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Overtaken the Lib Dems as the third party in British politics. OK we know they couldn't win a General Election and this was just a protest vote, but good kick up the backside for Cameron and Miliband.
I think it's 2 things here, first of all the voters done what the Italians done recently - Vote for the Clown ! And secondly I think UKIP tapped into a big issue which a lot of people are really concerned about - immigtaion.
I think it's 2 things here, first of all the voters done what the Italians done recently - Vote for the Clown ! And secondly I think UKIP tapped into a big issue which a lot of people are really concerned about - immigtaion.
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The mirror did a hatchet job on them in the week,considering it is a labour paper i thought they would like all this UKIP stuff as they will take more votes from the tories than from Labour. I do wonder if they will get official support from either the sun or the mail. Last time i looked they were considered unlikely to get a single seat at the general election which surprised me. Lib dems have, not fairlly imo, lost loads of support in the last three years. If we had proportional representation then UKIP could be a real power.
Immigration and The EU are the biggest issues facing this country.If they think giving people a 2p in the pound pay rise and petrol going down 1p a litre are vote winners,
then they are totally out of touch...
Ban immigration for the immediate future, all people seeking asylum are sent back to there country to await their appeal..and pulling out of the EU, So we can send back the hate preachers without any parasite human rights lawyer earning millions out of it..are vote winners for me...(And many others by all accounts)
then they are totally out of touch...
Ban immigration for the immediate future, all people seeking asylum are sent back to there country to await their appeal..and pulling out of the EU, So we can send back the hate preachers without any parasite human rights lawyer earning millions out of it..are vote winners for me...(And many others by all accounts)
Immigants: Even when it was the bears I knew it was them.
Immigration - meh.
It's the ceding of democracy to yet another tier of buerocracy in Brussels that boils my p1ss. We have incredible drive and talent and get up and go for the most part in this country and have done more than perfectly well working within an economic union (but no more than that) with Europe for years.
Time for a bit of belief in our own democratic process and abilities
It's the ceding of democracy to yet another tier of buerocracy in Brussels that boils my p1ss. We have incredible drive and talent and get up and go for the most part in this country and have done more than perfectly well working within an economic union (but no more than that) with Europe for years.
Time for a bit of belief in our own democratic process and abilities
One thingthe. EU has going for it is that it is preferable to wold war. Dont know much else tbh, though i suspect the media dont give us the full story.
Nigel Farage seems like a total coont though, i dont like ortrust him and wouldtdream of voting for him.
Nigel Farage seems like a total coont though, i dont like ortrust him and wouldtdream of voting for him.
roger
No disrespect but that image you have portrayed was the one falsely sold to the British people in 1975 on the backs of liars like Heath. It was always known by the eurofanatics where the bus was going. They just didn't let the passengers know. For example the European Communities Act in 1972 expressly gave power to European Law to be more improtant than out own and where there was a conflict between the two then European Law would always win.
No disrespect but that image you have portrayed was the one falsely sold to the British people in 1975 on the backs of liars like Heath. It was always known by the eurofanatics where the bus was going. They just didn't let the passengers know. For example the European Communities Act in 1972 expressly gave power to European Law to be more improtant than out own and where there was a conflict between the two then European Law would always win.
rob
That's your prerogative to think that the EU has presented another world war but in my view this totally overlooks the fact of MAD which nuclear weapons guarantee. Once they were invented that was the game changer.
That's your prerogative to think that the EU has presented another world war but in my view this totally overlooks the fact of MAD which nuclear weapons guarantee. Once they were invented that was the game changer.
I'm a Libertarian (think Ron Paul and Austrian Economics) and have no time for any of the political parties on offer in Scotland, where UKIP have no presence. If I was made to vote, it would probably be for the SNP because I think Independence brings Scotland one step closer to a smaller, more-federal style government.
That said, if I lived in England I would probably cast my ballot for UKIP (who aren't really a Libertarian party) but would represent my views more closely than any other party ever will in this Socialist land.
That said, if I lived in England I would probably cast my ballot for UKIP (who aren't really a Libertarian party) but would represent my views more closely than any other party ever will in this Socialist land.
what made me laugh about the eu is that they fined britain because had exceeded acceptable levels of pollution, britain has an 8 billion net spend on europe and give 11.3 billion in foreign aid, and have to put up with being fined 
Hound-Dog-2 03 May 13 10:30
first of all the voters done what the Italians done recently - Vote for the Clown !
Are you seriously saying Farage is a clown compared to Milliband & even Cameron
first of all the voters done what the Italians done recently - Vote for the Clown !
Are you seriously saying Farage is a clown compared to Milliband & even Cameron
Crisp77
BNP are a racist left wing party
UKIP are a anti-EU right wing party
HTH.
BNP are a racist left wing party
UKIP are a anti-EU right wing party
HTH.
Eeternaloptimist Joined: 28 Jun 10
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roger
No disrespect but that image you have portrayed was the one falsely sold to the British people in 1975 on the backs of liars like Heath. It was always known by the eurofanatics where the bus was going. They just didn't let the passengers know. For example the European Communities Act in 1972 expressly gave power to European Law to be more improtant than out own and where there was a conflict between the two then European Law would always win.
Not sure exactly what point you're making here EO?
I like the idea of trade with Europe, in fact I like the idea of trade with the whole world - it encourages lithe, streamlined entreprenurial ability, without unecessary paperwork.
It's any kind of political integration and the loss of any power from Britain and its voters that I'm against.
Re immigration, if capital can cross boundaries why not labour? Okay, it's not that simplistic - capital has no national allegencies and doesn't have to integrate socially, but it's a decent starting point.
Replies: 17535 03 May 13 11:29
roger
No disrespect but that image you have portrayed was the one falsely sold to the British people in 1975 on the backs of liars like Heath. It was always known by the eurofanatics where the bus was going. They just didn't let the passengers know. For example the European Communities Act in 1972 expressly gave power to European Law to be more improtant than out own and where there was a conflict between the two then European Law would always win.
Not sure exactly what point you're making here EO?
I like the idea of trade with Europe, in fact I like the idea of trade with the whole world - it encourages lithe, streamlined entreprenurial ability, without unecessary paperwork.
It's any kind of political integration and the loss of any power from Britain and its voters that I'm against.
Re immigration, if capital can cross boundaries why not labour? Okay, it's not that simplistic - capital has no national allegencies and doesn't have to integrate socially, but it's a decent starting point.
May 3, 2013 -- 12:36PM, Java wrote:
Crisp77BNP are a racist left wing partyUKIP are a anti-EU right wing partyHTH.
Yes. It's amazing what difference a posh accent makes.
Farage is old school banking stock. For that reason I dont trust him.
It seems Crisp doesn't know the difference between left wing and right wing. 
Does anyone? Some people say that BnP are extreme left wing.
May 3, 2013 -- 1:11PM, Java wrote:
It seems Crisp doesn't know the difference between left wing and right wing.
http://idontgetpolitics.co.uk/right-left-wing
Tell this bloke Java. He has them quite close.
This drawing is nice:
http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/left-vs-right-world/
http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/left-vs-right-world/
BNP are left of centre but that doesnt suit the media who love to rant about the extreme right. Just look at their policies and its quite clear.
"Does anyone? Some people say that BnP are extreme left wing. "
Of course they are left wing.
That's why people who say UKIP are "posh BNP" are talking garbage.
Of course they are left wing.
That's why people who say UKIP are "posh BNP" are talking garbage.
I think that we should just agree that UKIP are the posh flavour of BNP and leave it at that.
Wtf is left and right wing? I agree with certain policies that are traditionally associated with both of these factions. But I dont think that qualifies me as a centralist either. Has always seemed to me that many people align themselves to one or the other at some point and then unthinkingly agree with the party line forever onwards. Which seems a waste, because if people werent like that the papers and the politicians wouldnt get away with much that they do get away with.
bbc saying UKIP could have higher share of vote than labour 
Brits have had enough, and to Cameron and lame duck Clegg and Miliband - this is what happens when you continually don't listen and ignore the people.
UKIP leader ‘Nigel Farage’ is a fictional parody of a raving idiot, it has emerged.
The hair is a wig
Farage’s real identity is that of alternative comedian Wayne Hayes, who began performing the character of right-wing buffoon Nigel Twatley Farrago O’Drivel in 1986.
After years of struggle on the stand-up circuit, Hayes as the now-refined ‘Nigel Farage’ was booked for a function at the Dorchester Conservative Club. But instead of laughing at his foghorn-voiced bletherings, the audience responded with thunderous applause.
Hayes said: “My agent recommended I join UKIP as a stunt. So I went along to their conference and did my turn.
“I thought I’d really ratchet up the nonsense – ‘We, the roast beef of England will not be dictated to by Brussels sprouts.’ They lapped it up.”
After a lucrative run of gigs, Hayes decided it was time to kill off Nigel Farage and staged a plane crash. However, such was the outpouring of concern that he felt obliged to have the character recover with minor injuries.
Hayes said: “I feel a responsibility to my thousands of fans. Plus, I don’t know what they might do if they found out ‘Nigel Farage’ was a spoof – beat me to death with a garden hoe, or something. They’re all completely insane.
“Now I’m on Question Time nearly every month. It’s more regular than stand up plus they give you wine and sandwiches.
“But as a comedian, it hurts me that no one’s laughing at my material. Seriously, you’re meant to laugh.
The hair is a wig
Farage’s real identity is that of alternative comedian Wayne Hayes, who began performing the character of right-wing buffoon Nigel Twatley Farrago O’Drivel in 1986.
After years of struggle on the stand-up circuit, Hayes as the now-refined ‘Nigel Farage’ was booked for a function at the Dorchester Conservative Club. But instead of laughing at his foghorn-voiced bletherings, the audience responded with thunderous applause.
Hayes said: “My agent recommended I join UKIP as a stunt. So I went along to their conference and did my turn.
“I thought I’d really ratchet up the nonsense – ‘We, the roast beef of England will not be dictated to by Brussels sprouts.’ They lapped it up.”
After a lucrative run of gigs, Hayes decided it was time to kill off Nigel Farage and staged a plane crash. However, such was the outpouring of concern that he felt obliged to have the character recover with minor injuries.
Hayes said: “I feel a responsibility to my thousands of fans. Plus, I don’t know what they might do if they found out ‘Nigel Farage’ was a spoof – beat me to death with a garden hoe, or something. They’re all completely insane.
“Now I’m on Question Time nearly every month. It’s more regular than stand up plus they give you wine and sandwiches.
“But as a comedian, it hurts me that no one’s laughing at my material. Seriously, you’re meant to laugh.
They seem to have about seventy seats out of a totalof 1200. That doesnt seem fair given their vote percentage and the number of seats the others have got.
harmon went on sky news to say labour WON south shields---bolton took smile off face,he said held it with majority halfed 
HOUNDOG2. I agree with you entirely, the genuine Brits have had enough now, the tide is turning, close the door as they say, NO MORE IMIGRANTS. Give the Genuine BRITS a Chance in their own Country, its our country not theirs, think about this you other parties, the BRITS are sick, tired and disillusioned and the country has been on slide for long enough now. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.
See, that's where the right-wing parties get it wrong IMO.
This blanket fear of immigration and immigrants makes them sound weak, not strong. I wish they would adopt an American view along the lines of 'bring me your poor and dispossesed - and if they are prepared to work hard, accept that the language of Britain is English and that we are a secular society, practising religous toleration but underpinned by Judeo-Christian values, then come one, come all.'
I'd rather a hard-working Polish guy than a layabout 'indigenous' slob, playing the benefits system, any day of the week.
...and I'd rather not have the dead-hand of Brussels usurping our democracy that has worked well for hundreds of years.
This blanket fear of immigration and immigrants makes them sound weak, not strong. I wish they would adopt an American view along the lines of 'bring me your poor and dispossesed - and if they are prepared to work hard, accept that the language of Britain is English and that we are a secular society, practising religous toleration but underpinned by Judeo-Christian values, then come one, come all.'
I'd rather a hard-working Polish guy than a layabout 'indigenous' slob, playing the benefits system, any day of the week.
...and I'd rather not have the dead-hand of Brussels usurping our democracy that has worked well for hundreds of years.
roger
The point I was addressing was where you had said Britain had done perfectly well working within an economic union. I agree with your wider views about our abilities but my point was that this image of it ever being just an economic union was always just a mirage meant to con the British people who are by historical nature optimistic traders with everyone. Cunningly each of the respective countries ensnared was sold on the project on an imaginary benefit which played to a deep seated desire or fear. For some like us it was the benefits of trade, for some solidarity, for some a bulwark against communism and for some a call to a desire to avoid another rise of fascism and war. The truth in my view is that the benefits were largely for the political classes of Europe.
The big problem with the bring us your poor school of thought which has a great deal of merit in terms of aspiration is our relatively crowded island which is massively overpopulated in comparison to America when it was throwing its arms out to the world.
The point I was addressing was where you had said Britain had done perfectly well working within an economic union. I agree with your wider views about our abilities but my point was that this image of it ever being just an economic union was always just a mirage meant to con the British people who are by historical nature optimistic traders with everyone. Cunningly each of the respective countries ensnared was sold on the project on an imaginary benefit which played to a deep seated desire or fear. For some like us it was the benefits of trade, for some solidarity, for some a bulwark against communism and for some a call to a desire to avoid another rise of fascism and war. The truth in my view is that the benefits were largely for the political classes of Europe.
The big problem with the bring us your poor school of thought which has a great deal of merit in terms of aspiration is our relatively crowded island which is massively overpopulated in comparison to America when it was throwing its arms out to the world.
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With public confidence in the European project waning, the idea of initiating a ‘civil dialogue’ with the public emerged in the mid-1990s as a way of bolstering the EU’s democratic legitimacy.
Citizens have not been consulted directly, however. Instead they have been ventriloquised through ‘sock puppet’ charities, think tanks and other ‘civil society’ groups which have been hand-picked and financed by the European Commission (EC). These organisations typically lobby for closer European integration, bigger EU budgets and more EU regulation.
The composition of ‘civil society’ at the EU level is largely dictated by which groups the Commission chooses to fund. There has been a bias towards centre-left organisations, with a particular emphasis on those promoting policies that are unpopular with the public, such as increasing foreign aid, restricting lifestyle freedoms and further centralising power within EU institutions.
The EC’s favoured civil society organisations are also marked by a homogeneous worldview and similarity of jargon. The literature and websites of these groups suffocate the reader with vague rhetoric about ‘stakeholders’, ‘sustainability’, ‘social justice’, ‘capacity building’, ‘fundamental rights’, ‘diversity’, ‘equity’ and ‘active citizenship’.
Many of the groups which receive the Commission’s patronage would struggle to exist without statutory funding. For example, Women in Europe for a Common Future received an EC grant of €1,219,213 in 2011, with a further €135,247 coming from national governments. This statutory funding made up 93 per cent of its total income while private donations contributed €2,441 (0.2 per cent) and member contributions just €825 (0.06 per cent).
There is virtually no funding for organisations which seriously question the Commission’s direction of travel. By contrast, groups that favour closer union and greater centralisation are generously funded. The ‘Europe for Citizens’ programme which ‘gives citizens the chance to participate in making Europe more united, to develop a European identity, to foster a sense of ownership of the EU, and to enhance tolerance and mutual understanding’ has a €229 million budget for 2014-20.
Substantial EU funds are also used to support organisations that share the Commission’s environmentalist agenda. The Green 10 represent the largest of Europe’s environmental lobby groups, but dozens, if not hundreds, of like-minded ecological organisations also receive EU funding. The Commission freely admits that funds are given to environmental groups ‘to support policy development’.
Civil society groups in non-member countries are another funding priority for the Commission. In 2012/13, its Neighbourhood Civil Society Facility had a €22 million budget to be distributed to groups in Eastern Europe, North Africa and the Middle East, later increased to €45.3 million. Many Youth in Action grants have been given to projects in potential new member states such as ‘Unite Unite Europe!’ (Serbia), ‘Be Active, Be European!’ (Albania) and ‘Citizen of my country, citizen of my Europe!!’ (Kosovo).
The EC’s policy of picking allies and supporting them with taxpayers’ money has made the system more elitist and less democratic.
Institute for Economic Affairs Discussion Paper No. 45 (March 2013)
With public confidence in the European project waning, the idea of initiating a ‘civil dialogue’ with the public emerged in the mid-1990s as a way of bolstering the EU’s democratic legitimacy.
Citizens have not been consulted directly, however. Instead they have been ventriloquised through ‘sock puppet’ charities, think tanks and other ‘civil society’ groups which have been hand-picked and financed by the European Commission (EC). These organisations typically lobby for closer European integration, bigger EU budgets and more EU regulation.
The composition of ‘civil society’ at the EU level is largely dictated by which groups the Commission chooses to fund. There has been a bias towards centre-left organisations, with a particular emphasis on those promoting policies that are unpopular with the public, such as increasing foreign aid, restricting lifestyle freedoms and further centralising power within EU institutions.
The EC’s favoured civil society organisations are also marked by a homogeneous worldview and similarity of jargon. The literature and websites of these groups suffocate the reader with vague rhetoric about ‘stakeholders’, ‘sustainability’, ‘social justice’, ‘capacity building’, ‘fundamental rights’, ‘diversity’, ‘equity’ and ‘active citizenship’.
Many of the groups which receive the Commission’s patronage would struggle to exist without statutory funding. For example, Women in Europe for a Common Future received an EC grant of €1,219,213 in 2011, with a further €135,247 coming from national governments. This statutory funding made up 93 per cent of its total income while private donations contributed €2,441 (0.2 per cent) and member contributions just €825 (0.06 per cent).
There is virtually no funding for organisations which seriously question the Commission’s direction of travel. By contrast, groups that favour closer union and greater centralisation are generously funded. The ‘Europe for Citizens’ programme which ‘gives citizens the chance to participate in making Europe more united, to develop a European identity, to foster a sense of ownership of the EU, and to enhance tolerance and mutual understanding’ has a €229 million budget for 2014-20.
Substantial EU funds are also used to support organisations that share the Commission’s environmentalist agenda. The Green 10 represent the largest of Europe’s environmental lobby groups, but dozens, if not hundreds, of like-minded ecological organisations also receive EU funding. The Commission freely admits that funds are given to environmental groups ‘to support policy development’.
Civil society groups in non-member countries are another funding priority for the Commission. In 2012/13, its Neighbourhood Civil Society Facility had a €22 million budget to be distributed to groups in Eastern Europe, North Africa and the Middle East, later increased to €45.3 million. Many Youth in Action grants have been given to projects in potential new member states such as ‘Unite Unite Europe!’ (Serbia), ‘Be Active, Be European!’ (Albania) and ‘Citizen of my country, citizen of my Europe!!’ (Kosovo).
The EC’s policy of picking allies and supporting them with taxpayers’ money has made the system more elitist and less democratic.
Institute for Economic Affairs Discussion Paper No. 45 (March 2013)
It's a remarkable result for them, given the disadvantages they faced in terms of membership, publicity, reputation, finance etc. Good to see the other parties recognising this.
‘Unite Unite Europe!’ (Serbia),
‘Be Active, Be European!’ (Albania)
‘Citizen of my country, citizen of my Europe!!’ (Kosovo).
‘Be Active, Be European!’ (Albania)
‘Citizen of my country, citizen of my Europe!!’ (Kosovo).
massively overpopulated in comparison to America when it was throwing its arms out to the world.
Massively overpopulated by indolent, corpulent driftwood (at all points in the socio-economic spectrum) who feel the country owes them a living without them having to contribute.
Massively overpopulated by indolent, corpulent driftwood (at all points in the socio-economic spectrum) who feel the country owes them a living without them having to contribute.
I voted UKIP...as I was fed up the other parties lying to us
and I shall vote for them at next election.....just to show it was not a protest
I suggest all other UKIP voters do the same
a 'common market'..the old term ..was ok as long as it was just that a market.
it is all the rest that is wrong....
Anyway if Scotland leaves us we are probably fecked anyway
they have got all the oil
if I was PM they would not be going anywhere
and I shall vote for them at next election.....just to show it was not a protest
I suggest all other UKIP voters do the same
a 'common market'..the old term ..was ok as long as it was just that a market.
it is all the rest that is wrong....
Anyway if Scotland leaves us we are probably fecked anyway
they have got all the oil
if I was PM they would not be going anywhere
Comparing Britain in the 20th 21st century to America is of course dishonest.
Lib Dems in 7th place, behind the BNP hahaha..good fe;; off you muppets
Lib Dems in 7th place, behind the BNP hahaha..good fe;; off you muppets
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