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Sir Furious - Best Ever Manager?
Sir Furious - Best Ever Manager?
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Emden
His success at Aberdeen was astonishing. Celtic and Rangers wern't in a good state at that time, so his domestic success can perhaps be downplayed. As mentioned Dundee Utd had a good side around then, probably robbed of a European Cup final. Later they beat Barcelona home and away to reach the 1987 UEFA Cup final. Hearts also lost the league on the final day in 1986 I think, so it was competitive then and a far better overall standard than now. However, Aberdeen beat Bayern Munich and Real Madrid to win the CWC and then beat European Cup winners Hamburg in the Super Cup. Aberdeen also got to the semi final the following year although it was a bit weaker that year. Depending on what team was in what tournament, each one of the 3 European competitions could have been very strong. I would say again that if he has underachieved in Europe it was only slightly. Alot needs to go right to win the Champions League. Watching some old finals lately showed me how much gets lost in time. Leverkusen (who beat Man Utd in the 02 semi final) battered Madrid late on in the final and should have won. The game gets remembered for the Zidane wonder goal. Juve outclassed Dortmund in 1997 yet somehow lost 3-1, 2 set pieces and a counter attack. Barca should have gone out v Chelsea in 09, then got payback last year. It's endless. I would also take slight issue with him being able to bring in the best players in the world. He was usually able to bring in the best players in England - Ince and Pallister, Keane, Cole, Rooney, Yorke, Ferdinand and later on Berbatov but in my mind the only ready made out and out world class player that he brought in, until Van Persie, was ironically his biggest disaster..... Veron! Stam and Van Nistelrooy maybe on the verge of world class when he signed them from Holland. In later years his ability to bring in that sort of player has in general diminished with the influx of billionaires. Van Perise listened to the 'little boy inside' (apparantly) rather than go to City for more money. How many would do that now? I always think you can only ever be the best of your time and we look at it from a British point of view. Definitely agree with his attitude at times. I remember laughing when he spoke once bemoaning all the anger in the game! |
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Some good points, John. Sir Furious is a great manager but...once again, best ever?? Forget the "dynasty" thing : I'm talking about teams that set the sporting world alight, so that they are acclaimed as the "best ever". Good point made by Eternaloptimist : "Fergie massacred the spirit of the game."
We're always told that Man Utd. are the top team in world football (or second to Real Madrid) yet with all those resources Fergie never produced a "supreme team". Just going to name these feckers  : Real Madrid with Di Stefano and Puskas...Ajax with Cruyff...Bayern with Beckanbauer, etc...AC Milan with Gullit and Van Basten...Barcelona in the last few years...they wiped the floor with Man Utd. at Wembley. Fergie was clueless about how to stop the "carousel" as he called Barca's famous passing style. |
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By the way : If you read a book by Fergie, you get all sorts of pragmatic and psychological insights.
If you read a book of interviews with Johann Cruyff, you get odd, abstract stuff about space on the pitch and how far apart the players should be from each other, and timing. Cruyff has to be the most influential person in world football since 1970, given the influence he had on Holland, Barcelona and Spain and all the wannabes. |
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You are right, there is no way any of his sides will go down in history.
Everybody and everything is the best thing ever now and it annoys me aswell when people proclaim it when it's impossible to prove. In a wider European sense I'm not sure Man Utd have ever as big a draw for real top players as they have been for top British/British based players. Italy was where the real money was, then when England became the richest league in the world there were clubs with billionaires who could blow Man Utd out of the water. I'd say Veron was the only time they went out and bought that world class player, and he didn't really fit it. He had really good sides over an incredible amount of time rather than a truly exceptional team for a couple of years. One I'd throw in would be Milan in 1994. Barcelona destroyed Man Utd that season although Man Utd were weakened by the 3 foreigner rule. Milan were missing Baresi and Costacurta through suspension yet battered Barca 4-0. Massaro was at his peak and Savecivic made Koeman and Nadal look like the Caldwell brothers. |
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I agree about Cruyff.
I read in an interview he said when he was at Ajax he would try and hit the post when they were a few goals up. It was more of a challenge and he just loved the sound. |
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I'm just gonna post the name of the ACTUAL best manager ever...in ONE MINUTE...in an attempt to avoid confusion...
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Guy Roux
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ITdR2_0b8M
John Lambie. |
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Guy Roux a great shout IMO...they were saying on Radio Scotland today that if you phoned Pittodrie for tickets for European games when Fergie was manager, you were liable to get Fergie on the phone, dealing with the enquiry...and Jock Stein helped clear the pitch of snow, with a shovel, during the winter...dem days iz gone...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aFC8Qw7lVU
John "Bomber" Brown...manager of Dundee... ...."Youz buy the feckin' PIES! The PIES!! We need tae scrutinize the PIES!" |
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Just watched the lambie one again, vel, a real football man.
Funnily, i suppose, he was not averse to singing the sash and the billy boys on a saturday night in Whitburn, but would have signed the pope if he thought he could do a job for him. |
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I've seen that many times before vel, tell you what though, Brown would be the ideal man for the new rangers just now.
He said, maybe not in that speech, that the 3rd div clubs spent 150k a year, he would win it with 250k, up to the 1st div where they spend 500k, he would spend a million, now that makes sense. The current incantation are on the 2nd highest wage bill in Scotland, why? |
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I haven't seen it yet, Liam - going to watch it later... I'm listening to the FA Cup final on radio as it's not on STV...Midsomer Murders instead...
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Apparently, Ally McCoist earns more than the Dortmund manager...can this be true...?
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Rangers can't change their ways - "We arra People," etc.
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Paul Jewell is the best ever manager. To take Bradford City and Wigan to the Premiership was miraculous. Fergie a clear 2nd best.
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forgot that was on vel, one of lifes great mysteries, how does wee shaun seem to play all the time now when he was on almost permanent sick leave at Celtic? training regimes?
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I'm listening to the FA Cup final on radio as it's not on STV...Midsomer Murders instead
Sell one of your paintings and get a subscription to ESPN ! |
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supplied the corner,
 well done to wigan. |
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I REFUSE tae pay fur the telly, Mightymac! Just heard wee Shaun on the radio, there, Liam...
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man utd were in a poor state under busby, ofarrell etc, but tommy doc resseructed the team, Atkinson and sexton let it slip, but yes ferguson made it even worse to begin with then got a lot of luck. some of his team selections prior to his 99 fluke was pathetic in Europe, no cloughie was by far the greatest
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Like i say....
The main reason people dislike him is jealousy. |