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A German documentary about 911.
A German documentary about 911.
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The pulverisation of the towers is very much like an implosion. I suppose the those powder puffs similar to detonations could be passed of as pressured concrete being pressed down from above and exploding out of the sides and if you look closely the video keeps showing you the same two puffs of explosion. A bit of video trickery there.
Those poor people at the start of the video hanging out of the windows. |
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Genelic
Yes, how the BBC reported on WTC7 collapsing more than 10 mins before it actually did is still a mystery to the BBC. They have come forward and said that the information they were given obviously came from a source that had made a mistake. A bit odd to say the least. |
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^ Reuters to be exact. The Rothschilds owned Reuters
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Yes Paradox, was it the Associated Press owned by Reuters. Owned by the Rothchilds.
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A bit odd to say the least.
Understatement of the century imo. If they were being "fed" the info who was concocting the timewarp stew when it's blatantly obvious that building 7 is still standing? |
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Sorry Paradox
Was it the Associated Press and Reuters. Owned by the Rothchilds. |
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Perhaps the word had got out they were going to `pull it` as Larry Silverstone put it.
Chinese whispers and the BBC jumped the gun. |
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Or the press release was already written beforehand?
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Yes paradox thinks there is a Jew behind every conspiracy.
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Always follow the money Pump
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It seems that you have to weigh up two things here and see which you find harder to believe.
1. The US government managed to organise a gigantic conspiracy in order to take advantage of the resulting change in global attitudes and to justify a war on terrorism. 2. Some buildings went from standing up to collapsing at an acceleration of nearly free fall. The first is extremely difficult to swallow. I can't see this conspiracy getting past the 1am conversation in a bar stage to be honest. Look how hard it was for Rob to speak to the engineer today - now imagine having to approach someone and asking him or her to be a part of this conspiracy. Personally, I'd grass them up. I don't like grassing people up, and I can't remember the last time I grassed someone up, but if someone asked me to take part in a mass murder of my own countrymen, I'd grass them up. The second is tricky to understand if you're not an expert. For a building to collapse at near free fall, the resistance needs to suddenly change from being enough to support the weight of the building above to providing only negligible resistance compared to the momentum of the collapsing skyscraper. From a layman's perspective, this doesn't seem impossible. Maybe a lot of aircraft fuel ignited, suddenly shifting a key support in the structure. A lot of girders may then have buckled at the same time under the added stress (it's reasonable that in a symmetrical structure they would all buckle near-simultaeneously). Then you only need to believe that a buckling support column offers negligible support when compared to a normal, unbuckling support column. The structure could, in my layman's opinion, then go suddenly from offering enough support to offering negligible support, and the resulting collapse would be near free fall. I'm saying this because some people are saying or implying that a free-fall collapse in the absence of explosives can be ruled out via common sense, and to my mind that isn't true. Once support columns buckle, they could quickly collapse, no? The conspiracy is so hard for me to swallow that I would need a consensus from engineers to say that it was impossible without explosives, and that hasn't happened. |
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So they plan this whole thing sneaking a load of explosives in but **** up and leak a report to the BBC before they've taken down WTC7? You can have your scientific conspiracy theories but to suggest this is some kind of evidence is completely nonsensical. The very fact that the BBC broadcast with it in the background shows that they didn't really have a clue what was going on, there was a lot of misinformation that day
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I didn't mention jew. The fact that the Rothschilds are of jewish origin does not exempt them from any possible acusation of wrongdoing i'm afraid, as much as some people might wish that to be the case.
Besides which, the Rothschilds couldn't give a **** about the jewish people, they only care about themselves. |
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Good post Patra, agreed
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P.s my father came from the austrian-hungarian border in the 30s fleeing persecution, so I am at least half jewish myself. I am, however, not a **** like some.
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Who says there needs to be a massive conspiracy to carry this out?
George Soros supposedly took on the bank of England almost single handedly in 1992 On September 16, 1992, Black Wednesday, Soros' fund sold short more than $10 billion in pounds,[22] profiting from the UK government's reluctance to either raise its interest rates to levels comparable to those of other European Exchange Rate Mechanism countries or to float its currency. Finally, the UK withdrew from the European Exchange Rate Mechanism, devaluing the pound, earning Soros an estimated $1.1 billion. He was dubbed "the man who broke the Bank of England".[27] In 1997, the UK Treasury estimated the cost of Black Wednesday at £3.4 billion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros Barclays manipulated Libor for years As early as 2005 there was evidence Barclays had tried to manipulate dollar Libor and Euribor (the eurozone's equivalent of Libor) rates at the request of its derivatives traders and other banks http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18671255 Hsbc allowed massive money laundering Last Tuesday, a US Senate probe disclosed how lax controls at HSBC, Europe's biggest bank, left it vulnerable to being used to launder dirty money from around the world. The report into HSBC said huge sums of Mexican drug money almost certainly passed through the bank. Suspicious funds from Syria, the Cayman Islands, Iran and Saudi Arabia also passed through. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18970710 In 1984 it was reported that Iran would be a nuclear nation within 7 years 1984: Soon after West German engineers visit the unfinished Bushehr nuclear reactor, Jane’s Defence Weekly quotes West German intelligence sources saying that Iran’s production of a bomb “is entering its final stages.”US Senator Alan Cranston claims Iran is seven years away from making a weapon. http://azizonomics.com/2012/09/29/irans-imminent-nuclear-weapon/ All it takes is pyschopaths / sociopaths / narcissists etc.. to do what they do best, >>> manipulation |
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Two questions.
1) Is this documentary worth watching? yes/no 2) Is this thread worth reading? yes/no ta |
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With respect genelec the hijacking of 4 planes and 'demolition' of 3 buildings murdering 3000 people is on a slightly different scale to some financial computerised fiddling
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And Jimmy Savile style fidding too.
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I agree with you but I stand by what I say. There doesn't need to be a large conspiracy to carry this out. If most of the key evidence is destroyed and a refusal to carry out a proper independent criminal investigation takes place then the ensuing confusion is enough to manipulate the truth to such an extent that there are the conspiracy theorists on one side and the coincidence theorists on the other endlessly arguing over the mess. It's just distraction.
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Don
The whole plot could have been allowed to progress. The American secret service could have been well aware of the plan and even infiltrated the plot by relaxing security(through confusion) to give it a guiding hand. Americas top brass is very used to making decisions which cost many lives. If they deemed the event as for the`better good` of the American nation on a much grander Geo political scale then could they sleep at night knowing a few thousand people had been snuffed out. If they are fanatical Christians deep down then do they have other ideas about the after life when sacrificed in a fight against the `devil`. and so on. |
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I agree with Genelic, plenty of conspiracy distractions. Red herrings and so on.
Whilst the real business is happening underground. |
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Your term "Fanatical christian" is just another label for what is essentially a pyscopath or a sociopath (one who imitates a pyschopath)
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I am not stating either way on this argument (I can hear them in my garden), but for anyone to believe that a government couldn't/wouldn't be able to carry out anything that is in question is pretty blinkered
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But this is their own, there's no way the numbers required can overlook the murder of 3000 for the greater good and then you'd have to assume everyone approached agreed to go along with it or was indeed snuffed out themselves. And anyhow the plane hijacks weren't justification enough?
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Yes Genelec
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One of the main traits of a psychopath is that they have no empathy and couldn't care less about other human beings. Hitler wiped out millions yet you find 3000 a bit hard to swallow?
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Don
I the orders were just to allow it to happen and confuse NORAD. How many would need to know? |
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AG just carry out some "terrorist training" and warn the men on the ground that there will be some unusual activity on the day. The rest is easy.
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Do you think that if someone was themselves threatened, along with their family and friends, that they wouldn't keep quiet?
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After 11 years...yes
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So we have a group of psychopaths who've all made it to the top and colluded in this plot, must be a few in this thread then
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Pyscopaths are very adept at "making it to the top".
Were these "leaders" psychopaths? * • Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, and Pol Pot, who caused more than 100 million deaths and destroyed countless lives? • Bernie Madoff, operator of the largest Ponzi scheme in history? • Ken Lay, Jeffrey Skilling, and others who led Enron to injure many? What current national and corporate leaders are psychopaths who use charm to gain power and then abuse it to hurt others? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kim-cranston/which-of-our-leaders-are-_b_752833.html |
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From the same article:
Psychopaths are likely to be attracted to (and may be overrepresented in) certain occupations, such as politics, entertainment, and business. "Traits that may be desirable in a corporate context, such as ruthlessness, lack of social conscience, and single-minded devotion to success, may be considered psychopathic outside of it." In a recent study of corporate psychopathy, "The prevalence of psychopathic traits... was higher than that found in community samples." (Corporate psychopathy: Talking the walk, Paul Babiak Ph.D., Craig S. Neumann Ph.D., Robert D. Hare Ph.D.; http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/bsl.925/abstract) Psychopaths are also attracted to careers in law enforcement, the military, and medicine. (http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/11/10/081110fa_fact_seabrook?currentPage=all) • "Psychopathy consists of a specific set of personality traits and behaviors: Superficially charming, psychopaths tend to make a good first impression on others and often strike observers as remarkably normal. Yet they are self-centered, dishonest and undependable, and at times they engage in irresponsible behavior for no apparent reason other than the sheer fun of it. Largely devoid of guilt, empathy and love, they have casual and callous interpersonal and romantic relationships. Psychopaths routinely offer excuses for their reckless and often outrageous actions, placing blame on others instead. They rarely learn from their mistakes or benefit from negative feedback, and they have difficulty inhibiting their impulses." (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=what-psychopath-means) • "The brains of psychopaths appear to be wired to keep seeking a reward at any cost", according to Vanderbilt University research. (http://www.physorg.com/news187775822.html) |
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Hello!
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Lets say 50 people or so were in on the whole truth and orchestrated the whole thing, as has been suggested already.
Presumably the plot must have started with a select few, who must have then gone about 'recruiting' certain the other people that would be required to carry out the mission. Now perhgaps I have too much faith in people, but I would say less than 1 in a 100 people would even consider being part of such an act if approached. Surely not everyone they approached agreed to sign up. It has also been said that possibly 100s of others unknowingly contributed to the act by simply following orders, I can possibly accept this, however, in the aftermath, I would expect some of them to realise that their actions under orders could well have contributed to 9/11 and would be compelled to leak their story. I also find it very hard believe that a cruise missile can be launched 'on the quiet' without many, many people knowing. Any one argument regarding 9/11 can be countered I am sure, but when you put it all together the conspiracy is the mother of all accumulators, and considering this is a betting forum, I find it amazing that some people here have the conspiracy theory as their favourite. |
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My favourite is this Amp.
They let it happen. |
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25/1 the conspiracy and drifting...
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Is letting it happen a conspiracy
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If your perception of what's possible is relatively narrow then anything that falls outside that perception will be easily dismissed.
Stockholm syndrome is an example of this: Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding, is a psychological phenomenon in which hostages express empathy and have positive feelings towards their captors, sometimes to the point of defending them. These feelings are generally considered irrational in light of the danger or risk endured by the victims, who essentially mistake a lack of abuse from their captors for an act of kindness. |