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How to restore the romance of the FA Cup
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Get a new sponsor - Mills & Boon
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Genuine question - what is stopping the Winners of the FA Cup getting a Champions League place?
I may be wrong, but surely the vote would be roughly about 994 FOR v 6 AGAINST |
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Award the winner 4 league points if they come from the Premier League.
Championship team who gets furthest 5 points. Or something like that. CL spot is ridiculous. |
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5 mins of searching have thrown up a couple of reasons:
- The Premier League currently own 4th Champions Lge slot, awarding it to 4th Place in the Lge. Why would they give it away to the Football Association? - A few resulting years of (e.g.) Aston Villa, Newcastle, Wigan, Coventry, etc. winning the FA Cup and then getting knocked out the Ch.Lge at one of the earlier stages, would result in UEFA reducing England's slots from 4 to 3. All football authorities in England would want to keep 4 for ever, so obviously play the 4 best teams. |
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1. Why should a team get league points for winning a knockout tournament?
2. If a relegated team wins the cup and is allowed to stay up, what happens to the third team that wins promotion from the next league down? Some really well thought-out ideas on this thread  |
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semis not at Wembley, Champs league spots for first 2 in league and fa cup winners, cut no. live games
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Re- introduce the Cup Winners Cup - Winner gets a place in Champions League following year
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Finalists would be allowed to buy any player outside the transfer windows
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Totally agree about the 30 minute halves. Been saying it for years. I'm sure the TV companies would prefer it too since they could run adverts every time there's a throw-in!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSoBcnFk1Os
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why did everyone wear a hat/cap in those days?
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Not sure if someone has mentioned something like this :
FA CUP winnder gets 6 points Losing Finalist gets 4 points Lost Semi Finalits get 2 points. These points added to whichever league they happen to be playing in. Could mean the difference between going up or down, getting into the playofs, Europe or winning the league. |
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helissio............u cant do something like that............i would give the winners and runners up a champ league placing.......i would expand teh champs league.......top 4 plus two cup finalists.......if top 4 in cup final then give league 5th and 6th.....get rid of europa league and league cup.
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helissio, if a relegated team wins the cup and stays up as a result, what happens to the third team that wins promotion from the next league down?
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just wind the clock back to when the European Cup was for CHAMPIONS and not money grabbers
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And get rid of the ridiculous Super Cup where the Champions League winners play the winners of the Champions League Plate competition.
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miners football clubs.... working man's retreat at the weekend.... Owned by shareholders and billionaires. Stop going for a year. Stop buying TV subscriptions for a year. Return football to the fans. We might not have balletic football but it would belong to the fans.
Dump sponsors. MUD. MUD. splendiforous pitches are for ballet dancers. |
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mle4me 06 Jan 14 18:28
Actually was played at a neutral ground being Filbert Street http://www.friendsreunited.co.uk/soccer-fa-cup-third-round-second-replay-arsenal-v-sheffield-wed... Just looked it up, took 5 games, seems I went to the first replay the 1-1 draw, not sure why I even went as I don't support either team, though back then I often went to games in London to see a match. |
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misterbadger
helissio, if a relegated team wins the cup and stays up as a result, what happens to the third team that wins promotion from the next league down? Team that stays up changes position with the team thats one place above the relagation zone. |
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Champion's League place would be the final nail in it IMO
The players probably wouldn't even bother to go up and collect The Cup itself , it would be worthless , the whole thing just a qualifying competition . All the media would talk about from January on would 'champions league place! , and the moment the last team that needed a place went out in the semis all interest in the thing would drain away instantly. Would the runners up get the place if the winners didn;t need it ? . What a farce that would be with the losers celebrating qualifying while the winners were like so what . Last season Wigan v Millwall would have been a play off for the Champion's League and that would have settled it , with the final afterwards just being a footnote . |
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Make it a proper cup comp, from the start. Any FA registered team can enter. No prelims, no saving the prem teams till the third round. But, say ten thousand teams enter and it is a straightforward draw, so your local team could meet Man U in the first round.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Teams from various levels are exempt until Prelim Rd/1st Qualy/2nd Qualy/4th Qualy/1st Proper/3rd Proper So a non-league team from (say) Southern Lg S&W plays in the Prelim Round, missing out the extra prelim - if they go through they'll have a chance of playing (say) Weymouth in the next round - that might not seem a big deal, but it would be to a club from non-league step 4 If they win that they've a chance of playing a team from Conference South - and probably an even better chance of playing such a team if they win again - and so it goes on; the further your team goes in the competition, the higher the standard of teams in it. In order to earn the right to play a team in the Prem, you'd need to win through several rounds (or be exempt until the 3rd) which means that a tie against, say, Chelsea has to be earned which wouldn't be the case in an all-in from the start draw. Leave that part of the FA Cup alone. I'd agree with moving the semis away from Wembley. |
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both teams start with 14 players BUT each manager has an AK47 with 3 bullets and exemption from prosecution
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both teams start with 14 players BUT they can have up to 5 baboons each, the baboons may handle but CANNOT CARRY the ball
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The biggest game and usually one of the best games of the season is the Championship Play Off Final which we never used to have so just enjoy that.
Though I do think getting rid of the League cup would help FA Cup a lot as it would then be the only chance of lower sides meeting Prem clubs. I mean who is really bothered about this weeks semis? Three really poor sides and Sunderland. |
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Champs lge place for the winner only thing that will help imo. Ino its not ideal having wigan in champs lge but it most likly wudnt happen if top 4 put best sides out
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the set up of the FA cup is all wrong , hence the ridiculous scnario of Man Utd playing Crawley ffs
pray tell, what had Crawley done to earn the right to play at Old Trafford that early on ? the premier legaue teams should not be playing as early as the 3rd round ,creates too many non games Championship clubs should be entered at 4th round stage EPL clubs at round 6 you could even make a case for the UCL clubs to only come in at the last knockings to maybe play the remaining 4 left in the competition Doesn't take a great brain to work it out either tbf  |
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well your suggestion coach just destroys it even more imo. For clubs like Crawley that is the dream they live for and the finances that can secure them for years. I remember when we drew Man Utd it made us £1 million when in the conference, that paid our teams wages for about 3 seasons and enabled us to invest in a new stadium.
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Burton- fair point in theory ,but the practise is for clubs like Crawley it's a 1 in 200 chance draw ,not enough to secure any sort of logical long term financing . Whats more ,it's lopsided and based too much on chance .
If PL clubs came in late on then it would give more gravitas to the competition . Nowadys PL clubs see the competition as a p1ss take - not good for minnows or bigger clubs alike . |
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Seeding is also required , it elimates such consequences as Spurs crashing out of the club at the first hurdle .
That can't be good if the minnows want to have a chance of playing at WHL later on etc |
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as an additional note ,i would like to see some form of regionalisation so we get ties such as
Chelmsford v Colchester Gillingham v Dover Crawley v Brighton Portsmouth v Havant / Water'ville Exeter v Tiverton etc low travel costs and greater interest all round |
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It would be even more of a pisstake with your proposal imo, Coach. They obviously changed the League Cup to allow teams in Europe to enter later - I don't think any of the big boys have taken that competition any more seriously since. Scrapping that might make teams take the FA Cup more seriously since they'd have one less chance of silverware.
Weirdly, the Spanish Cup appears to have gained importance in recent years, having been considered little more than a distraction previously. |
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the pre round 1 games are regionalised coach, to benefit the smaller clubs who cannot afford to travel far. You're just handing the competition on a plate to the bigger clubs.
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i'm basing what i propose on the Champions league .
I can remmber the old European cup ,and it was on its last legs - no thelped because few 'big' teams entered ,it was generally littered with teams few people could pronounce let alone heard of . You got ridiculous scores such as 11-0 and teams from Sweden getting to the final Farcical ,even though it did occasional produce the odd classic such as Liverpool v St Ettiene in 1977 It is a much classier competition these days - the cream of the crop . Lets be serious ,in 2014 who of any age switches on to watch Panathanaikos v Lille when Barcelona v PSG is on the other channel ?  |
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my sentiments are, let the best team win - Sadly the best team tends to be the big ,wealthier club .
the answer to the problem ? maybe restrict money within the game - but that's a fairyland idea . Not many would switch on to a Burnley v Brighton final so financing companies would shy away from any such ideas of levelling the playing field |
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Mickael - i believe the league cup is a cup too many
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Coachbuster 07 Jan 14 18:37
Championship clubs should be entered at 4th round stage EPL clubs at round 6 Coach with all due respect can you explain to me how that works, round 6 is the quarter finals, so where do the 20 Premier league teams fit in Assuming you mean round six would be last 32 clubs inc premier teams that means round one consists of around 1000 teams  |
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My cup runneth over at the prospect.
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