Maths teacher sneaking off to France with 15yr old student...

i say shes still a virgin 33/1

A maths teacher spends 7 nights on the run with his 15yo student and is sentenced to 1,715 days in prison.  How many days of freedom does he lose per night spent alone with the student?

At least he got some Poissy

hope she's not pregnant !

how the fckk this story is national headline news is just beyond belief. you'd think he'd chopped her head off or something

Extraordinary really.  No evidence of her travelling under duress, no proof of sexual exploitation, and the relationship known to the school for months without anyone seemingly batting an eyelid.

Cue an international manhunt, and minute-by-minute British media interest. All that was missing wwas Dim Kay leaning out of the Sky HD Copter.

All very different to the proven sickening cases of abuse practiced against underaged white British girls by organised gangs of racist paedophile rapists up and down this country. The authorities did their utmost to hide that scandal.

We know why that is Alun.

On the bright side she shouldn't have any problem finding employment within racing once she leaves school. A knowledge of time per length should come in very handy.

its hilarious the way the british media bleat about the french media not showing any interest. Perhaps its because they couldn't give a sh1t

do the sun still do topless 16yr olds? She could make a fortune in a few months, tastefully done of course, maybe in a school uniform?

sir denis, agree , youd think the yorkshire ripper had escaped and kidnapped her

Happens all the time on Jez Kyle....

COITUS INTERRUPTUS ?

Not too keen on the step-father

headline news, SHES BEEN FOUND SAFE AND WELL,  ummm thats a surprise

W.A.L.O.F.S.....................

Someone said "if it was your daughter"................It wouldent be

Guedd she had a "strained" homelife

Guess!

Jayco

At 30 he shouldn't be fancying 15 year old girls.

That's almost sweet.
When I was 12 I used to fancy 15yr old girls. Decades later, little has changed.
Perhaps the key issue is that he shouldn't have run off with one, rather than the fancying bit. As a teacher he should have been fully aware of the 2003 Sexual Offences Act. In this case, take away the publicity factor and I doubt the girl would have any long lasting emotional damage from the adventure but that's not the point. Turn a blind eye to this case as some on here seem to think we should, and it's a green light for the more predatory types in positions of trust and authority.

Teachers including those in higher education should not have sexual relationships with their students - it's a betrayal of trust. Like doctors and patients.

yes bet they have been playing doctors and nurses as well no doubt!

Extraordinary really.  No evidence of her travelling under duress, no proof of sexual exploitation, and the relationship known to the school for months without anyone seemingly batting an eyelid.

Cue an international manhunt, and minute-by-minute British media interest. All that was missing wwas Dim Kay leaning out of the Sky HD Copter.

All very different to the proven sickening cases of abuse practiced against underaged white British girls by organised gangs of racist paedophile rapists up and down this country. The authorities did their utmost to hide that scandal.

Hmmm. The reason that this is in the news is the same reason that this thread has accumulated more posts over the last four days than any other (except maybe the pub thread, not sure) and that 10-20% of Chit Chat seem to be looking at it at any one time. It's interesting. Nobody is saying that paedophile gangs is less serious, but people are obviously more interested than this, and the press wants to make money. It's not part of any conspiracy or anything.

Petra.............spot

So what happens now?  She comes back and hates her family for bringing her back or a happy reunion for the cameras?

6 of best no doubt with big floppy slipper.

Could have initiated a new term in the teen's language ...to do a Megan...bit worrrying that...

Sep 28, 2012 -- 10:47PM, OldGold wrote:

So what happens now?

Will she do A-levels?

Amazing scenes,Megan News lead story all day...19 killed in Nepal air crash..7 Brits dead.

you do the maths

A fascinating difference within the BBC and the media at large contrasted with their reluctance to fight for justice for all the 12-15 year olds abused in Rochdale and Rotherham,etc. Why the contrast ?

As far as I'm concerned, nobody knows yet WHY she ran away from home. There may be more to this than a simple elopement.

Treetop. I don't understand 'the BBC and the media at large'. Surely, they are part of the media.

what caught my attention was that school trips now go to Los Angeles, CA, USA. How times have changed - in my day you were lucky to get Swanage with ants crawling up yer backside due to public funded groundsheets that were way beyond repair. And they talk about austerity cuts in this generation ?

Heard them talking on the radio this morning about all the help and counselling she will need, and how she's unlikely to be able to return home soon because of all the journos camped outside the house.

She'll probably end up more phecked up by the media hounding her than the teacher.

Tbf cricketjon it will cost them 50k to go to uni thanks to the profligate generations that went before them and pissed it all up the wall.

how does that explain a school trip to LA? What was the educational objective? and thirdly the uni route is not a route i would propose whether it costs 50k or 5k

meganstammers.com domain name has been taken

how much will the parents sell their story????

why is this such headline news  I don't get it - I suppose it excites the media types - think they should start asking questions about themselves whilst poor girls all over the country are being abused by gangs but is swept under the table STILL

but they are getting stuck into jimmy saville who is dead and can't answer back!!!  funny old world

she'll sell the story, he'll do a couple of months in jail and when she's 16 they'll move in together.

The ONLY reason non-stories like this get lapped up by the tabloid media is because it offers them the mouth-watering potential to get their favourite word onto the front page. I hardly need add that the word is, of course, PAEDO.

It all backfired stupendously for them a few years back, when poor Maddy Macca was apparently 'kidnapped' by a cross-section of celebrity lookalikes operating across the globe ('Ted Bovis' being my particular favourite), when they had to pay massive damages and make grovelling and humiliating apologies in open court to that local man (and others) disgracefully and wrongly accused of all sorts. Inexplicably, not one British journalist or editor lost their job over publishing the most grievous libels imaginable.

Don't get the objections/puzzlement re the media interest in the story. Petra summed it up very nicely imo.
Or to use an old aphorism:
Dog bites man - not news.
Man bites dog - news story.

Child abused in UK - sadly, very common. News only in extreme cases.
Child ups and runs off abroad with her teacher - somewhat less common I'd say.

To say this is a 'non-story' is bizarre. It clearly is a story that people are interested in. And rightly so.

Or on another tack that I'm surprised the Daily Mail haven't taken - this bloke has been getting paid by you and I at times when he has been, (erm, allegedly), engaged in child abuse. That's something we should be told about.

Incidentally, another oddity is about to occur I think.
Her name, that has been plastered over the front pages and in just about every news report in the last week will very soon disappear from view, to be replaced by, "a girl of 15 who can not be named for legal reasons".

love it love it  'legal reasons' and so right

but the forensic picking over the details by Sky, in particular, is both unnecessary and sickening - keeps other more serious stuff off the news
the claim that publicising this to help her be found is no longer the excuse to spend so much time on it
they won't do this for the culturally sensitive related issues that involve more than one underage girl - more like hundreds

the pope's butler  is more important as a news item

Andrew Mitchell's thank-you letter is in the post

Why is this story so much in the news as if she was in danger?

By all accounts, she went of her own free will and intended to stay. She's had a free holiday, done some sightseeing, improved her maths probably, certainly improved her conversational French and has probably experienced carnal pleasures in a better way than with the fumblings of a spotty faced youth.

That's alright then Clerky. Good message to send out to teachers in secondary schools and all others in positions of trust and authority.
As for the danger, probably minimal but to be honest anyone who's done what he's done must have a frickin slate loose somewhere. Could have ended badly for one or both of them.

the guy got married last year. Probably realised he made the biggest mistake of his life. then this young lass with large chebs comes across and he probably thinks fk it. It cannot get worse. Le Voila. Kudos to him, he took the chance.

most people self destruct by alcohol, he self destroyed by possibly spaffing on some young chebs

Are you a tombstone writer The Magic Flea?

I might want a quote for mine

Are teachers allowed to have Facebook and Twitter accounts and 'friend' and 'folow' their pupils?

If so, their contracts need re-writing.

This guy is an embarrassment to his profession frankly.

Teachers nationwide have all had warnings about Twitter and Facebook accounts RH - warnings from their own unions and from their employers. They are allowed them because they can't be forbidden from doing so but it's a ropey thing to do imo.
It's not just a matter of being a 'friend' of pupils or of 'following' or being 'followed' on Twitter by pupils, the problem can be more convoluted than that. Very often school staff, not necessarily teachers, are from the area around the school. They have 'friends' who are parents at the school who are, in turn, 'friends' with others and with kids at the school. The member of staff, lets say it's a TA, is friends with a teacher and very soon any lapse on privacy settings, or simply a rogue comment made after a couple of glasses of vino, leads to comments being seen by eyes that they weren't meant for, or images being seen by parents and kids that the teacher really wouldn't want to be floating round school. Falling over drunk on a summer holiday might be a vaguely acceptable occurrence for the Head of Chemistry to do; but probably not something he/she should be sharing with Year 10 kids.
School staff all over the country have been disciplined and sacked as a result of Twitter and Facebook indiscretions. The bloke in this case is a total embarrassment to the profession and some of the laissez faire comments on here defy belief.
(Some of the puns are quality though.)

The problem is to be a good teacher you actually have to care about the kids. Problem is I suppose drawing up the correct boundaries.

Yep - somewhere in between beating them round the head with a dumbbell and sh@gging them senseless on a P&O ferry, there is a line to be drawn.

Shag them with a dumbbell. Simples

Almost as embarrassing for the profession as his child abuse is his complete feckin idiocy. In a country where isolated rented accommodation can be obtained without ever meeting the property owner and where it's dead cheap to do it out of season, this chump marches down the high street of one of France's busiest cities. Moron.

re: Crisp77  29 Sep 12 15:54   
The problem is to be a good teacher you actually have to care about the kids. Problem is I suppose drawing up the correct boundaries.


I disagree, if your primary focus is to care about the children then you should have been a social worker.  As a teacher your primary focus is to care about their education, and because you care about that, it means you run a controlled and disciplined  classroom... unlike most of the zoos that pass for classrooms these days.

Far too many young teachers want to be liked by their class, both pupils and teachers are much better off when the class is terrified of the teacher

spot on yyw

About as far from spot on as you can get but that's the Betfair forum for you

Although only 15, the student did consent to go along with the teacher and I doubt if she feels in any way violated (maybe I am wrong). Yes, it was wrong of the teacher in this case and the parents can breathe a sigh of relief that their daughter is fine BUT I find it difficult to equate this story with other stories of child abuse and abduction.

Fast forward a year or two...teacher & student will probably be living together anyway.

let me guess Pandorica - completed your teacher training within the last ten years?

no

But on the other hand I do live in 2012.

How many years ago then? 

and how many years since you were last in front of a class?

20
Erm ... about 27 hrs

Is this timetable going anywhere?

Primary or Secondary?  Pastoral care?

See above re teachers giving away too much information online.
Weird of you to ask for all the details imo.

How on earth is that too much information?  Unless pandorica is a username you use on other sites of course...


I think pastoral care is best tackled out of the classroom by dedicated staff.  Yes, teachers should know what is going on but their job is to teach.  When I think back to my schooldays, we had teachers who were pushovers, we knew that we could easily waste a lesson if we asked them questions about their hobbies or interests.  We'd sit there pretending to be interested, but once the class was over we'd be outside ridiculing them.

Today pupils are far more savvy than we ever were, and where you have teachers who honestly believe that the best way to engage a class is to be their friend, the teaching can very quickly evaporate.  In same cases teachers are nothing more than puppets, controlled by the class bullies. 

I really don't care if a student likes or dislikes me, I care that at the end of course they will have the best qualification they're able to achieve.

Don't think you need to worry too much about whether they like you orn not but do you reallyt want thm to be terrified of you as you stated earlier?

I don't see how a terrified child is going to receive a proper education.

Don't think I use it anywhere else but my life history is irrelevant.
I don't much mind if a kid likes me or not either but that's not the point. It doesn't mean I don't care about them - see Crispy's original post.
You seem to be confusing holistic education, with friendship, with caring.

I never said I don't care about my pupils, there are kids who live in such awful situations it's reduced to tears - no doubt you've felt the same.  It makes no difference whether if because of the suffering they are the mouthy, violent ones or the scared, bullied ones... once you start blurring the lines you don't actually help them.  If kids are trapped in poverty, abusive parents etc then the best hope for them is to get a good education so they can remove themselves into a better life.

I absolutely believe in pastoral care, but if a teacher starts acting as a counsellor to a damaged kid they will kick off when, inevitably, you have to switch to teacher-mode... and if you don't, they'll more than likely cling to you/walk all over you.

too many teachers on this thread, looking for tips 1.01

re: Don't think you need to worry too much about whether they like you orn not but do you reallyt want thm to be terrified of you as you stated earlier?

I don't see how a terrified child is going to receive a proper education.

It was a joke, as indicated by the smiley face!   However, given the choice between walking into a classroom and having the kids barely glance up or acknowledge my presence by shutting up and facing the front ready for work... I know which I'd choose. Ideally I want to be respected, but if I can't be respected I'm not acting all friendly in the hope that will get them to listen to me.

It's a harsh fact of teaching that kids sense fear and weakness... and once they've marked you out, it's almost impossible to regain control.  We had a newly qualified teacher who brought in home-made cakes for her first classes and told the class all about herself (dog's name, holidays, hobbies etc).  They made mincemeat of her, she lasted 18 months and was a nervous wreck by the end of it.

We had a newly qualified teacher who brought in home-made cakes for her first classes and told the class all about herself (dog's name, holidays, hobbies etc).  They made mincemeat of her, she lasted 18 months and was a nervous wreck by the end of it.


That sort of thing should be covered in week one of teacher training college. She shouldn't of even got her teaching qualification (if there is such a thing)

We did try Crisp77, but she'd come into teaching with the belief that she could reach out to the damaged children and turn their lives around.  She thought by reaching out as she did, the children would realise they could trust her and that she was a person first and a teacher second.

They destroyed her day by day and she still couldn't understand why they treated her as they did... because in her eyes all she'd done was to be kind to them.

should have wanked one of them off imo

Brendanuk1 demonstrating with that insightful, well articulated response, that the education system is working well.

brendan for head boy

yes either wank one of them off or bang one for few months then run away to france and try to get a job in a bar.

It was a joke, as indicated by the smiley face!   However, given the choice between walking into a classroom and having the kids barely glance up or acknowledge my presence by shutting up and facing the front ready for work... I know which I'd choose. Ideally I want to be respected, but if I can't be respected I'm not acting all friendly in the hope that will get them to listen to me.

It's a harsh fact of teaching that kids sense fear and weakness... and once they've marked you out, it's almost impossible to regain control.  We had a newly qualified teacher who brought in home-made cakes for her first classes and told the class all about herself (dog's name, holidays, hobbies etc).  They made mincemeat of her, she lasted 18 months and was a nervous wreck by the end of it.

fair enough, missed the smiley - would n't argue with any of that.

Frankie Boyle ‏@frankieboyle

Imagine what the rest of that guys Maths class looks like if that's the one he ran off with? Was there a fire at the school last year?

frankie normally sharp on the edgy ones . but this is a wayward post ....

wot windsor said

Maths teacher sneaking off to France with 15yr old student...

This couldn't have come at a better time drawing the media attention away from the Pakistani pedo rings. I wonder what ratio of time the BBC as allocated to both storys.

same as that

Once its all died down .....We can have Elton John ...David & the baby back on

she'll get an A+ for homework "what I did in the school holidays"

Teachers should control the classroom not the pupils. Im surprised people do not understand that but yes indeed this is 2012

Teachers however should not abuse that authority.

The entire British state education system is a monstrous fraud to be fair. The magnitude of the scandals go way beyond this tatty little episode.

St Trinian's on Film 4 in a bit

When he was finally caught after trying to get a job at that new English Bar.  He couldn't have picked a worse place and made a crucial slip.  It was staffed with English and Irish workers and had 2 big screens showing English news channels and he was headline news. D'oh !

Typical teacher...clueless trying to find a job in the real world.

abolo
24 Sep 12
No it was 15 in France until 2006, now it's 18. The guy is late and/or not well informed

I wonder what became of abolo,  he lived in Newham you know.

The parents of a schoolgirl who ran away with her teacher are in hospital recovering from suspected suicide attempt, it emerged today.
They were carried out of their home on stretchers by an ambulance crew, reportedly suffering from a drugs overdose.
Last night the couple were said to be in a stable condition at Eastbourne Hospital, East Sussex.


Five police cars and two ambulances arrived at the parents' home in Eastbourne, on Wednesday night after the girl's mother rang the emergency services.
A neighbour told the Sun: 'The dad and his wife left on stretchers. Then there lots of camera flashes inside the house and evidence bags were carried out.
'A friend who lives close by was told by police they believed two people at the house had suspected overdoses.'



Neighbours denied that the apparent overdose was connected to the girl running off with her teacher.
In a statement, Sussex Police said: 'A  man and a woman have been taken to hospital in Eastbourne suffering from the effects of what is believed to be an overdose.
'Police were called to a house just before 8pm last Wednesday. On arrival they found the man described as very ill and the woman who is understood to have called the ambulance service. Both were then taken to hospital.'
The teacher was brought back to Britain and arrested on suspicion of child abduction after magistrates in Bordeaux agreed to his extradition.

Dearie me! Those Australian DJs really do have a lot to answer to.

has there been any more developments here?

June 10th trial due to start

Attention seeking surely? Took an overdose but called an ambulance before it kicked in?

I bet the daughter is giving them hell though for taking her away from her beloved.