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By:
Princesse D'Anjou
When: 13 Aug 13 17:48
Christine O on the grounds that she was decent enough, then served a ban for doping offences, came back a world beater and nothing is said about it.
By:
TheBetterBettor
When: 13 Aug 13 17:52
Geoff Capes
By:
a bitofinterest
When: 13 Aug 13 18:03
is this w/o princess anne and zara
By:
asparagus
When: 13 Aug 13 18:08
Princesse Anjou, the reason nothing is said about it is because absolutely everyone who knows anything about it knows she is a clean athlete and always has been.
By:
alun2005
When: 13 Aug 13 18:19
No votes for Rhian 'The Lily of Llanelli' Edwards ?
By:
HH Sultan Vinegar
When: 13 Aug 13 18:23
Oh So Sharp
By:
Injera
When: 13 Aug 13 18:24
Kelly's double gold not too shabby..
By:
AyersRock
When: 13 Aug 13 18:38
dont know what else can be asked of Jessica Ennis,

Olympic Gold
World championship gold
European Championship Gold
World Indoor Gold

British Heptathlon record holder,(5th best of all time)
British 100m hurdle record holder
British High jump record holder

and more to come aged 27Grin

one point on the swedish heptathlon girl, she retired a year ago, but its not so much that she is miles better than ennis, her personal bests in the hurdles, 200 and 800m are better than Klufts, equal on the high jump, but inferior pb's to klufts shot put, long jump and javelin,being 5ft 5 doesnt help tho
By:
jed.davison
When: 13 Aug 13 18:40
I'm sorry asparagus, but I don't agree with you. She has served a ban for drugs-related offences, end of story. I make no distinction between British athletes who have felt the wrath of WADA, and foreign ones.

She was extremely fortunate that the powers-that-be were weak enough to rescind her Olympic ban.
By:
bix
When: 13 Aug 13 19:29
If we are not restricting the word "athlete" to athletics it must be
Beryl Burton who dominated women’s cycle racing in the UK, winning more than 90 domestic championships and seven world titles, and setting numerous national records.
She set a women's record for the 12-hour time-trial which exceeded the men's record for two years.
By:
boris-the-animal
When: 13 Aug 13 21:46
English Gardner!!!

She just missed out on a medal in the 100m finals yesterday but she's really fit and great!!!Love
By:
mafeking
When: 13 Aug 13 23:05
gunnell was a 100m hurdler who didn't have the sprint speed for that and tried her hand at the 400. sure she ran the 100 hurdles at the 86 commonwealth games
By:
jed.davison
When: 14 Aug 13 00:19
Your case for Burton is rock-solid bix, and her achievements make one sit up and go "Wow," but I did mean Track and Field when I started the thread, it's hard enough comparing eras in a certain field for me without adding cross-discipline comparisons to the equation.

I'm still stuck on Radcliffe, with Ennis and KSC not far behind. It's funny, but none of them have ever elicited the reaction in me that Kelly Holmes did when she hit the front for her second Olympic gold medal, nor the pleasure when she crossed the line in front. I was on holiday at the time, in Avignon, and my insistence, in less than perfect French, that the TV in the bar be turned over for her race was met with typically Gallic disdain. My uncontrolled mania when she won nearly broke the Entente Cordiale.
By:
Clungehungry
When: 14 Aug 13 01:42
A pleasing list. Very hard to compare, but I think I agree with the OP. There are a lot of female marathon runners (although like the 400m hurdles it's relatively new for them), it's not a sport the Brits have proven that strong in, and she was undoubtedly the best in the world for a sustained period of time.

With cheating Eastern Europeans KSC would have done a lot more, her achievements were remarkable at the time, but it's hard to compare. Jessica Ennis is the best in the world, and damn tastey, and good enough at at least one event to compete in that, but there just aren't that many competitors our there for her to beat.

I agree also about Gunnell, she was a decent hurdler, but only became a world beater after switching to an event with much less competition. Akabusi did something similar.

Kelly Holmes the greatest for one week, for sure.

Haven't really added anything, have I? Liz McColgan worthy of a mention.
By:
jed.davison
When: 14 Aug 13 02:22
You may not have added much sparky, but you touch upon a matter of great importance. Mrs Ennis-Hill is indeed most delectable, and should gain further merit points for that fact alone. Again though, KSC is her equal - those lovely long legs would certainly have made her the greatest athlete if the thrill of having them wrapped around one's neck were to be taken into account.

As such, I reject your inclusion of the relatively homely Miss McColgan, and suggest a small interest in the very promising Katarina Johnson-Thompson. She may yet become the leader of the pack, in all the most important ways.
By:
adamski
When: 14 Aug 13 03:25
Lillian Board
By:
Clungehungry
When: 14 Aug 13 03:29
Katarina Johnson-Thompson? Well fair enough, if I'd known we were including the disableds. I've got that right haven't I?

Liz McColgan's daughter raced today. With enough buckfast she'd probably get it.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 14 Aug 13 03:39
Radcliffe or Ennis for me. 

Board and KSC before my time.
By:
Meyer Lansky
When: 14 Aug 13 08:40
Ann Packer,Lillian Board,Mary Rand,Mary Peters,Jessica Ennis,Kelly Holmes
By:
Ramruma
When: 14 Aug 13 09:57
Board and Packer for unfulfilled potential rather than absolute achievement. Ann Packer -- wins Olympic Gold then retires at 22. Lillian Board died from cancer with the world seemingly at her feet.

The problem with Jessica Ennis (and Mary Peters and Daley Thompson, come to that) is that their disciplines are about being very good at lots of events rather than excelling at one.

Kelly Holmes crossing the line was inspirational but she was injured for most of her career. She was great when it mattered.

Radcliffe is the anti-Holmes: best in the world for years except when it really mattered in the Olympics.

This is too hard. And it is sobering that I can think of no British women in athletics before the mid-60s.
By:
Degs
When: 14 Aug 13 10:32
Pre mid-60's there wasn't an awful lot of womens athletics at all I think - certainly at the Olympics. Some folk have mentioned about the 400H being a "new event", but even the flat 400 didn't come into the Olympics until 1964, the 800 in 1960, the 1500 in 1972 (guess who's been on wikipedia). Other events like 5K and 10K were much later.
By:
Ramruma
When: 14 Aug 13 10:41
True, @Degs. People talked about the flood of Chinese women's world records a decade or so back and while they were doubtless drug-enhanced, the truth is you'd expect a lot of success just by throwing millions of bodies at events that previously had very few participants.

Though Fanny Blankers-Koen won four Golds in 1948 and she must have been running against someone.
By:
Degs
When: 14 Aug 13 10:51
Though Fanny Blankers-Koen won four Golds in 1948 and she must have been running against someone.

Sure - but it was all sprints 100/200/80H and 4x100 relay. Seems like 200m was the longest distance women did at that time.
By:
Degs
When: 14 Aug 13 10:59
and while I'm rambling on, moving up from sprint hurdles to 400H is not an uncommon progression. I think Hemery, Akii-Bua and Moses all did that (and Alan Pascoe). Hemery even went back to sprint hurdles for a while after 1968.
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 14 Aug 13 12:47
slightly unfair criticism of Thompson and Ennis, Ramruma (would n't know enough about Peters' performances).

Ennis is a world class hurdler and may well have won a medal if she'd competed in 100m hurdles at last year's Olympics.

Thompson was a regular in the 4 x 100m relay team and I think Britain's best long jumper for at least part of his career.

KJT looks to have the potential to be a world class long jumper also.

The world class multi-eventers do tend to excel at some of their events.
By:
asparagus
When: 14 Aug 13 13:35
Jed.davison, I'm not sure if you know any of the details of the Ohorougu case but if you do you will know she was without doubt a clean athlete at the time of her ban. Even the governing body emphasised this. She has been very unfairly maligned. She served her time, indeed a much longer ban than should have been the case, but she was undoubtedly clean and I'm sure still is.
By:
iamajambo
When: 14 Aug 13 13:41
jed.,Prior to opening your thread the first 2 names which came into my head were Paula R. and Lillian B.Thinking about it the only others whom I would consider would be little Jess and Kelly.Whilst leaning towards Jess it has to be Paula for me.Watching her close up at cross-country she is awesome.

Are you involved with Athletics,or just a fan,if I may ask?
By:
jed.davison
When: 14 Aug 13 14:19
Although I have played several sports iamajambo, a couple to a very high standard, I am no athlete. My father was an English schools Champion sprinter and long-jumper in the 1950s, and through him I became obsessed with track and field from a very young age - my first hero, believe it or not, was the great Tanzanian Filbert Bayi. Obviously I was then glued to the developing careers of Coe and Ovett.

I must confess to a long-term and possibly terminal disillusionment with the sport because of the pernicious influence of drugs, which is why I have been so stern in my condemnation of Christine Ohoruogu on this thread. She should not have been allowed to compete for Great Britain at an Olympics in my opinion - I don't care how absent-minded you are, in fact you can be the ditziest woman in the world, but if you are an aspiring Olympian, then you know the rules. Perhaps she could have been forgiven one missed test, but three?

My own view, given that this is a thread about female athletes, is that all the Women's world records in track and field should be expunged. It is widely accepted both within the sport and by passionate and informed observers that of the current records in either sphere, only Tirunesh Dibaba's 5000m record is beyond suspicion, along with the technical events like Pole Vault etc....

I also believe strongly that any drug offence should mean a lifetime ban. It baffles me that the sport can allow Justin Gatlin - to name but one example - to continue to stain its name.
By:
AyersRock
When: 14 Aug 13 16:06
paula racliffe cannot be considered, she was really unlucky with injury but without a olympic gold and just 1 world championship gold is that enough? not to mention jessica ennis is a multi talented athlete, radcliff skill set it limited to one motion, running
By:
Sica Dan
When: 14 Aug 13 16:46
I'm a Kathy Cook fan but surely Dorothy Hyman deserves a mention!
3 Olympic medals and a hatful of Euro/Commonwealth medals.
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 14 Aug 13 17:23
Kathy Cook by a distance imo. 

Still the GB record holder at 200m
Holds the fastest wind adjusted time for a GB girl over 100m
Just lost the GB record over 400m

She was robbed of a handful of global medals by systematic cheating by drugged up Eastern Europeans and particulary Eastern Europeans.

Bearing in mind she specialised over 200m, she would have gone even faster over 400m had it not been for the event being dominated by the disgraced Marita Koch and Jarmila Kratochblokeava, whom she had no chance of beating.
By:
Ramruma
When: 14 Aug 13 17:25
@AyersRock -- it is true Paula Radcliffe has disappointed at the Olympics but she is still the world record holder, and has run four of the five fastest ever times (it says on wikipedia). She is certainly a contender.
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 14 Aug 13 17:36
ANITA LONSBOROUGH SWIMMER AND MARY PETERS
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 14 Aug 13 17:36
Kathy Cook was the GB equivalent of Usain Bolt.  Just competed when cheating was at its absolute peak and most blatant.
By:
Zazu
When: 14 Aug 13 17:59
Gunnell or Ennis Cry

Paula Radcliffe without doubt.

She was competing when British athletics was in the doldrums and her marathon record is in a completely different class to any other woman in history.

If the 2004 Olympics were in a more suitable climate she would have waltzed to an Olympic gold
By:
AyersRock
When: 14 Aug 13 18:20
she holds the top 3 marathon times, 2 in her home city, nice to have your home crowd cheering you onWink

i agree she was one of the very best runners, and it it werent for injury would no doubt have won Olympic gold, but she didnt, so not sure how she can be called teh greatest female british athlete
By:
jed.davison
When: 14 Aug 13 18:43
Her best time is 2m 55s faster than any other woman has ever run. This is absolutely extraordinary - she finishes more than half a mile in front of the next best athlete ever at the distance.

Regardless of her myriad track achievements and records, this marathon time alone makes her the greatest, imo of course.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 14 Aug 13 18:58
Jess ennis was not just average at seven events.  She has the GB record at high jump(remarkable given her height) and 100m hurdles.  This is remarkable given there must be people who are devoting their life to these events and she can, in theory, only dedicte one seventh of her training to rhese events.  Her time in the hurdles last year would have won her gold in 2008.
By:
The Dragon
When: 14 Aug 13 19:14
zola bud was a good unWink
By:
FatherMaguire
When: 14 Aug 13 21:43
Radcliffe for me - unbelievably bad luck when it came to Olympic games, but she was recognised world wide as the best distance runner of her generation. Sydney came too soon, and when she was top of the tree events conspired against her - everyone wants to peak at the Olympics but sometimes it just doesn't happen
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