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09 Oct 13
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/secondaryeducation/10362749/Young-worse-at-maths-and-English-than-grandparents-and-behind-almost-every-other-nation.html
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and yet GCSE and A level results have gone up 30 years in a row
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I know.
When I did A-Levels (1983), if you got three or four A grades, you were a candidate for Oxbridge |
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It doesn't surprise me that standards are declining. What does surprise me is that we are so near the bottom of the pile. In fact, we are the only developed nation whose 55-65 year-olds perform better than the 16-24s
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The standards have gone down because we have so many immigrant families with English not being their first language....I postulate.
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They decide how many kids they want to achieve A levels and set the level accordingly.
It stops people asking questions of the education system. Well it does until you do a comparison with other countries like the one above. |
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The British State Education System Phoney Miracle at work again.
Record truancy in schools, record volumes of teachers leaving profession in last 2 decades, record violence in schools, record fatuous legal actions against schools and their staff...... yet record passes at GCSE and A Levels for the last 20 years. And simultaneously, the very same pupils are worse at Maths and English than their disciplined grandparents, who are no doubt "racists" into the bargain. |
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Leopard - isn't that the same in Germany, France, Norway, Holland...?
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The school kids are out of control no wonder they don't learn much.
And the poorer the families they come from the worse they perform in exams. The Leopard has a valid point. |
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It's true, my boys are 3 and 1 and they're both shoite at maths, my mother in law wipes the floor with them in tests. Idiots.
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Hmmm. DNA?
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Yes, DNA also matters, and people are getting dumber.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/people-getting-dumber-human-intelligence-victoria-era_n_3293846.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/4548943/British-teenagers-have-lower-IQs-than-their-counterparts-did-30-years-ago.html Search and you shall find more on the subject. |
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CLYDEBANK29 09 Oct 13 11:59 and yet GCSE and A level results have gone up 30 years in a row
probably because the markers are evidently less intelligent each year  |
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tax evading escort earned £300k last year
How much does a maths teacher earn?  30 years ago they didnt have google to answer all their problems  |
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and in 30 years time no one will know how to fix a problem
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Well no one knows how to fix a boiler or a timing belt now so we haven't got that far to fall.
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They haven't had to learn their multipletimes tables, multiple choice question and answers.. never stretched.. inevitable consequences. Well done son - 95%!
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The basic stupidity and lack of common sense of the current generation of school leavers bemuses me greatly.
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Elvis lands on moon
daft report and pretty obvious ,it was like it in the 1980s too Schools do not teach numeracy and literacy and haven't done so probably since the 1950s Plenty of A graders can't spell or work out basic numbers - it's not required for most employment anyway. I had to teach myself numeracy as i was told to USE a calculator and not try to do complex sums in my head ,i was given black marks as a consequence as my answers were never exact ...ie 122,900 as opposed to 122,858 etc . Anyway, glad THEY got it wrong as it's served me very well in my betting years   |
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Coach, I could settle a yankee in my head aged 12! My nephew who is a bright lad in subjects like history couldn't work out the cubed root of 64
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Slippy ,i guess we all have our strengths and weaknesses - mine was History and a few other subjects
but worse by far was Woodwork where i had to tie my jewellery box together with elastic bands Funny how things like that stay with you, i had a real bad time installing a toilet seat the other night  |
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weakness = History that is *
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how many mathematicians does the world need?
I was good at maths at school (1990s school so probably a retard by 1950s standards) and I can only think of minimal benefits outside of betting. After you've learned basic numeracy it would be much more beneficial to learn a trade or skill focused on employment. Or just generally mess about learning people skills |
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correct zazu - there are few jobs ,numeracy used to come in handy in the old days for getting good deals in the supermarket ,although most are listed as price per kilo these days .
i think most of us who are decent at numercay at the expense of other skills may even have slight autism |
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too much "teaching" at school is to improve kids skills to get a better grade in s a t exams
this does kid little good but boosts school performance doing all that bores the kids at the time they are most ready to learn interesting stuff comprehensive schools then tootle along at a low level so the thickies dont get upset |
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It is worrying when we're only when 22 other countries are better than us at English
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delete when we're only
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Eh?
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The standards have gone down because we have so many immigrant families with English not being their first language....I postulate
Nail on head My wife teaches in an inner city school and they have a class for kids who speak no English It doesn't help either that costs are being cut in schools so the priority is to employ cheaper teachers and not the better teachers. Its not rocket science ! |
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there probably are 22 nick
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How many mathematicians does the world need?
I was good at maths at school (1990s school so probably a retard by 1950s standards) and I can only think of minimal benefits outside of betting. After you've learned basic numeracy it would be much more beneficial to learn a trade or skill focused on employment. Or just generally mess about learning people skills ... How about: engineering, physics, all forms of accounting, banking, share dealing, risk assessment, in fact any assessment, scientific research, in fact any research and ..... darts |
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gambling was a great way to improve your maths
profit / loss / fractions / multiplications (accas) etc it was all there. Could never understand why the kids weren't taught gambling at school |
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From Jan 2012, Gove giving evidence to the Education Committee:
"Q98 Chair: ... if "good" requires pupil performance to exceed the national average, and if all schools must be good, how is this mathematically possible? Michael Gove: By getting better all the time. Q99 Chair: So it is possible, is it? Michael Gove: It is possible to get better all the time. Q100 Chair: Were you better at literacy than numeracy, Secretary of State? Michael Gove: I cannot remember." . http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201012/cmselect/cmeduc/uc1786-i/uc178601.htm |
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During the recent 'attack' - I told two late 20 yr-olds there was an incident in progress on Capitol Hill. NEITHER had a clue where that was! Would that be true of many dya think?
They must watch, hear, read things every day and not assimilate much or any of it. Sadly to me :( |
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if they were dead it doesnt matter
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Grade inflation innit. What was kindergarten sums is now a first class mathematics degree.
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It's almost the other way round kincsem. Kids are expected to do way more at Nursery level than they should. At the current rate they'll be doing degree stuff by the turn of the next century.
There's no point comparing today's kids with their grandparents - it's an irrelevance. The key issue is how they fair against those of similar age in other countries. That's the reality for the future of the country. The main priority for education in this country should be to move away from the utter b0llocks that we're saddled with at the moment of "the sooner kids do something, the better they'll be at it". Here you can draft in the experience of past generations. Grandma and grandad wouldn't have started school at all until the year they were 5. These days in many cases the age is 3. We do too much too young and as a result get two things: 1. Brilliant 7yr olds 2. Disaffected teenagers Do we look at the rest of western Europe who do it properly, beginning formal education when children are sufficiently emotionally, socially and intellectually developed and then teach them - around the 7yrs old mark? Do we fck? We plod down the route of something that doesn't work. Naturally. Why? Because the education system is run by politicians and not professionals. We pay politicians peanuts, when you consider they're running the country, and therefore we get the intellectually stunted ingrates like Gove in positions of power. All the evidence is that there's a man who hasn't had an original thought in his life, other than "I'm enjoying this secret affair with William Hague". He's a man of little natural intelligence and yet he holds the key to our children's future. It's not a pretty sight. |
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Franzi 09 Oct 13 17:39
From Jan 2012, Gove giving evidence to the Education Committee: "Q98 Chair: ... if "good" requires pupil performance to exceed the national average, and if all schools must be good, how is this mathematically possible? Michael Gove: By getting better all the time. Q99 Chair: So it is possible, is it? Michael Gove: It is possible to get better all the time. Q100 Chair: Were you better at literacy than numeracy, Secretary of State? Michael Gove: I cannot remember." The questions here are loaded and don't present the full facts. The how is it mathematically possible is a nice line but deflects from what he is trying to achieve. Gove is intending to lift the expected bar therefore schools will have to improve significantly to be in line. He is intending to bring in a 'high school ready' level of attainment for primary schools. This is significantly higher than the current bar (a year) although you can currently reach the national expectation for 11 year olds whilst being a year behind therefore his improvements will see those children who currently just scrape national expectations having to perform effectively two years higher. Currently a school needs 60% of children to hit level 4 in english and maths (up from 55% at the last election) and this will rise to 65% next year. The new bar will be higher with an expectation of 80% of children reaching it. Gove is looking to substantially increase the level of competency amongst 11 years olds. If he is successful raising the bar he will have got more 'good schools'. This will be achieved by having better leadership in schools and more effective teaching. His aims to improve the level of attainment for 11 year olds can only be a good thing. |
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f off how are you going to prove that you thickoes - all my grandparents are dead ... in fact I am so old..................etc
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