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he will always have this stigma tho
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most soap actors play themselves. it's not exactly shakespeare, is it ?
jury only took around 4 hours. could hardly have rushed back any faster. basically saying the case was laughable |
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You don't need a jury to test cases Coach the majority of sensible people on here said there appeared to be no case to answer yet how much do the CPS get to work that one out?
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What does the girl get out of trying to send him down falsely?
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I feel desperately sorry for him, what an absolute nightmare he has been through.
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bhoys, who knows ? maybe the girl wanted to get him back for treating her mother badly
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well I don't think the girl should get away with this, obviously if u punish her it will mean that actual victims will maybe be afraid to speak up I no that's not right but she shouldn't get away with this its just not right
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I think his innocent for what its worth based on two things, 1) no child related offence s were found on his computer, if her were a peadophile he more than likely would have them and 2) nobody else came forward to accuse him unlike in other recent cases, the girls been granted life long anonymity, she stood to lose nothing, i am willing to bet that a tabloid will offer her 100k to tell her story and she will waive her right to anonymity
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i am willing to bet that a tabloid will offer her 100k to tell her story and she will waive her right to anonymity
Then she should pay the legal fee´s not kevin/tax payer |
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WHAT ABOUT POOR RICHARD MADELY ,AFTER HE WAS ACCUSED OF TAKING THAT BOTTLE OF WINE ,PEOPLE STILL HOLD ON TO THEIR PINT POT WHEN HES AROUND
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Guilty of rape looked a tad unlikely when after the medical exam the girl appeared to still be a virgin .How this have ever
got to court is quite unbelievable,you would imagine were he guilty ,this would be far from the end of matters ,the young lady in question must have family friends etc who might lets say look for a bit of revenge ,but then again perhaps kev is a close part of the family this girl is 17 and tbh I would hold the mother as responsible for her actions as her ,Name the Mother IMO ,as far as Im concerned if someone is so malicious to make up this kind of a story I would name the girl as well she is a danger to any man who comes in contact with her ![]() A very sad case indeed ,I would imagine LeVell has aged 10 years in the last 2 weeks ,yet alone the rest of the time these accusations have been going on ... |
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Then she should pay the legal fee´s not kevin/tax payer
Kevin will not pay a penny. |
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Poor show from Kev outside pub 'I'm off for a drink' thought he was an alcoholic and family applauding him
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what about the chef who couldn't stop knicking from Tesco's
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he was desperate for ingredients
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Looks like all the prosecution had was why would the alleged victim lie.
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if that was the best the prosecution could come up with, they shouldn't be practicing law
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Howdi, I agree he could have handled it better, but to be fair to him having that hanging over him for so long must have taken it's toll, and he must have been really "buzzed" from being acquitted.
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I really have no idea how he must have felt but its bound to have been absoloute hell and as 1 person already said must have aged him 10 years
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It was going for a drink which led him to stumble into the girls bedroom and get on to her bed.
If i was him i would stick to the Horlicks. |
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brigust1 10 Sep 13 17:43 Joined: 07 Dec 01 | Topic/replies: 6,790 | Blogger: brigust1's blog
You don't need a jury to test cases Coach the majority of sensible people on here said there appeared to be no case to answer yet how much do the CPS get to work that one out? Clearly the CPS were right though and there was a case to answer in law for it to have been put to the jury. The Defence would have been entitled to make an no case to answer submission once the prosecution closed it's case. They either didn't or it was rejected by the judge. It's not their job to prosecute if they think he did it or if they think he will definetally get convicted it's their job to prosecute when there is sufficient evidence in law for charges to go to the jury and for the jury to fulfil their duty as arbiter of facts and deliver a verdict. |
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I can't accept that Shrewd. I believe there was no case to answer before the case began just as there was during and after. I believe the pressure was on the CPS to prosecute because there is so much media frenzy about youngsters not being heard and they didn't want the possible flack for not putting it to a jury. Instead they sacrificed this girl on the fire of public opinion and that's even worse.
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But there was a case to answer in law so it is the job of the CPS to prosecute. If the judge decided that there wasn't then that's fair enough but he didn't as it went to the jury to be considered.
If they believe there was sufficient evidence in law for it to go to a jury, they prosecuted and it went to the jury what exactly are you blaming them for? |
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There wasn't sufficient "evidence" in 2011 when she first went to the police. Amazingly she then remembered further "evidence" which did result in the charges.
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You don't really understand what sufficient evidence in law is do you?
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No matter how you manipulate the CPS's position there wasn't enough evidence to win this case. If the idea of the exercise is simply to try every case then that would bring this case into it but that isn't the exercise. The exercise is 'can this case be won?' That is the exercise and I can tell you any number of cases never touch the courts simply because they cannot be won.
If someone at the CPS decided this case was winnable they were clearly and unequivocally wrong to nil. Add to that the additional trauma inflicted upon this girl then the case should never have come to court. Suggesting the judge could have halted a 'rape' case during the trial doesn't work. Many rape cases are tried to the jury because, by their nature, they are one word against the other. My point about this one is the age of the girl when it happened, which is unlike almost all rape case, and the certain media attention that would b attracted. They must have known what she was going to say and how credible a witness she would be. The CPS hung her out to dry because they hadn't the guts to face a media hounding for not going to trial. In my opinion. |
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And I wouldn't mind betting that is exactly what they say. 'We had to go to court to avoid being accused of a cover up' by the media.
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Yes Brigust, that is pretty clearly what happened.
From the first day of evidence it all seemed quite fanciful IMO . The detail of smothering her with a teddy bear to stop her crying just seems ridiculous .Reminded me right there of a case of a guy who said he had survived Auschwitz as a little boy had these descriptions of how he was tortured which included similar poignant details that would exaggerate and reinforce the sympathy of anyone reading his tale . Someone felt it didn't ring true and so he was checked out and found he was born in 1946 and was just an attention seeking fraud (this was some time after book deals and appearing on Oprah etc ) 1.01 this was entirely invented . Why she - or the Holocaust guy - would do this is one for the psychiatrists . Seems some people get a buzz out of being the centre of attention as a tragic victim of something horrible. Seems the CPS looked into this 2 years ago and felt her story was implausible but then the Savile uproar began and they went back to look at any Celeb that they'd decided not to prosecute previously. No more to it than that. |
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'Not guilty' does not automatically imply 'innocent'.
It merely implies not enough evidence to convict beyond reasonable doubt. Under the strict letter of the law, most sexual offence cases involving consent are going to struggle to get a conviction. I have no idea who this actor is by the way. I never watch Corrie (or any of the other ones). |
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'Consent' was not a factor at all in this case . I haven't watched it since the mid 80s but he was in it even then so i knew who he was.
We will never know for certain what did or didn't happen . But in % terms i would say well over 90% confident that the whole thing was invented. |
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''The Chief Crown Prosecutor, Nazir Afzal, examined the file in detail looking at all the allegations and evidence.
But after weighing it up he decided there was insufficient evidence to charge le Vell with any of the abuse or rape allegations. Both parties were both told of this decision in late December 2011 and Le Vell was said to be ‘relieved and delighted’ at the decision. However the victim’s mother was said to be furious and after speaking with police officers she made a formal complaint against the CPS in February 2012. The girl also returned to the police in March 2012 told them she had forgotten to mention other rapes she had suffered at the hands of the actor. The Jimmy Savile sex scandal erupted in October 2012 causing a wholesale re-evaluation of sex cases, particularly those offences against children. The CPS say that in the light of the formal complaint they decided to review the case and Alison Levitt QC, the DPP’s Principal Legal Advisor, overruled Mr Afzal’s decision. In fact she concluded there was sufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction and that the earlier decision not to prosecute should be overturned.'' |
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she should be sacked then
no jury in the land would send anyone to jail for 10 years or more on such flimsy evidence if you can even call it that |
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Due to recent legal aid cuts he cannot recover his costs.
The state can now prosecute you without penalty |
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History can I remind you the you are innocent until 'proven' guilty. That is our justice. Therefore he is innocent. Whether you like it or not.
Nazir Afzal was exactly right and although he can sit back and say 'I told you so' I frankly don't care who was wrong or who was right. Bringing this case to court was an injustice and someone should pay for that decision. It wasn't simply an error of judgement it was verging on criminal. I agree with Mafeking, she should be sacked. You cannot play politics and games with peoples lives in this cavalier way. |
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why hav no policeman been arrested operation yewtree
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I agree, half the cast of The Bill look well shifty.
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"If they believe there was sufficient evidence in law for it to go to a jury, they prosecuted and it went to the jury what exactly are you blaming them for? "
From what I have read they didn't have any evidence at all? That is why people are upset with the CPS. Unless "evidence in law" means something difffernt from "evidence". |
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"In fact she concluded there was sufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction and that the earlier decision not to prosecute should be overturned."
Would be interesting to see what evidence she thought she had for a realistic conviction, before using lots of taxpayer money and ruining that bloke's life for 2 years. Doubt she will be held accountable though, or even asked to justify her decision. |