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I can't see any difference between them and any other borrower. If you break your contract there will be penalties. Repossession being one of them.
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Difference is he is cardiology consultant, she a GP and they are at the centre of a worldwide media whirlwind over the fate of their 4 yr old child. To say they were broke is just bollox, they must have had access to 4k by other means than public donations.
If you cant see difference between them and "joe bloggs" behind in his payments due to being on hard times it just buggers belief |
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Are they broke ? No.
1) They set up a fund only days after their daughter was reported as missing, 2) They initially stated that the fund would be used for legal expenditure, 3) They were financially broke in 2007 but they paid their mortgage from the fund, 4) They paid over a million pounds to 2 organisations with no track record for finding people (Metodo 3 and proven fraudster Kevin Halligen), 5) They paid £100,000 to translate the 11,300 page police file, 6) They paid over £37,000 for a website (created by a teenage friend of the family) that would cost under £1000 at normal market rates, 7) They sued and were paid over £550,000 for a phony libel claim against the Express Group Newspapers (the stories they claimed were libelous were and still are being repeated by other papers), 8) The Tapas 7 sued for libel and paid the “Fund” their payout of almost £400,000, 9) They received an undisclosed fee for appearing on Oprah, 10) They are trying to sue Goncalo Amaral for expressing his opinion as the chief investigating officer that Madeleine is dead (of course they are – if everyone knows Madeleine is dead, their fund ceases to have any reason to exist and their money supply will dry up!), 11) Kate has written a work of fiction which is serialized in the Sun newspaper and is generating more money. Take all those into consideration when you realize that nothing up there is “searching for Madeleine.” |
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Naydam are you seriously saying that any bank would enforce penalties and even repossession when a family had just seen their daughter go missing in such circumstances. I always thought you were one of the best posters on chit chat.
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As for Naydams argument why would any family be so pro acative in keeping up their campaign for so long if they were guilty i think another poster answered that with a very good reasoning.
Its very possible only one parent knows the truth if Madeline did die in the apartment. I am not saying they are guilty but with no evidence whatsoever for an abduction they must be suspects being the last people to see the child alive. Its probably too late to answer the questions they refused to answer at the time in terms of any investigation but what good parent would hinder an investigation and be even remotely worried about what others thought if they were innocent. |
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Sorry the last post was about ayres rock.
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Head of bbc news on breakfast defending decision to blanket coverage the McCanns this week over viewer criticism "that it was not news". Saying efits and recent developments made it right to lead with it on bbc news bulletins.
Its just wrong, lies even. the efits are years old. There have been no new developments, only that McCanns have a court case in Portugal, which is never mentioned, |
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The new development was Jane Tanner's "abductor" coming forward to eliminate himself - though I am not clear when he did this.
This leaves even less evidence for abduction - all that's left now is Smithman - identified Martin Smith as Mr McCann with 60-80% certainty. Has Gerry been arrested yet? |
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Since its never mentioned, "he came forward last week in an amazing turn of events" then call me cynical but I think its old. They want to hype the "recent developments" and having concrete example of someone ruling themselves out would do this, saying nothing about when he came forward leaves "impression" that it was recent but that of course is the whole point
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Paddletoe. Tbh my post was in response to all these claims of 'specialist treatment' at government level and their ability to manipulate 'the media', the police force, the Pope and uncle Tom Cobley and all!
Some posters make it sound like these two are the puppeteers who have been running the country from the shadows. I simply wanted to point out that nobody is above 'real-world' problems...even whilst standing in the glare of the accusations, grief, remorse and every other aspect of their life since their daughter's disappearance. I see a young blonde girl has been found in Greece. They are now trying to trace her parents. Let's hope that they are not in prison for her murder...on dodgy police evidence. |
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@brendanuk1 - agree I suspect this is not new - that's if he exists at all.
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paddletoe 19 Oct 13 00:41 Joined: 24 Jul 07 | Topic/replies: 4,240 | Blogger: paddletoe's blog
The more you read about this sad case the more you have to come to the conclusion there is not one bit of evidence to support the abduction theory and infact lots of evidence to say there was never any abduction. Add that to all the unanswered questions about the McCanns. Apart from the fact a child vanished without trace and those in high power - including authority figures - have been under investigation for being apart of paedophile rings - and the fact the Portuguese traipsed all over any potential evidence at the scene of the crime, I wonder why - why do you not mention this? Its just wrong, lies even. the efits are years old. There have been no new developments, only that McCanns have a court case in Portugal, which is never mentioned, Lol, Apart from the fact JoeBloggs six and a half years later had never seen these e-fits before, new e-fits released to the public for the first time is what you call new developments. also, on the abduction front Police say 'Maria' was likely to have been kidnapped in 2009, as Catharina Moh reports Continue reading the main story Related Stories Greece child: 'Shocked and confused' Watch Missing kids plan for 404 pages Trafficked young 'missing in UK' Greek police are trying to discover the identity of a young blonde girl who was found living on a Roma settlement with a family she did not resemble. DNA tests revealed the child, called Maria and aged about four, was not related to the couple she lived with. The little girl is now being looked after by a charity. Her photo has been released to help find her family. Officials believe she may have been a victim of abduction or child trafficking. Police are appealing internationally as the girl looks like she might be from northern or eastern Europe. The charity, Smile of the Child, told the BBC that the girl was frightened and neglected when she arrived in their care but that in overall good health and was now more relaxed. It said it had received many calls since the appeal was launched. A spokesman for the British couple Kate and Gerry McCann, whose daughter Madeleine went missing in Portugal in 2007, said the case gave them "great hope" that she would one day be found alive. Raid Police raided the Roma camp, near Farsala in central Greece, to search for drugs and weapons. Handout photo released by Greek Police on October 18, 2013 shows an unidentified 4-year-old blonde girl whom was found on October 17, 2013 near Farsala in central Greece The little girl was allegedly being used to beg on the streets They noticed the lack of resemblance between the blonde-haired, green-eyed, pale-skinned little girl and her parents, and found further discrepancies when they investigated the family's documents. The couple had registered different numbers of children with different regional family registries. The woman claimed to have given birth to six children within a 10-month period. When questioned about how they came to have Maria, the couple gave "constantly changing claims," Thessalia Province Police Director Vassilis Halatsis said. "The girl might have been abducted from a hospital, or given up by an unmarried mother," the officer said. "So far we do not have a declared disappearance of a child of this age in Greece. Through Interpol, we will request assistance from the other European countries." The 39-year-old man and his 40-year-old wife have been arrested on suspicion of abducting a minor. The president of Smile of the Child, Kostas Yaaopoulos, said the girl was being used to beg on the streets. |
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The only evidence for abduction is the Smith sighting - and that man was identified with 60-80% certainty.
Has Gerry been arrested yet? |
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Not sure what girl in greece has got to do with Madeleine, its more smoke and mirrors. Pushing the abduction over neglect view / perception to mug uk public
new e-fits released to the public for the first time is what you call new developments. efits in mcCanns hands for last 5 years, carefully released when they wanted (i.e. when it suited them, not when it would help search for Maddie) with help of uk media. |
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This Greek story has Clarence Mitchell's stench all over it. It's all about the libel trial.
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Some posters make it sound like these two are the puppeteers who have been running the country from the shadows.
I see parallels with Saville with this, was he a master puppeteer to, or did people think he "was connected" and "popular" and so pushed his oddness as eccentricity and failed to investigate the clear and obvious trail of plain and simple evidence he left behind him |
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This Greek story has Clarence Mitchell's stench all over it. It's all about the libel trial.
With media in abduction theory overdrive, do you think then that they are going to lose the libel case? Must be some reason for this bollox |
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this was the Greek Authorities staging press conferences to try and find who this girls mother is which given she is a little white pale girl with blonde hair and blue eyes living with a roma family in greece - the likeliness of finding her family in the country is slim to none so broadcasting nationally is the best means to finding her real parents, broadcasting this internationally is the best way forward to find her mother.
Saying this has clarence mitchell all over it is ridiculous |
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*not broadcasting nationally is not the appropriate way, international investigation is obvious,
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2465942/Police-appeal-help-identifying-blonde-girl-4-living-gypsy-camp-Greece.html Is this some other poor parents' Maddie?  |
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http://triblive.com/news/adminpage/4886045-74/police-alone-ambridge#axzz2iA7cgbuq Police arrested a Beaver County woman yesterday for leaving her sleeping 5-year-old daughter at home alone while she went to buy crack cocaine. http://www.nj.com/jjournal-news/index.ssf/2013/10/jersey_city_mom_charged_with_l.html A Jersey City woman has been charged with leaving her 1- and 7-year-old daughters home alone yesterday, authorities said. http://www.saps.gov.za/_dynamicModules/internetSite/newsBuild.asp?myURL=3748 In an effort to prevent children to be exposed to circumstances that may cause commission of criminal acts against them or harm them physically or mentally, police in Diepsloot have removed two children aged 1 and 3 (boy and girl) to a place of safety and a 21 year old woman has been taken into custody...The woman was arrested this morning in Diepsloot Ext 1 following a report that she left children alone. Stories in last week, just for balance. Seems these are crack addicts and drunks though not cardiology consultants & GPs. |
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I seriously doubt the MET have found the man
that Jane Tanner allegedly saw. I'm guessing they've known as long as the PJ that Tanners testimony is complete bollox. It's just a ruse to remove this red-herring once and for all. Don't forget it was UK police who had the McCanns implicated as guilty first. |
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Jane Tanner would have watched the crimewatch programme,
and thought, 'What fella carrying a child, there wasn't one!' |
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it does seem strange that he's taken so long to come forward - 6 years for the penny to drop?
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Their scapegoat managed to escape, no doubt much to team McCanns anger
A curious feature of the Madeleine case was the intense, prolonged targeting of Robert Murat, a dual Portuguese-British citizen, as a suspect. A journalist who worked closely with Clarence Mitchell, Lori Campbell, suspected Murat of involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance and reported him to the Police. Three of the McCanns’ close friends, the so-called ‘Tapas 7’, also reported seeing Robert Murat close to the McCanns’ apartment the evening Madeleine went missing, a claim he strongly denied. The McCann camp made a strong, long, concerted attempt, for whatever reason, to smear Murat. Clarence Mitchell himself played a key role in this: He said: “An outcome similar to Holly and Jessica [Soham children murdered by Ian Huntley] is possible. I don't want to, and I can't, talk about Robert Murat, but some journalists who worked with me in Soham, and that were now in Portugal, saw resemblances between that case and Robert Murat. And I won't say more”. He was extremely lucky that Murat did not sue him for libel, why he wasn't sued is a mystery itself, since in 2008 Robert Murat collected a reported £550,000 in libel damages from news media and journalists whom he claimed had smeared and libelled him. |
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NOV 5TH huge day in Portugal libel case
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If you were abducting a child like this - would you go on foot and carry her out over your shoulder through the streets for all to see, or would you drive to the villa and quickly bundle her in and make a getawy as fast as you could.
There seem so many more questions than answers in this case. I really believed they were innocent to start but sadly I just can't make a case for an abduction, I think something terrible happened to her before ever they went to that tapas bar!  |
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'bundle her in a car'
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Who might have to carry a child across a town? Maybe someone who didn't have access to a car. Hmmmmm...
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I see loads of kids carried about Portugal spain in evening when I holiday
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but sadly I just can't make a case for an abduction
apart from the fact there are many suspected paedophiles in portugal and roman type families stealing children motivation is there |
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There is absolutely no evidence that an abduction has taken place though, none, zilch. Not even on the window sill where she was supposedly carried or passed out no vestiges, no DNA apart from that of Kate McCann which would be expected.
On 11 April 2008, Clarence Mitchell made this bold claim: “Kate and Gerry have been utterly honest and utterly open with the police and all of their statements from the moment that Madeleine was taken”. He later said, referring to himself and the McCanns: ‘We have nothing to hide we have answered every question that's been asked’. When addressing a largely student audience during what were called ‘The Coventry Conversations’, Mitchell said: “We are always willing to co-operate with the Portuguese police on all matters, nothing was kept from the police all questions were answered ”. These were astounding claims to make given that when the files were released in September of that same year Dr Kate McCann was asked 48 questions by the Portuguese police when interviewed on 7 September 2007 and refused to answer any of them. The McCanns had refused point blank to take part in a reconstruction of the events of 3 May 2007, the night Madeleine McCann was reported missing. The McCanns’ statements contained changes of story, contradictions with the accounts of others, evasions and obfuscations. |
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If there was even a quarter of the circumstantial evidence against a suspect they would be banged up and awaiting trial by now, of that you can be certain.
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Xmoney - yes but they are their own kids - you would not risk 'abducting' one and carrying across town - that is a completely different thing !
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Many greatly admire Clarence Mitchell, admire him as a master of his craft, and indeed many American writers have already said that the McCanns’ public relations campaign will, for years to come, be a textbook case example of how to control the media and totally manipulate public opinion.
But, we may ask, if this is true, whose interests has Clarence Mitchell been serving? Is he someone who helps us get to the truth? |
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There is absolutely no evidence that an abduction has taken place though, none, zilch. Not even on the window sill where she was supposedly carried or passed out no vestiges, no DNA apart from that of Kate McCann which would be expected.
i'll say this one more time - it might have something to do with the portuguese police trampling all over the eveidence |
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They didn't, the McCanns themselves say they didn't and the Portuguese police acted the same as any UK/USA police force would have done if you bother to look at their procedures when a child is reported missing from an unlocked room/apartment with no windows/doors forced and with no responsible adult there caring for them!
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Ayres Rock the fact that some people would have the motivation to abduct a child is not evidence that an abduction took place. There is absolutely no evidence an abduction took place. No sign of a break in, no finger prints, no dna, no sightings of an abductor. The other childrens never heard anything. Apparently they slept through until 2am. The McCanns refused to have the other children blood tested to see if they were sedated. When one of the parents first discovered Madeline was missing they feared the worst by their own admission yet instead of first thinking about protecting their other two children they left them in the room and rushed for help. A person really fearing there had been an abduction and unaware if the abducter might still be there would have shouted out for help to raise the alarm immediately. But the two other children were left alone in these circumstances.
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This is what the McCanns say about the Portuguese police, this is the report that they keep saying is correct
'We appreciate the huge and hardworking efforts made by the Police Authorities and the Portuguese people to try and find Madeleine, including securing the apartment, roadblocks, house to house searches and an account of all the intelligence and sightings that passed through their offices.' They stand by this, although not many would take what they say at face value, their libel case is purely against the theory that Amoral comes up with in his book. Although so far the libel case is going against them big time so expect more children to be found sparking hope in the next few days after the Crimewatch debacle! |
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i'll say this one more time - it might have something to do with the portuguese police trampling all over the eveidence
What's the source for this allegation? |