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if it went to retrial ,the case would be thrown out.he wasnt given a fair trial.
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Really?.........not making any personal judgement - but could you elaborate?
saw a documantary about it,gave the for and againt case for Bamber...i found the against case very convincing. There was barely a shred of forensic evidence against Bamber and his father had called the police on the night of the murder saying his daughter had gone berserk.
the guilty verdict seemed to rest entirely on a confession Bamber made to his then gf that he wanted to get hold of their his parents money.
His father never called the police; Jeremy Bamber called them to say his father had said Sheila had gone mad with a gun and this was wrongly logged at the police station making it seem the father had made the call.
The girlfriend's evidence was very convincing as she had no reason to lie , and good reasons not to lie .
The girlfriend's evidence was very convincing as she had no reason to lie , and good reasons not to lie .
I have no idea if Bamber is guilty or not. I'd normally be inclined to take Tobes' word for it, but he was defending Clarkson the other night!
so how was the silencer found in a wardrobe days afterwards if his sister did it?
blimey I know University Challenge was crap but a bit harsh sending him to prison for it
It was not his father....he was adopted....I saw documentary....thought he was not guilty after it.
never trust the essex cops,they done him up like a kipper in a sardine can 
According to the "bloke in my local pub" who knows these things, it was a drug running thing.
He got caught up with some London heavies who would import drugs through the Essex Coast.
When the family found out they were "taken care of" and Jeremy had to take the can or be shot.
Although i must admit it sounds like a load of ****** to me.
He got caught up with some London heavies who would import drugs through the Essex Coast.
When the family found out they were "taken care of" and Jeremy had to take the can or be shot.
Although i must admit it sounds like a load of ****** to me.
think the silencer made him guilty.......the silencer was found in a cupboard with his sisters blood over it.......she couldn't kill her self then go and put the silencer back in the cupboard...guilty as hell
she shot herself but was still alive for a time afterwards....there was movement upstairs as recorded by police on the scene
Pandora.......if I am up in court hope youre not on the jury
tollesbury marina was where they brought it in MMM
oops
Um. I've heard that too, but not in relation to Bamber
oops
Um. I've heard that too, but not in relation to Bamber
theres been no clamour from anyone for a retrial........only bamber himself......this is one of the safest convictions.........he will die in prison...NAP
a bit........he said the sister did it.......but who put the silencer with her blood in the cupboard
I thought he was guilty,but the more I read the evidence ,it seems likely he was stitched up by his cousins and the police
he was convicted on the word of an ex girlfriend.no forensic evidence would stand up in a court today
the essex police investigation was a total farce
the essex police investigation was a total farce
are you saying the police planted the silencer.......I wouldn't put it passed them
his cousins who stood to benefit from the inheritance found the silencer
essex police are notoriously useless,the 3 blokes murdered in the essex boys case
no forensic evidence,2 blokes convicted on the evidence of a grass with a criminal record
in both cases the convicted can't be considered for parole because they still maintain their innocence
and they've done plenty of time
no forensic evidence,2 blokes convicted on the evidence of a grass with a criminal record
in both cases the convicted can't be considered for parole because they still maintain their innocence
and they've done plenty of time
The incompetent police investigation almost got him off . They had it down as an open and shut case of Sheila doing it .
Why would the girlfriend go to them and tell them the things he'd been saying if he'd never said any of it ? For all she knew the cops had cast iron evidence that J Bamber was innocent .
Why would the girlfriend go to them and tell them the things he'd been saying if he'd never said any of it ? For all she knew the cops had cast iron evidence that J Bamber was innocent .
his sister was supposedly lying dead in the kitchen when police entered the farmhouse
but later photographed lying dead upstairs in the bedroom
but later photographed lying dead upstairs in the bedroom
the sister was a bit loopy but the girlfriend was a chief witness....I thought he was guilty but you've made think now......if youre right why is there no clamour from newspapers or miscarriage of justice campaigners
Julie Mugford had been approached by various newspapers with offers of money for her story. She instructed a solicitor months before the trial to negotiate a deal with the highest bidder which was the News of The World. She was already in a hotel with (DS Jones and another police officer) paid for by The News of The World as the verdict was given, where she posed for photographs provocatively dressed and smiling for the camera then accepting a cool sum of £25,000 for her story which even by today’s standards is a lot of money, in 1985 this would have been a princely sum. She states that she spent the money on an apartment. If Julie Mugford had signed the contract before giving her evidence she would have been in contempt of court. The fact that she arranged this contract pre-trial did not break the letter of the law. It shows that Mugford had pre-meditated to obtain money, and all but signed a contract for her story upon a guilty verdict this in an unsuitable action by a key prosecution witness.(10
There has been a clamour to some extent ; the guardian or the times gave him an interview setting out his case
high chance this bloke is innocent in my opinion
obv i assumed guilt when he was tried, but with all the stuff thats come out since, well, a retrial is the only fair solution
papers do bring it up,the mail did a little while ago. i think he's had 2 appeals turned down
perhaps the girlfriend wasn't the font of all honesty tobes.i'd hate to sentence somebody to life on the words of evidence of "he told me"
perhaps the girlfriend wasn't the font of all honesty tobes.i'd hate to sentence somebody to life on the words of evidence of "he told me"
She took what was on offer no doubt and did very well for herself , but it's to see how she planned ahead so that she decided to frame him with newspaper deals a year later in mind .
hell hath no fury like a woman scorned,police dropped the burglary charge against her too
she has a website.......Jeremy bamber campaign for justice.....guilty conscience maybe
Maybe ,Bito , but inventing stuff about an innocent man is very risky IMO . If Bamber was innocent and the police had evidence that he couldn't have done it (which ,if he didn't do it, they may well have had for all she knew) then she would have been in a world of trouble.
She may not have been a very nice person but i just can't see why she would invent all that . The only way she could be confident that it would result in a conviction and tabloid deals would be if she was convinced he was guilty . And the reason she would be convinced had to be that he basically told her .
Also , from what i recall , when she went to the police she gave them the whole story of her life with Bamber and crimes they had jointly committed , so it could have ended up with them both being prosecuted for those , while Bamber is not charged with the murders . Just can't see what motive she had to lie, and if she's telling the truth it's hard to see how Bamber is innocent.
She may not have been a very nice person but i just can't see why she would invent all that . The only way she could be confident that it would result in a conviction and tabloid deals would be if she was convinced he was guilty . And the reason she would be convinced had to be that he basically told her .
Also , from what i recall , when she went to the police she gave them the whole story of her life with Bamber and crimes they had jointly committed , so it could have ended up with them both being prosecuted for those , while Bamber is not charged with the murders . Just can't see what motive she had to lie, and if she's telling the truth it's hard to see how Bamber is innocent.
Jan 5, 2014 -- 11:23PM, cardifffc wrote:
she has a website.......Jeremy
ffs quote thing . That website is Jermey Bamber's , nothing to do with Julie Mugford who has never retracted a word
http://everything2.com/title/The+Barn+Restaurant+Murder
they think this one was a fit up too
they think this one was a fit up too
Jan 5, 2014 -- 11:18PM, geos1 wrote:
hell hath no fury like a woman scorned,police dropped the burglary charge against her too
They only became aware of the burglary because she told them about it when she went to them about Bamber . If her priority was not being prosecuted for that then logically she just does not go to the police at all surely .
took a while for her to go to the police,why would you wait if you thought he'd murdered 5 people.
maybe she went to the police soon after she knew he would never marry her and was seeing someone else
maybe she went to the police soon after she knew he would never marry her and was seeing someone else
maybe she went to the police soon after she knew he would never marry her and was seeing someone else
Yep , thats what she did . But still nothing gained for her by making it up . Quite likely for the previous month she was looking forward to sharing the inheritance , maybe she even had prior knowledge of the crimes . But it doesn't mean he is innocent .
Yep , thats what she did . But still nothing gained for her by making it up . Quite likely for the previous month she was looking forward to sharing the inheritance , maybe she even had prior knowledge of the crimes . But it doesn't mean he is innocent .
no tobs it doesn't make him definitely innocent,but the whole case is dodgy as fook
geos....think its very long odds he did it........1/500 in my book
A telephone log not used at his trial appears to support Bamber's claim that his schizophrenic sister Sheila shot her parents and children before killing herself, his supporters claim. The document suggests that the father phoned police to say his daughter had gone "berserk
Did he do it, most probably, was the trial flawed, looks like it.
Would there be a conviction if this case was being tried now, probably not.
Fact is there is very little chance of another appeal being granted so this is going to crop up at regular intervals for years.
Would there be a conviction if this case was being tried now, probably not.
Fact is there is very little chance of another appeal being granted so this is going to crop up at regular intervals for years.
had he said ok im guilty he possibly been out by now,he"s always deny it,doesnt that speak volumns?
terry......if you admit to killing 5 people you aint getting out........only in a wooden box
if he does"nt admit it thats the way he will come out,on the same subject what about the young guy who murdered both his parents and served 15years ?bamber"s lawyers must of told him to admit it to get a much shorter sentance but he hasnt
no one gets out if they did what he did............NAP
stephen kishko, did 12 years ,for murdeing a little girl he went through hell in there,evidence to say he was impotent,was suppressed by police,it only came to light in the retrial ,he was freed,only to die shortly after,the bloke that supposedly ,killed the lady on wimbledon common,did 8 years,they got the wrong man,he was released.bamber did receive a phone call from his father,which was proved ,bamber did phone the police,about it,1/2 later,vital evidence was destoyed by the police,as his defence lawyer stated dead bodies cant move,he should be granted a re trial,the in laws inherited the farm by the way,
Like many cases from that period and later the Jill Dando murder.
Find a suspect and THEN build the case.
Cardifffc. The silencer was found,by the cousin,in a cupboard
days after the same cupboard was searched by the police.
The silencer was handed to the police and used for some time as a paper weight.
Some time later a tiny speck of blood was found on the silencer but there is no evidence that it belonged to the sister.
Recent experiments suggests the sister was shot without the
use of the silencer.
Find a suspect and THEN build the case.
Cardifffc. The silencer was found,by the cousin,in a cupboard
days after the same cupboard was searched by the police.
The silencer was handed to the police and used for some time as a paper weight.
Some time later a tiny speck of blood was found on the silencer but there is no evidence that it belonged to the sister.
Recent experiments suggests the sister was shot without the
use of the silencer.
Like many cases from that period and later the Jill Dando murder.
Find a suspect and THEN build the case.
That happened a lot but can't see that it happened here .They had the suspect as the dead sister and they presented it to the press as case closed and it was only the relatives , the girlfriend and Jeremy Bamber's own behaviour that made them reconsider .
The police telephone log is just a mess from the police .If a policeman actually took a call from Bambers stepdad while the crime was going on , saying Shiela was shooting people , then that would indeed mean that she did it ....... so what are we saying if that happened ; the copper forget about it ????? It would be 100% proof right there if the victim is reporting it , and the case is solved...so why would they then , after about a month , fit up JB ? What actually happened is that JB called them and told them he'd just received ( a fictitous ) phonecall from the old man .The policeman then wrote this up without making it clear who had actually called .
Bamber is so sly .... just looking at the website he has the bit about Julie Mugford says she was charged with burglary at a police station and then came up with all the allegations against him, which seems to give her a motive to anyone reading this for the first time . The fact is she went to the station to make the allegations and that was the first the police knew about the burglary (they had robbed another property owned by the old couple )
As for 'why doesn't he just admit his guilt if did do it , so he could be released' As said , highly unlikely anyone shooting children in the head would ever get out . He would just have gotten a parole hearing after 25 years and he would not have been released .But in any case all along he has been trying to get out on the basis that he didn't do it..... he was expecting to be cleared within a few years so sitting tight for decades was not something he would consider , and now , after all those years campaigning , he would get no credit for owning up anyway .
Find a suspect and THEN build the case.
That happened a lot but can't see that it happened here .They had the suspect as the dead sister and they presented it to the press as case closed and it was only the relatives , the girlfriend and Jeremy Bamber's own behaviour that made them reconsider .
The police telephone log is just a mess from the police .If a policeman actually took a call from Bambers stepdad while the crime was going on , saying Shiela was shooting people , then that would indeed mean that she did it ....... so what are we saying if that happened ; the copper forget about it ????? It would be 100% proof right there if the victim is reporting it , and the case is solved...so why would they then , after about a month , fit up JB ? What actually happened is that JB called them and told them he'd just received ( a fictitous ) phonecall from the old man .The policeman then wrote this up without making it clear who had actually called .
Bamber is so sly .... just looking at the website he has the bit about Julie Mugford says she was charged with burglary at a police station and then came up with all the allegations against him, which seems to give her a motive to anyone reading this for the first time . The fact is she went to the station to make the allegations and that was the first the police knew about the burglary (they had robbed another property owned by the old couple )
As for 'why doesn't he just admit his guilt if did do it , so he could be released' As said , highly unlikely anyone shooting children in the head would ever get out . He would just have gotten a parole hearing after 25 years and he would not have been released .But in any case all along he has been trying to get out on the basis that he didn't do it..... he was expecting to be cleared within a few years so sitting tight for decades was not something he would consider , and now , after all those years campaigning , he would get no credit for owning up anyway .
remember reading an article on the case by the Guardian justice/prison corrs. Eric Allison.
an ex-criminal himself, he believes Bamber is innocent.
an ex-criminal himself, he believes Bamber is innocent.
That happened a lot but can't see that it happened here .They had the suspect as the dead sister and they presented it to the press as case closed and it was only the relatives , the girlfriend and Jeremy Bamber's own behaviour that made them reconsider .
They reconsidered on nothing more than a hunch and before the girlfriend provided any evidence.
The police then ignored any evidence that pointed in a different direction.
The police telephone log is just a mess from the police .If a policeman actually took a call from Bambers stepdad while the crime was going on , saying Shiela was shooting people , then that would indeed mean that she did it ....... so what are we saying if that happened ; the copper forget about it ????? It would be 100% proof right there if the victim is reporting it , and the case is solved...so why would they then , after about a month , fit up JB ? What actually happened is that JB called them and told them he'd just received ( a fictitous ) phonecall from the old man .The policeman then wrote this up without making it clear who had actually called .
There was TWO phonecalls that morning.The first timed at 3.26 was titled DAUGHTER GONE BESERK. I don't know if the copper forgot about it but the log only became known to JB's legal team in the last few years.
There was another phonecall at 3.36 from JB.
That phonecall could only be 100% proof of anything if the police recognised the voice
In my experiance the people that know what actually happened are the once that know the least about the case
b]Bamber is so sly .... just looking at the website he has the bit about Julie Mugford says she was charged with burglary at a police station and then came up with all the allegations against him, which seems to give her a motive to anyone reading this for the first time . The fact is she went to the station to make the allegations and that was the first the police knew about the burglary (they had robbed another property owned by the old couple )[/b]
Sly? Didn't realise you knew him.
Mugford benefited in many ways from testifying. Briefly, not being charged with a number of offences (not just burglary) and £25K from a newspaper if JB was found guilty.
Also her story changed on more than one occasion.
They reconsidered on nothing more than a hunch and before the girlfriend provided any evidence.
The police then ignored any evidence that pointed in a different direction.
The police telephone log is just a mess from the police .If a policeman actually took a call from Bambers stepdad while the crime was going on , saying Shiela was shooting people , then that would indeed mean that she did it ....... so what are we saying if that happened ; the copper forget about it ????? It would be 100% proof right there if the victim is reporting it , and the case is solved...so why would they then , after about a month , fit up JB ? What actually happened is that JB called them and told them he'd just received ( a fictitous ) phonecall from the old man .The policeman then wrote this up without making it clear who had actually called .
There was TWO phonecalls that morning.The first timed at 3.26 was titled DAUGHTER GONE BESERK. I don't know if the copper forgot about it but the log only became known to JB's legal team in the last few years.
There was another phonecall at 3.36 from JB.
That phonecall could only be 100% proof of anything if the police recognised the voice
In my experiance the people that know what actually happened are the once that know the least about the case
b]Bamber is so sly .... just looking at the website he has the bit about Julie Mugford says she was charged with burglary at a police station and then came up with all the allegations against him, which seems to give her a motive to anyone reading this for the first time . The fact is she went to the station to make the allegations and that was the first the police knew about the burglary (they had robbed another property owned by the old couple )[/b]
Sly? Didn't realise you knew him.
Mugford benefited in many ways from testifying. Briefly, not being charged with a number of offences (not just burglary) and £25K from a newspaper if JB was found guilty.
Also her story changed on more than one occasion.
deadbrain59 06 Jan 14 22:19
stephen kishko, did 12 years ,for murdeing a little girl he went through hell in there,evidence to say he was impotent,was suppressed by police,it only came to light in the retrial ,he was freed,only to die shortly after,the bloke that supposedly ,killed the lady on wimbledon common,did 8 years,they got the wrong man,he was released.bamber did receive a phone call from his father,which was proved ,bamber did phone the police,about it,1/2 later,vital evidence was destoyed by the police,as his defence lawyer stated dead bodies cant move,he should be granted a re trial,the in laws inherited the farm by the way,
hard, to, argue with, any. of this,
stephen kishko, did 12 years ,for murdeing a little girl he went through hell in there,evidence to say he was impotent,was suppressed by police,it only came to light in the retrial ,he was freed,only to die shortly after,the bloke that supposedly ,killed the lady on wimbledon common,did 8 years,they got the wrong man,he was released.bamber did receive a phone call from his father,which was proved ,bamber did phone the police,about it,1/2 later,vital evidence was destoyed by the police,as his defence lawyer stated dead bodies cant move,he should be granted a re trial,the in laws inherited the farm by the way,
hard, to, argue with, any. of this,
doesn't anyone know the details of the lie detector test??
Bamber, 45, who has been asking for the test since 1991, was finally given permission by the Home Office. It is believed to be the first time it has been allowed behind bars.
He was wired up to a £10,000 polygraph machine, said to be the most sophisticated available with 95 to 98 per cent accuracy. It measures reactions that can indicate guilt, including heartbeat, blood pressure, sweat and even electromagnetic impulses.
During the 100 minute test Mr Mullins, one of only seven polygraph experts in the UK, asked three key questions: DID you shoot your family on August 7, 1985? DID you shoot five members of your family with an Anshutz rifle? WERE you in the house when they were shot with an Anshutz rifle? Bamber gave a categoric "No" to each one.
Mr Mullins said: "You only have to fail one question and you fail the whole test. But he passed every time.
"We are testing the nervous system, the fight or flight mechanism, and you cannot hide those reactions. But there was no suggestion he was lying in any answers."
He added: "I am absolutely clear that he did not do this. I am convinced he is innocent from his readings on these tests."
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He was wired up to a £10,000 polygraph machine, said to be the most sophisticated available with 95 to 98 per cent accuracy. It measures reactions that can indicate guilt, including heartbeat, blood pressure, sweat and even electromagnetic impulses.
During the 100 minute test Mr Mullins, one of only seven polygraph experts in the UK, asked three key questions: DID you shoot your family on August 7, 1985? DID you shoot five members of your family with an Anshutz rifle? WERE you in the house when they were shot with an Anshutz rifle? Bamber gave a categoric "No" to each one.
Mr Mullins said: "You only have to fail one question and you fail the whole test. But he passed every time.
"We are testing the nervous system, the fight or flight mechanism, and you cannot hide those reactions. But there was no suggestion he was lying in any answers."
He added: "I am absolutely clear that he did not do this. I am convinced he is innocent from his readings on these tests."
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Bamber, now 52, would wear a full face of make-up for trips to local shops
Farm secretary Barbara Wilson says he enjoyed tormenting his parents
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He used to do outrageous things that used to upset Mr Bamber. He was a Jekyll and Hyde character.'
"Bamber, now 52, would wear a full face of make-up for trips to local shops
Farm secretary Barbara Wilson says he enjoyed tormenting his parents"
Mrs Wilson said the the atmosphere at the Bambers' White House Farm in Tolleshunt d'Arcy changed dramatically a few months before the killings.
It was alleged that Bamber had stumbled across his parents' wills and was outraged to discover he was to share their wealth equally with his adopted sister, Sheila.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2505114/Killer-Jeremy-Bamber-wore-lipstick-eye-shadow-public-provoke-father-months-shot-family-dead.html#ixzz2pkxdEdx0
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Farm secretary Barbara Wilson says he enjoyed tormenting his parents
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2505114/Killer-Jeremy-Bamber-wore-lipstick-eye-shadow-public-provoke-father-months-shot-family-dead.html#ixzz2pkxInBoG
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He used to do outrageous things that used to upset Mr Bamber. He was a Jekyll and Hyde character.'
"Bamber, now 52, would wear a full face of make-up for trips to local shops
Farm secretary Barbara Wilson says he enjoyed tormenting his parents"
Mrs Wilson said the the atmosphere at the Bambers' White House Farm in Tolleshunt d'Arcy changed dramatically a few months before the killings.
It was alleged that Bamber had stumbled across his parents' wills and was outraged to discover he was to share their wealth equally with his adopted sister, Sheila.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2505114/Killer-Jeremy-Bamber-wore-lipstick-eye-shadow-public-provoke-father-months-shot-family-dead.html#ixzz2pkxdEdx0
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Seen quite a few documentaries etc about this case and I have always had the feeling he was guilty as a puppy next to a pile of poo.
Next time there is a crime near me I shall go looking for the local transvestite.
I think the reason the mood changed and also why Bamber's girlfriend had spite was that he was bisexual and coming to terms with his feelings. Remember we are going back to the 80s when by many being bisexual was seen as being wrong, I suspect his family would not approve.
I think the reason the mood changed and also why Bamber's girlfriend had spite was that he was bisexual and coming to terms with his feelings. Remember we are going back to the 80s when by many being bisexual was seen as being wrong, I suspect his family would not approve.
Have to say i think he's guilty however at the time I erroneously thought the Liverpool fans caused the Hillsborough disaster.
if the court of chit chat be in session may i bring forward the case of michael stone, imprisoned for the murder of lin and meg russell, for consideration. his character was brilliantly assasinated by the police and press and not many care that he will die in prison, but as to evidence of him committing these heinous crimes there be not any save from an alleged confession to another lag when he was on remand.
the jail cell confession should always set the alarm bells ringing. crops up time and time again in weak circumstantial cases with little evidence against the accused. michael stone is obviously a deeply unpleasant individual but i'd have serious doubts about whether he did it
as for bamber no idea about his guilt or otherwise but he's serving a whole life tarriff when even the jury aren't all that sure he did it (it was 10-2 majority). i think he's the only whole lifer in the country who protests his innocence
as for bamber no idea about his guilt or otherwise but he's serving a whole life tarriff when even the jury aren't all that sure he did it (it was 10-2 majority). i think he's the only whole lifer in the country who protests his innocence
ccda not doing a very good job here ,half remember seeing the programe many moons ago,but do rem the silencer bit
Was it not the case the point about the silencer was a very saliant one insomuchas the sister could not have shot herself with it on rifle due to the extra length ? They built the case from there i think.
Thought a whole life term was now illegal ?
Was it not the case the point about the silencer was a very saliant one insomuchas the sister could not have shot herself with it on rifle due to the extra length ? They built the case from there i think.
Thought a whole life term was now illegal ?
Just seen that i didn't reply to the last criticism from 2 years back
They reconsidered on nothing more than a hunch and before the girlfriend provided any evidence.
The police then ignored any evidence that pointed in a different direction.
Without reading up on it again i believe it was the relatives who were not going to get anything from the inheritance that found the silencer and reported it to the police.
I guess they had a motive to put JB in the frame but also it was Bamber's strange behaviour as well.
Julie Mugford came forward of her own volition to report what JB had said . She was not being investigated for anything , and such offences she had committed the police only found out about when she told them.
So that is why i said Bamber is sly , as he presents Julie's crimes and then says that she gave evidence against him for the murders, giving the impression that the police had her and so she came up with the murder story to get herself some credit with them . But clearly if she had never gone to the cops about the murders the police would never have known anything about robberies etc .
They reconsidered on nothing more than a hunch and before the girlfriend provided any evidence.
The police then ignored any evidence that pointed in a different direction.
Without reading up on it again i believe it was the relatives who were not going to get anything from the inheritance that found the silencer and reported it to the police.
I guess they had a motive to put JB in the frame but also it was Bamber's strange behaviour as well.
Julie Mugford came forward of her own volition to report what JB had said . She was not being investigated for anything , and such offences she had committed the police only found out about when she told them.
So that is why i said Bamber is sly , as he presents Julie's crimes and then says that she gave evidence against him for the murders, giving the impression that the police had her and so she came up with the murder story to get herself some credit with them . But clearly if she had never gone to the cops about the murders the police would never have known anything about robberies etc .
Apr 28, 2016 -- 10:53PM, jollyswagman wrote:
if the court of chit chat be in session may i bring forward the case of michael stone, imprisoned for the murder of lin and meg russell, for consideration. his character was brilliantly assasinated by the police and press and not many care that he will die in prison, but as to evidence of him committing these heinous crimes there be not any save from an alleged confession to another lag when he was on remand.
Yes that conviction is almost laughable . I did start a thread about it way back but the appeals judges took no notice 
somehow he's supposed to have stabbed 3 people multiple times without leaving any trace of himself at the scene. takes some doing that
of course it was a hammer attack and not with a knife but the point still stands
Tobermory...
Julie testified that Jeremy hired a hit man with a cast iron alibi, she never said he killed his family himself. Why did he cheat on her if she knew what he had done? How did she go to bed at night with him knowing what he had done? Why did she have 32 interviews with police before she rustled up the story of the hit man? Julie’s story doesn’t convince me and I wonder how it managed to convince anyone. What I have seen of her she appears monotone, dull but from what we know of her I doubt she was afraid of Jeremy and if she had the opportunity to be free of him why did she take such a long time? Julie was a working class girl. She must have thought all her Christmases had come at one when she met with Jeremy, rich, intelligent, good looking, well educated the envy of every man. He could have had any woman he wanted and she knew that. She must have felt lucky to have been the chosen one.
Julie she was doing an MA at university to be a teacher. She had committed cheque book fraud with her friend by reporting it stolen and going on a spree with her friend. There are statements showing that she would have immunity from prosecution over this matter if she testified against Jeremy and if she didn’t she would have a criminal record and never be the teacher she wanted to be. She is now head teacher at a school in Canada. Jeremy cheated on Julie with her friend, he admits it’s true. Julie also claimed Jeremy was bisexual and this was used in evidence against him. Why on earth would anyone tell their girlfriend they were going to do those killings and not make her his alibi? Why did he cheat on her with her own best mate? Surely it would have been his priority to keep her sweet? Julie also said in other statements that she had hired a solicitor to handle the press offering her money for her story, she raked in a cool 25k on Jeremy's conviction (worth a lot more in 1985 than by today's standards) from the News of the World. Julie Mugford, I am convinced personally that she was a liar who was driven by money to carry out her testimony against Jeremy.
Julie testified that Jeremy hired a hit man with a cast iron alibi, she never said he killed his family himself. Why did he cheat on her if she knew what he had done? How did she go to bed at night with him knowing what he had done? Why did she have 32 interviews with police before she rustled up the story of the hit man? Julie’s story doesn’t convince me and I wonder how it managed to convince anyone. What I have seen of her she appears monotone, dull but from what we know of her I doubt she was afraid of Jeremy and if she had the opportunity to be free of him why did she take such a long time? Julie was a working class girl. She must have thought all her Christmases had come at one when she met with Jeremy, rich, intelligent, good looking, well educated the envy of every man. He could have had any woman he wanted and she knew that. She must have felt lucky to have been the chosen one.
Julie she was doing an MA at university to be a teacher. She had committed cheque book fraud with her friend by reporting it stolen and going on a spree with her friend. There are statements showing that she would have immunity from prosecution over this matter if she testified against Jeremy and if she didn’t she would have a criminal record and never be the teacher she wanted to be. She is now head teacher at a school in Canada. Jeremy cheated on Julie with her friend, he admits it’s true. Julie also claimed Jeremy was bisexual and this was used in evidence against him. Why on earth would anyone tell their girlfriend they were going to do those killings and not make her his alibi? Why did he cheat on her with her own best mate? Surely it would have been his priority to keep her sweet? Julie also said in other statements that she had hired a solicitor to handle the press offering her money for her story, she raked in a cool 25k on Jeremy's conviction (worth a lot more in 1985 than by today's standards) from the News of the World. Julie Mugford, I am convinced personally that she was a liar who was driven by money to carry out her testimony against Jeremy.
i always felt bamber's conviction was iffy but i thouught that something new came to light within the last couple of years that made him seem guilty. not sure if i have that right?
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