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for the terminally ill should be legalised.?
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definitely
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can of worms.
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the trouble is nobody trusts the relatives
we think if somebody goes into Hospital for an in growing toenail the moment the nurse turns her back, the relatives would have a pillow over their face bit I feel it must come especially as we likely to have too many old people(including me  ) |
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fck me you must have some family ...
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I'm all for it in principle, but the sad reality is that it wouldn't be safe
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breadnbutter |
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relatives holding the guns the prob
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exactly capt
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difficult though
but yes, if someone with some money or an expensive property is in a nursing home then the relatives would see their inheritance diminishing the longer this person lives if assisted dying was an option, I suspect they may well pressure the person into taking this option morals seem to fall in the face of hard cash on the other hand, we have people in pain and often degraded, cannot control their own bowels, etc who genuinely want to die, if their is no hope of them getting better to keep them alive is in fact quite cruel a tricky problem? |
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Do you lot really think that there's such a high chance that your families will conspire to murder you that it outweighs the comfort of having a easy, painless opt-out of life, if and when you choose to use it?
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yes
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tbh I don't Patra, but it would occur in some cases, that is the problem
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But surely it would require the consent of the person to die in all but the most exceptional cases (sudden comas etc.). I mean, surely the dying person would have to sign consent or have signed the decision-making powers over to the family. So it would really require quite an advanced plot by the family.
I feel a lot better about my personal situation now. I mean, I don't have the best relationship with my family but I'm almost positive they wouldn't actually conspire to murder me. |
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a scenario patra
a rich relative is terminally ill, they are not expected to live a month, they go into an expensive nursing home but 6 months later they are still alive this is where relatives start to deceive themselves, we need that person's money, we have a property we like, we have to think of the children, we have to think of our own lives..the money is better coming to us, than going to a nursing home They visit the sick relative, and they start, bemoaning their money problems in front of the relative, the relative feels guilty and thinks I had better end this, they need the money.. it is that simple yes a minority of relatives would do this, but you see the problem although I think eventually we will have to allow assisted dying |
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I cant say whether your family want to murder you Patra
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I'd say "Look, you lot. Anyone who tries to murder me is straight out of the will, no second chances. And sneak me in some more whisky."
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tbh I don't Patra, but it would occur in some cases, that is the problem
exactly - it's the same as the death penalty question, it's better that 100 guilty people get off than one innocent person is hanged |
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I think the absolute worst scenario to be in must be to be paralysed from the neck down and to want to die, but to be unable to take your own life... for everyone else, if you want to die - just stop moaning about it and just get on with it!
In the first scenario doctors should be allowed to assist - absolutely they should, after all, you can be damn sure that doctors don't die like the rest of normal folk. As soon as their suffering becomes too much too bear it's a mightily convenient heart attack and the forms go through no questions asked. As to how you do it, hmmmm that's the question isn't it, something quick ideally, I think i'd like to do a parachute jump but without opening the parachute. Has to be pretty much 100% certainty of death and it's about as close to flying as humans can get - messy of course and someone has to come and scrap you up... but then if you could do it in a remote area you could just be left there to naturally decompose and feed the landscape! Much cheaper than a funeral too - now that's a total ripoff. |
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^ thanks for your intelligent contribution to what was a potentially intelligent debate
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I would agree
that is one scenario, none of us would like to be in, and assisted dying should on offer Of course with computers, one could have one placed in front of ones face, and probably operate it even if just by eye movement...that would give us something to do we could bet all day long, read books and study...but not everybody would want to do this I think we would find life incredibly boring...even with a permanent supply of Guinness on tap in the end we would want to end it |
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the desire to physically do something would overwhelming
difficult to argue against assisted dying in this case |
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MisterBadger
re:^ thanks for your intelligent contribution to what was a potentially intelligent debate  bloomin' cheek, that was an intelligent contribution! If you want to kill yourself just stop waffling on about it and just do it, it's only those who are physically unable to do it who have a problem - everyone else is just attention seeking.now, be a good little badger and just come into this nice cage and take a deep breath...  |
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imo There should be a fr that we are filling in every 2 years along with a thorough health check this should start from the age of 18.
Questions as Should you become completely paralysed would you wish to end your life Should you be diagnosed with dementia etc Then it is up to the person before they get ill and nothing to do with the family if a form has not been filled in then nothing can be done. |
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bloomin' cheek, that was an intelligent contribution!
fair enough yyw, it was the other stuff about scraping people up and funeral rip offs I was on about - alcohol-assisted post on my part |
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btw, the badger cull is finnish, in case you hadn't heard
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re: btw, the badger cull is finnish, in case you hadn't heard
they only told YOU that in the hope they could flush you out into the open...  |
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hey dobbo hednesford are going well
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as much has I think it should happen you can almost hear mr no win no fee licking his lips about this becoming legal
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I have typed out two replies to this but deleted both times. I'll send this one though.
My poor Dad got a truly wicked illness in mesothelioma, he really didn't deserve what happened to him and if there was a button to press to spare his agony I would have taken the responsibility and done it. |
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Nobody deserves it Slippy. Why should we watch our loved ones die in pain. Why should any of us suffer horribly when the end is a tortured certainty.Its some fcked up morality when we cant help the ones we love in their hour of need.
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THERE WILL ALSO BE ALOT OF OLD PEOPLE WHO DONT WONT TO DIE,BUT WHO WOULD DIE BECAUSE THEY THINK THEIR A BURDEN ON THEIR FAMILY
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It's a strange world where you can be 100% fit and sent off to die in a war, but if you manage to get yourself 99% killed, the government frown at finishing you off when you get home.
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Rubbish. The bill that will go through parliament in May is to give people with a terminal illness the right to end their lives. If thats not a basic human right wtf is?
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THERE WILL ALSO BE ALOT OF OLD PEOPLE WHO DONT WONT TO DIE,BUT WHO WOULD DIE BECAUSE THEY THINK THEIR A BURDEN ON THEIR FAMILY
nail on the head there methinks, do wah diddy |
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there is also an opposite problem
some families want their old people kept alive at all costs, and disprove of doctors wishing to ease them out of this world I think the 'Liverpool Pathway' was ended, because of this |
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I believe in assisted dying...
we should accept it, and deal with problems with it, as they come up |
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there is another, some people are born with great handicaps in life, but they still want to live
they are frightened someone may decide for them your life is not worth living,so we will assist you dying and again, they may feel they are a burden, they require a lot of support, so must agree |
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Lets start at the right end of the argument. You are dying of pancreatic cancer.You are in agony. Your death is certain.The agony will last a week, two weeks, three weeks, three months?You are vomiting your own feaces.
No doctor can cure you but he can help you by supplying the drug that you can use of your own volition to end your pain. Its a no brainer. Support he assisted dying bill. Who knows? In 10 or 20 years time you may be truly thankful that you did. |
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I hope the bill is passed
but will require a lot of monitoring I feel not all cases are as clear as you have just outlined Dobbo |