair.

Please answer my questions, and TtO's as well.

Oh, and you've NEVER been a Hearts man or you still would be, so don't give me that keech.

Hi Alias, sorry to go off subject but I saw your post on s.k's thread. My heart goes out to you. In my lifetime I've lost my father and that was a blow. Having said that, I have no idea how I would cope with what happened to you/your wife.

Best wishes for the future.

This'll be trilby22 at an away game;

Feb 14, 2014 -- 4:59PM, TiptheOdds wrote:

trilby the independence question is nothing to do with Salmond or Sturgeon or the SNP, its about the future of Scotland.It is about whether you want to be ruled by a right-wing government in London, elected overwhelmingly by southern england, or do you want to have more say in what kind of country Scotland should be?

I'm aware of the independence question, TtO - though many seem not to be.

Personally, I'd vote for George Galloway to be PM of this country but, it ain't gonna happen.

It's the bankers, oil men and the "powers that be" that rule the world these days and separating ourselves from the UK will make us a wee minnow to be swallowed.

Oops

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmGjiokfQ2A

While the UK is a big minnow.

Feb 14, 2014 -- 9:49PM, Alias wrote:

Oopshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmGjiokfQ2A

Sorry to disappoint you Alias but no, I'm not like any of those simpleton muppets!

GREAT Britain is a big enough minnow to deal with any $hit that gets thrown our way.  That's why we have a nuclear deterrent.

Scotsman in an England shirt?

snp-labour worked together this week to get rid of bedroom tax Scottish parliament

Canned Heat?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGGW4IezbC4

Frankie Boyle summed it up earlier this week

You know that if the Alien in Alien could speak it would be telling you to stay on the ship, right? #Independence

Feb 14, 2014 -- 8:23AM, Alias wrote:

allpoints 13 Feb 14 23:03 Joined: 09 Jan 02 | Topic/replies: 1,203 | Blogger: allpoints's blogAliasI'd never really take notice of the spellings or grammar on here but a jock putting an e in whisky is nearly as bad as putting anything in a fine maltCouldn't agree more. As for home rule, we already have a parliament of sorts. The next step is available in September.

I'll third that.

E in whisky is for Irish and nutjobs.

Anyways, getting back to the subject in hand. Personally, as a Scotsman, I think it would be a disaster to leave the UK. Salmond is the biggest egoistical, arrogant, smiling buffoon, (especially when he gets asked a question in 'hollyrude') that has (dis) graced this country.

Too many reasons to post, but there's no way that *unt will ever put a Euro in my pocket. I'd rather move south.

HTH.

poll out tonight

YES vote up to 40.8% since Osborne made statement

NO 44.5%

UNDECIDED 14.7%

First Option: Scotland should have a chat with Scando countries, Norwegian krone, Swedish krona, Danish krone + Scottish Crùn.

Second Euro: Tied to Germany or tied to England, you can argue over the details but its much of the same.

Too many reasons to post, but there's no way that *unt will ever put a Euro in my pocket. I'd rather move south.


Cheerio!

GREAT Britain is a big enough minnow to deal with any $hit that gets thrown our way.  That's why we have a nuclear deterrent.


Explain "GREAT" please.

Nuclear deterrent, based in Scotland. Will never be used and in an independent Scotland our share of the immense cost could be put to very good use.

Never mind the referendum vote, I was in Glasgow last week and when my breakfast came i couldn't find any sausages. Apparently what they call sausages is this kind of square sausage which i would call vegetable roll.

That's Ms stew just off to do the weekly shop. She used to leave about 7.45am to avoid the traffic. Not any more as I like to get a couple of cases of lager on deal to stock up. This dictorial *unt in his wisdom decided that us Scots can't buy alcohol until 10am. No health reason involved whatsoever, if someone wants to have a drink at say 6am in the morning there's nothing the wee phucker can do to prevent it.

Just a small example of the red tape and to follow if it's a yes vote. Thankfully the betting suggests otherwise on here, but that could change.

What a conniving and cynical basturd he is giving 16 and 17 year olds a vote. Very convenient you may think, but it will come back to bite him on the @rse. (NAP) (FIVE STARS)

**to follow

Explain "GREAT" please.

Great was added to differential from the original French Bretagne, the French kings who walked into southern England's original Britain (or Bretagne in french)

Come off it stewarty, Salmond didn't give Scotland it's curious licensing rules, they've always been strange. Still, if access to alcohol is such an issue for you, bear in mind that water is more important to life, and no one in Scotland has a water meter in their home, unlike other parts of the UK. Your hatred for Salmond is hard to understand though. Maybe YOU are the rangers fan in the England top.



paddletoe, you were served sliced sausage, aka lorne sausage. we also have more typical types of sausage.

Yes Alias, apparently the normal type of sausage is called a links sausage. I got this thing which looked like a white pudding but there were currants in it. That was very nice indeed.

You wouldn't get currants in a lorne sausage. I know what you're referring to, but I can't remember what it's called!

Alias, it's not hatred, it's more anger tbh. We have our own parliament. That's good enough for me. Independence would be a step into the unknown and I don't like the too many 'what ifs'

As for his second in command, I have far more respect for her albeit she is in the same camp. I was particularly impressed with her handling of that case where the policewoman was wrongly accused of having sex at a murder scene. Christ, did she fight for that woman, even bringing in a fingerprint expert from the US to prove her innocence.

If the vote does swing to the yes camp I could reluctantly accept her as our leader....just.

were still on same island,England still our neighbours

If the vote does swing to the yes camp I could reluctantly accept her as our leader....just.


That's the whole point! As noted earlier, the referendum is not about Salmond or the SNP, and too many people think it is. In fact, the SNP should be thanked at least for giving us the chance to choose, since neither the English or Scots had that chance in 1707 when there was no universal suffrage.

Don't forget that there is a Holyrood (and it IS pronounced "hollyrude") election next year, and you can vote in the govt you want, independence or not. You might even have the scenario of a YES vote this year and a Scottish Labour administration negotiating terms next year. Think about it! The great thing for me and most Scots however, is that there will be NO tories ruling us, Westminster or Holyrood.

I know where you're coming from Alias, but two questions for you. Would you still want independence if it was a Labour government in Westminster? And secondly, what about my point of too many 'what ifs'? The second question might be harder to answer but can you even begin to get your head around the hundreds of what ifs?

ed milliband praise of thatcher didn't help

Labour Party set up devolution so a majority was near impossible scottish parliament

SNP getting one was a shockwave

remember Kirsty Wark having a meltdown interviewing Alec

remember Kirsty Wark having a meltdown interviewing Alec



Aye, should have been Jackie Bird.

Can't underestimate women nowadays. Ask Alias about Ann Budge..

YES! I would still want independence, because the Labour party has moved so much to the right over the last 20 odd years. Tony Blair, labour leader who attended Fettes College, likely the most expensive, most exclusive private school in Scotland. Labour my arse. At least there are small signs that the Scottish labour party may be moving closer to it's roots. I gave up voting Labour after the '92 election when they couldn't even unseat a Major govt which was mired in sleaze. I knew then that to have a proper left govt, we had to be independent.

What ifs? What if I fall under a bus tomorrow? What if I don't?

You forgot about Ann Budge!!!

I don't know anything about her, except the wee bits on the TV news. As I understand it, she is in effect the Co. which will own HMFC until the fans takeover is complete. Maybe you know more than me.

Maybe you know more than me.


This one thing I do know. The biggest and third biggest clubs in Scotland will be playing in the 'Championship' next season. Hearts will hopefully finish second and qualify for the rancid SPL.

Nonsense. The comeback is on!

Btw, the amount Ann Budge received when she sold her company varies from £30m in one paper, to £70m on STV news. Take your pick.

In that case, (depending on which newspaper you read) 2.5 million is peanuts. If I was a Hearts fan, I would be very concerned that she wants to bring back Craig Levein and former coach Peter Houston. Two poultices imo.

Levein as a manager reminds me of Moyes at Man U. Hopeless at trying to evade the quicksand...

How can there be definite answers to everything? Even if there could be, in my mind there shouldn't be, as an independent country will belong to everyone, not just those that voted yes. Independence is not the end, it is the means to an end and will be whatever we make it collectively.

I can see the point of view that people need more information but I side with providing stats like I mentioned earlier, or in terms of defence, spending by other countries, rather than "you will get Eastenders" "we will use the pound" or "you won't need a passport on a train to London".

Correct john92, just leave things as they are.

It is the sheer dishonesty of those yes voters that is so galling,
they want independence and still want to keep the pound and have the
right to live and work in England

the pound was a shared currency when act of union was formed 1707

no country has the right to hold over another

plenty germans,japanese,americans work in England---do they have a right?

They do not have the automatic right to live and work in England, this should apply
to Scots after independence. The pound will stay under Bank of England control.

I am not saying that the Scots should not vote yes, but they should not cloud the issue
and expect an escape route to England if things go wrong. They must make a mature decision
based on real independence.

It is the sheer dishonesty of those yes voters that is so galling,
they want independence and still want to keep the pound and have the
right to live and work in England


Spot on lfc1971. Having said that, I think that there are 30K plus English folk living in Scotland. Obviously the majority will hopefully be of voting age, Bound to vote no imho.

u forget were in European union,work anywhere

Leave the English living in Scotland alone, they are very sensible and quite happy

There is no guarantee that Scotland will be in the EU

how do u work that out?

And so they should be. Another 70 thousand would guarantee a no vote.

Scotland even if offered membership of the EU(not certain) would have to hold its own
referendum on membership, again outcome uncertain

** To the 14:02 post.

do u think Cameron will give you vote 2017

EU vote

No, would get the inevitable result. Its immaterial but for what its worth Britain
is a complete shambles and Scotland may well be best to cut away.

UKIP are elephant in the room england

Wages in England have been falling in real terms for the last 30 years, people
are just above water(literally) not sure UKIP has the answers

the YES.NO vote Scotland is going to get very dirty that's a certaincy

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I am not saying that the Scots should not vote yes, but they should not cloud the issue
and expect an escape route to England if things go wrong. They must make a mature decision
based on real independence.

Who is clouding what issue? Escape route? Christ, what a pompous attitude. The £ belongs to Scotland as much as anyone.

They do not have the automatic right to live and work in England, this should apply
to Scots after independence. The pound will stay under Bank of England control.

YES they do, as European and, at present, UK citizens. Even if you take away that angle, I'd remind you that citizens of the Irish Republic have been able to live, work and VOTE freely in Britain ever since the Republic was formed. Maybe you need to go away and worry about what you obviously missed for about a couple of generations.

Scotland is in EU, so to have a vote on joining someone would have to say they are not members or remove them from membership. Who would say that? and why would scotland not be members and rump uk still be members

Scotland total    1,332,186 YES    948,039 NO to EU membership in referendum in 1974

Plenty of dishonesty on the No side.

lfc is a yank with limited knowledge of uk / irish history and culture

I thought it was Liverpool football club

that to

Scotland is not in the EU, and when Ireland got indeprndence in 1922 should have
lost their right to live and work in the UK

Quite simply the Irish Republic would not have been able to exist without the mass
immigration to England and the US. The danger is Scotland will be the same, atthe
same time they arrogantly claim they are better off independent

I might be switching  BACK to YES if this is the NO argument

I think you should vote yes, but the Scots can not expect the safety valve of
automatic access to live and work in England

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Scotland is not in the EU, and when Ireland got indeprndence in 1922 should have
lost their right to live and work in the UK
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Quite simply the Irish Republic would not have been able to exist without the mass
immigration to England and the US. The danger is Scotland will be the same, atthe
same time they arrogantly claim they are better off independent
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Scotland is not in the EU? YES it is.

"When Ireland got independence"  -  a very simple summation, and part of it didn't.

"The danger is Scotland will be the same, atthe
same time they arrogantly claim they are better off independent"

On the subject of arrogance lfc1971, you deliver a fair amount yourself, while having a very poor grasp of many subjects you attempt to comment on. If you're in a hole, stop digging.

In the 1970’s the average pay gap between the worker and the boss was one to 30, today it is more than one to 300. The wealth of the top 200 individuals stands at a staggering £318 billion – an eight fold increase since 1989.


torys talk of austerity on the poorest,scotland wants left of centre

That is why i said Britain is in quite a mess, there is no prospect of comoing out of
this recession for many years. Scotland may be better on its own but it will need a
completely different way of thought from the old Tory/Labor way.