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Steve Collins v Lenny McClean
Steve Collins v Lenny McClean
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Cliff Fields done Lenny twice. Roy Shaw said Cliff was the hardest around
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how you doing shane mate? You've had a very bad year.
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Do people on this thread have any genuine inside info? Were they at these underground fights or are they just quoting what theyve searched on wikipedia?
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I was at all 3000
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my inside info is one was pro at top of the world game in the modern era, never knocked out, the other guy was overweight in his prime, knocked out numerous times, reached the dizzy the heights of London pub scene.
One retired to a farm, the other made a living telling people how hard he was, can you tell which is which? |
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his name was useful for the smooth progress of various criminal dealings, and to warn off members of the Provisional Irish Republican Army and the Mafia
does anyone believe this sh1te? |
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One of them is definitely mr winkle brendan.
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Neither. It would have been a draw
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Under Queensbury rules my money would be on a Collins win, or a Maclean disqualification.
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Hello kenny, bad year? why mate?
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brendan just about sums it up correctly above.
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your mum shane. can't have been easy.
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Kenny - not sure who would win but if you're pricing Lenny at 1/14, I'm backing Steve
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Yes, tough time kenny. Looks like the ol fella is moving away now.
You can`t believe alot of the books written about these fellas, take half with a pinch of salt. Well known for romancing. I used to work with a bare knuckle bloke 80`s & 90`s and he always said Bartley Gorman was one of the best ever. |
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All together now ...
Uptown got its hustlers The bowery got its bums 42nd Street got Big Jim Walker He's a pool-shootin' son of a gun Yeah, he big and dumb as a man can come But he stronger than a country hoss And when the bad folks all get together at night You know they all call big Jim "Boss", just because And they say You don't tug on Superman's cape You don't spit into the wind You don't pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger And you don't mess around with Jim Well outta south Alabama came a country boy He say I'm lookin' for a man named Jim I am a pool-shootin' boy My name Willie McCoy But down home they call me Slim Yeah I'm lookin' for the king of 42nd Street He drivin' a drop top Cadillac Last week he took all my money And it may sound funny But I come to get my money back And everybody say Jack don't you know And you don't tug on Superman's cape You don't spit into the wind You don't pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger And you don't mess around with Jim Well a hush fell over the pool room Jimmy come boppin' in off the street And when the cuttin' were done The only part that wasn't bloody Was the soles of the big man's feet Yeah he were cut in in bout a hundred places And he were shot in a couple more And you better believe They sung a different kind of story When big Jim hit the floor now they say You don't tug on Superman's cape You don't spit into the wind You don't pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger And you don't mess around with Slim Yeah, big Jim got his hat Find out where it's at And it's not hustlin' people strange to you Even if you do got a two-piece custom-made pool cue Yeah you don't tug on Superman's cape You don't spit into the wind You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger And you don't mess around with Slim |
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Lenny would have been psyched out by Collins' hypnotist.
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People are underestimating a professional and world class boxers speed.
This fat oaf would have been throwing punches willy nilly whilst Collins would be laughing in his face and moving away from his fists. Speed is almost everything here. Sometimes a person can almost be too big to make a good fighter ( see Valuev ). They cant throw punches cause it takes too much effort. Collins would be a full bank job here. |
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I remember exhibitions with Herol Bomber Graham in Sheffield, no one ever managed to land a punch, just too quick.
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Exactly.
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If i remember correctly he visited Doncaster prison for an exhibition, they tied his hands behind his back and invited all the villains in the nick to take a few swings.
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In the 80`s, they couldn`t land one
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Frank Warren promoted many of these unlicensed fights in the 70's and he said McClean was only a moderate fighter, the myths of him never being beaten are just that myths. Now Bartley was a different case he never lost a fight and was the bareknuckle champion of GB and Ireland, the wife's cousin was making a film about him but I think they encountered some legal problems and I think it has been shelved for now.
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You mean Shane Meadows
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no
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Paddy Consadine (sic)
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yes
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LADINE!!!!!!!
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Touch it
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So fecking funny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVe3qH45-Jk |
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Shane Meadows was looking at making a film about Bartley Gorman, would have been interesting. In his prime he was known throughout the land.
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he made a short early in his career
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB0_QEh-KVs |
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Paddy had a bit of a break as he set up this group and decided to start playing gigs locally. He is apparently working on another boxing film about the promoter Fat Rick Parker, not sure if you will see him acting again as he wanted to do more on the writing and directing side. Shame about the bartley film because he was going to play the lead role and he had been going to the gym and bulking up a bit.
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Not too much of a loss really if he gives up acting. I thought he peaked with a room for romeo brass.
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McLean beat Roy Shaw twice.
Shaw beat Ron Stander a former world heavywight conteder. Stander fought Joe Frazier for the World Heavyweight Crown.  |
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Very measured and softly spoken, for such savage profession
heres some american pro who i never heard of fighting "uk bare knuckle champion" Smokin Bert Cooper -vs- Joe Savage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF79w3ASXS4 Doesnt last long :( |
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Was he reallynuk bare knuckle champion?
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I think a lot of Lenny's story is very much fabricated. Obviously he was a big, hard fecker but it's quite disrespectful to professional boxers to claim he'd beat them easily. A few years ago there was a modern Lenny in the shape of a guy called Kimbo Slice. A few videos of him in bareknuckle, back yard brawls knocking equally big fecker's out cold. He became a cult internet hero, so much so that he was eventually up against pros in a professional setting. He got battered by a guy half his size and the myth was shattered in seconds. If Lenny had come up against a pro in a similar setting I wouldn't have been surprised if he'd got the same treatment.
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Kimbo Slice was a superb street fighter; took on anybody for $5,000. And, to his credit, he always fought very fairly despite the circumstances.
GC is correct though, of course, he did lose in the ring to pro boxers but he was no pushover even then. |
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I cant find anything on Kimbo Slice losing a pro boxing match, he seems to be fighting bums and is 6 - 0 at the moment
 Some of his boxing fights are shockingly bad thoughhttp://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/10/9/3480976/video-kimbo-slice-vs-howard-jones-boxing-match |