Keith Richard

Richards*

70 next year.

Who was the driving force in the writing of those stones classics?  Afaik they just get credited as Richards-Jagger.  Whereas Lennon-McCartney songs generally we know who actually wrote the song.  Though the Beatles were v.good, The Stones were an order of magnitude better imo.

He's got a face like a corduroy cap.

I hope he had a good time getting to look like that.

how will ne cope wiv Bill Ys bird .......she must be 25 by now

Dead men walking!

Jagger’s been on as well,  he’s always been ugly – but after seeing him tonight I’ve upgraded him to hideous.

I’m surprised he’s still got his faculties judging by his looks, but he can still manage to slur a sentence out.

Oh boy what a mess.

Theyre all about seventy and look about seventy, what is the problem.  And regardless of looks theyve all gone through more quality f@nny than any on here.

Speak for your self .

ive had more than keep (nap)

are Y the geezer that stinks of fish............

the stones were awful. biggest music robbers youll ever find

steady

Clive Dunn was better looking than those ugly toads when he made his record ‘’Grandad’’
And he was on life support at the time.

notwhatwho 23 Nov 12 20:02 
the stones were awful. biggest music robbers youll ever find

THe stone were brilliant in the sixties

couldn't agree more Percy

With all the drugs the mans had, I'm amazed he's still alive.

On the presumption that he was at least half of the jagger-richards song writing duo, and bearing in mind his guitar ability, he is one of the four greatest brits in musical history.... Along with Lennon, Bowie  and Van Motisson.

the stones were awful. biggest music robbers youll ever find

Yeah, it's not like they produced Gimme' Shelter, Sympathy For The Devil, The Last Time, Paint It Black, Angie, Wild Horses .............

i've really got to like the Stones in the last year or two, was never a great fan in the past  - but appreciate their stuff now

What a pathetic load of negative whingers on here.

Thought the interviews with each member of the Stones was excellent. It was great seeing these icons of rock and roll still going strong. Elder statesmen of all that's good in this type of music. 50 years of performing is a wonderful achievement - and they've written some classic songs.

Rock and Roll will never die !

Can anyone answer my question regards jagger-richards?  We all know who really wrote the majority of Lennon-Macca songs despite them getting joint credits, but were the stones ones more collective efforts?  Just to chuck a few in the hat... Gimme shelter, honky tonk women, jumping jack flash, paint it black, brown sugar and sympathy for the devil...... Who actually wrote them?  Jagger, Richards or genuine joint efforts?  Because if it was largely down to one person then that one person deserves far more credit than they currently get imo.

They write songs for the money not for the credit.

Yes but regardless of credit/money we know that hey jude and yesterday were by Macca and I am the walrus/strawberry fields were by Lennon.  Afaik the majority of beatles songs we know who actually wrote them, largely because they were the lead singer on the songs they wrote.  Different with the stones because Jagger is generally the frontman regardless of who wrote them.  As Richards is the guitarist, my instinct is to say that he is the main man... In which case he should be put up on a far bigger pedestal than he presently sits.  A bigger pedestal than even John Lennon.

he might look rough now, but 30 years ago with his lifestyle he must have been odds-on not to reach 70, so pretty amazing he is still alive !

rob dylan

I like Stones records but I wouldn't say I was a fan but I read a review of a couple of new songs by them. The reviewer said you could tell which songs were more influenced by which of the two but that they were more collaborative than Lennon and Macartney. He said that the dirtier the sound the more likely it was to be a Richards inspired creation. Which I guess makes sense and which might be suggestive that some of the best bits of their best known songs were more influenced by Richards. I think he was known as the one man riff back then.

Ok eternal.  Like i say, my instinct is that if you play guitar you are more likely to be a writer than if you are just a singer.  Loads of great singers had their songs written for them.  It is an interesting question that, strangely, has never really occurred to me until now.

Hound-Dog-2 • November 24, 2012 10:41 AM GMT
he might look rough now, but 30 years ago with his lifestyle he must have been odds-on not to reach 70, so pretty amazing he is still alive !

ffs in my schooldays (the 60's) we all wondered how long he'd last. If someone back then had said that he'd still be around in his seventies we'd have said that they were barmy

^ Yeah, exactly, no-one expected him to last, so a bit ironic that he nearly kills himself about 5 years ago when he fell out of a coconut tree in Fiji !  after all his drug use etc. would have been very ironic to make it to old age and get killed falling out of a tree !!!

would there have been a bounty for him ?

rob_dylan
23 Nov 12 21:43   
On the presumption that he was at least half of the jagger-richards song writing duo, and bearing in mind his guitar ability, he is one of the four greatest brits in musical history.... Along with Lennon, Bowie  and Van Motisson.

If you were to ask Keef what he thought of his guitar playing his answer wouls be 'Just playing the blues.'

Like a lot of rock guitarists, he abandons standard tuning for 'Open G' tuning, and he admits he doesn't need the 6th string.

He is on bbc2 now until 12.25. 

Living Legend.

I'm watching great songs from movies on 4music

Never watched that channel in my life.

I don't tune in for the UK top 40 as it's all crap. 25% male groups, loads of gayers, and 75% naked slappers who can't sing.

Aerosmith on now.

He doesnt look too bad to me.  He forms sentences, responds to questioning reasonably articulately.  Ive no idea if he is still doing drugs and if so what drugs, but he is 69 and looks it, he doesnt exactly look 80.

Looking at pictures of him as a youngster, he mustve been the coolest guy on the planet back in the day.

The coolest Stone has always been Charlie Watts imo

Have you ever see this?



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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClgtoM2RwQY

I shall have a look after this doco finishes.

They really were exciting times.

I think we all say that no matter when it was,  as we were teenagers once. I feel sorry for 80s teenagers though

60s for me

80's teenager here.
Yeah it was sh1t we only had hip hop,now the biggest selling genre of music in the world, and house music (thats that dancey stuff the stones and the solo beatles tried to jump on)
The sixties stuff works really well still at Wedding discos.
I WANNA HOLD YOUR HAND!!!!!!

Gimme Shelter on now.  Fk me what a song,

On bbc4 now with muddy waters

Yeah it was sh1t we only had hip hop,now the biggest selling genre of music in the world, and house music

You can keep it, no problem.

Rob

The Stones like Led Zep for example would build most of their songs up from riffs and groves. Then jam it it out and build it up. You have to remember smoking herb was a massive influence on Richards riffs and Jaggers` role on then lyrical and performance creations. He says he liked to create a different character every 6 months. This helped the Stones keep on rolling.

For me Gimme Shelter is an all time iconic timeless song. It is extremely difficult to find anything superior.

Just to add Bill Wyman is a genius bass player., so the bass grooves would have been coming thick and fast. I imagine that if Richards came in with a riff that with the brilliance of Wyman and Watts on the rhythm section they would soon be creating a tight groove, it becomes a chemical reaction were they all instinctively feed of each others energy.

It must have been an incredible feeling to nail all those songs while still in your early twenty`s. Feck me why wasn`t it me!

I have to say the 60's have always looked really sh1te to me,tame stuff.

I have to say the 60's have always looked really sh1te to me,tame stuff.

It was generally tame until Led Zeppelin came along. Equipment was transforming in the 60`s and so was the blues. The Stones, Cream and The Kinks were not all that tame.

Todays music is much tamer.

I didn't mean the music so much as lifestyle,just looks really boring to me.

Feck all health and safety.
Feck all traffic on the road
Pubs full of characters
Plenty of work
Footballers were on a honest wage
Teenagers were breaking away from traditions
Women started using the pill
Bookies were characters that took a stance.

Why do you think the 60`s was boring compared to now? Obviously you have plenty of free porn now GPT but how else is it more exciting?

It wasn't boring with the threat of nuclear annihilation hanging over you every day. That week of the Cuba crisis was more than a bit exciting.

Bix

I hope for your sake Iran get that nuclear armoury up and running.

Now that will be exciting!!

AG
No thanks. It was more than exciting it was terrifying and not something I would want to go through again.
Do you remember?

Stones on at 11-00 p.m. on BBC2

First TV broadcast of a never before officially released film.

The Rolling Stones: Charlie Is My Darling.

The Stones on tour in Ireland in 1965.

fkin el i got goosepimples when they come on stage then in ireland and started The Last Time , a great song

Bix

I was conceived in 69`...i remember none of it.

stage invasion psml

concieved gives an impression of planned.

Interesting stuff....who is the less well known guy...?

Check jacket on train...

Probably Andrew Oldham

Keith Richards, cool as fk.

Possibly....looks like him...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Loog_Oldham

Keith Richards on the piano impersonating Elvis... Cracking.

i wonder how teenagers graduated virginity with those guys.

and richards looks like a balloon put up for christmas, does in march.

just seen a bit of the docu that was just on BBC2.  Wyman strikes me as  a creep.
But  its amazing the years they've covered. This doc is shot in the early sixties and Britain looks like wartime Britain. Fookin' dark ages.  If you were them, having grown up in that period, you'd have to be pretty nimble to adjust to the world as it is now.   The world is so very very different now to what it was then.

The dude seen in the documentary is Andrew Oldham..a bit of a charlatan to be fair. He produced the Stones early recording also. He was no expert though.

manager too before klien brainwashed them

Almost all Stones fans will tell you that Keef was the man - he is on a pedastal. The band followed his lead (even Charlie Watts) when performing live. Richards wrote the vast majority of the songs, with Jagger collaborating (mostly wrote the lyrics). There were a few notable exceptions inc BROWN SUGAR which was all Jagger (admitted by Keef). Must admit I wasn't introduced to the Stones till I was about 19 or 20, but I got hooked right away and never looked back. There hasn't been a band since that's got near them.
So so many classic tracks but here's some of my faves inc some lesser known ones.


Sympathy For The Devil (sublime but listen to live versions, even better)
Gimme Shelter (epic, sends shivers down your spine)
100 Years Ago (rock, funk and jazz - mesmerising)
Midnight Rambler (rock/blues opera, goes on forever but you don't want it to end)
Can't You Hear Me Knocking (the greatest, dirtiest opening riff of all time)
Monkey Man (crazy lyrics, crazy song)
She's So Cold (is it possible to play rock n roll more laid back than this?)
Undercover Of The Night (criminally underrated track, still sounds brilliant)
Memo From Turner (my personal all-time fav, was on soundtrack of "Performance" movie)

i forget the name of the biggest influence on their music/lyrics.


i remmber the intials tho  LSD

Nice list Platini, nothing from Exile though

That gimme shelter must have the best intro ever.  For forty seconds it is spine tingling, then there is that bit where they do something( guitar experts will have a more technical term) with the guitar that sends it on another level, just awesome, the next second jagger starts singing.

The youtube live version of Gimme Shelter with Lisa Fisher is awesome

Yeah that is good Lee, amazing that she can shout so loud and still sound good.  One of those docos over the weekend had a quote from Keith, and i paraphrase "me and charlie have been looking at Micks a.rse for fifty years, and we know when he is acting the bellend".  Made me laugh but it makes sense, there is a coolness about them two and you can just imagine them looking at Jagger now and then and then looking at each other and both thinking "head in hands man".

rob_dylan
26 Nov 12 22:09   
That gimme shelter must have the best intro ever.  For forty seconds it is spine tingling, then there is that bit where they do something( guitar experts will have a more technical term) with the guitar that sends it on another level, just awesome, the next second jagger starts singing.

He slides from somewhere about the 14th/15th fret to the 11th fret on the 5th string, then gently bends the string.

The intro ends with a triple vibrato on the 11th fret D string.

Yeah thats it Angel/SF... Great stuff.  "bend" is a good description.  Telegraph website had a thing about the top twenty guitarists of all time today, a lot of them were very obscure to me.  Hendrix predictably number one, they had Richards at two.

Much as I love Keef, he's not in the top list of guitar players from a technical viewpoint (he'd be the first to admit that) but as a songwriter, he has to be right up there, and there's none more stylish and iconic on stage.

LHF, I love Exile (Tumblin Dice, Torn n Frayed, Loving Cup, Shine A Light probably my faves) and ALL DOWN THE LINE is a classic, although better live. And there is also an acoustic out-take of All Down The Line recorded when they were first putting the track together. It featured on some bootleg albums and has since appeared on a recent compiliation (can't remember which one), but here it is, if you haven't heard it :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w91B1WvLweI