Horizon programme on fasting!

thanks superam

haven't been on in a while.......must do an update soon.

Channel 5 11.10AM tomorrow, 12th July.  Fat,sick and nearly dead, worth watching.

Been doing the 5:2 since the beginning of March. Down from 15st 3lb ish to 13st 5ish.

I'd like to get down to about 12 and a half, but the weight loss has been very slow over the last few weeks. Need to up the exercise a bit when the weather cools down!

Channel 5 now

It was on Thurs night aswell Alpha

Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead - about the benefits of fasting and juicing - is on again on Ch5 today at 5pm.

That's the full version, much better than the one been aired already, much more info.

Ah yes superam, I see it's on for an extra 50 minutes tonight. I saw the first showing last week and thought it very interesting. This should be better.

For those interested, 'Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead' is being shown on Ch5+1 at 6pm (freeview 44)

btw Phil is now a qualified nutritionist and set up his own health and nutrition company.

i bACK SEPT 6

Been doing this 11 months now and am down 10kg on this time last year.  Crept under 80kg today for the first time for many years.

Keep the faith - those still doing it!

so how does this work? I'm in big need of a sxxitload of weightloss and improvement to blood pressure and blood sugars?
do you just fast with nil cals for 2 chosen days per week- say a Monday and Wednesday and then just do your normal eating on other days?

The Men Who Made Us Thin - documentary on BBC2 now about the diet industry charletons.

An excellent documentary (the first of 3 about the diet industry). Well worth catching up with on the iplayer.

'The Men Who Made Us Fat' is being repeated on BBC2 at 11:20pm tonight.
Again; well worth watching.

Jacques Peretti explores how decisions (many being political) made 40 plus years ago have had such an impact on the health and weight of people today:

"Peretti travels to America to investigate the story of high-fructose corn syrup. The sweetener was championed in the US in the 1970s by Richard Nixon's agriculture secretary Earl Butz to make use of the excess corn grown by farmers. Cheaper and sweeter than sugar, it soon found its way into almost all processed foods and soft drinks. HFCS is not only sweeter than sugar, it also interferes with leptin, the hormone that controls appetite, so once you start eating or drinking it, you don't know when to stop.

Endocrinologist Robert Lustig was one of the first to recognise the dangers of HFCS but his findings were discredited at the time. Meanwhile a US Congress report blamed fat, not sugar, for the disturbing rise in cardio-vascular disease and the food industry responded with ranges of 'low fat', 'heart healthy' products in which the fat was removed - but the substitute was yet more sugar."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01jxzv8

I saw that Tommy...very interesting.

Lose weight then put it back on.

Aye, Crisp: Lose weight then put it back on - ad nauseum - so you want to lose it again and are therefore forever lining the coffers of the diet industry charletons.

Easily done. I've shifted a bit of timber recently but how I long for the days of scotch eggs and crisps.

Haha! I can well imagine!

The Men Who Made Us Fat - documentary on BBC2 now.

This is such a good documentary.

A 'must watch' - for anyone really - whether you want to lose weight or not.

Politicians causing so much more harm than good - as usual.

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a word abouyt fasting ...
i'm no expert ,but was always told never fast on just water ...

was told to pick one item ...eg apples ,and eat them instead ,so maybe not a true fast but with fewer problems .

apparently fasting with water releases toxins too quickly into the system .


maybe worth checking out folks

how bout a red wine diet?

say- 2 bottles a day and nothing else - except water

would that work?

Jacques Peretti explores how decisions (many being political) made 40 plus years ago have had such an impact on the health and weight of people today:

Actually the blame lies squarely with the scientific community, 98 percent of whom took the bribes, toed the lines, took the promotions and tenures, and more importantly, discredited any dissenters. Only changed tack when forced to 50 year late when the lie was no longer defensible.

Of course not all were corrupt, many are just incompetent.

The Diet Delusion

.http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Diet-Delusion-Gary-Taubes/dp/0091924286/ref=sr_1_sc_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1376233320&sr=8-1-spell&keywords=the+diet+deluion

A very good book.

Second part of 'The Men Who Made Us Thin' on BBC2 at the moment.

that made us thin thing is interesting but massively slanted to fit their own agenda. simply saying that diets "dont work" is a ridiculous statement. a healthy diet is a diet and definitely does work. saying that most people put weight back on proves nothing, obviously most people put it back on, because most people that are trying to lose weight eat a load of ****. otherwise theyd all be thin in the first place.

I wouldn't say he is saying 'diets don't work' rather just giving the history of the multi-billion pound industry it's become in the last 40 years or so.

The 2nd part repeat of his excellent series 'The Men Who Made Us Fat' is on BBC2 now.

Third part of 'The Men Who Made Us Thin' on BBC2 now.

Thanks for the reminder. I haven't been in long so missed the start.

I'll watch it on iplayer tomorrow.

Part 1 is on youtube

.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiXicpOJRYY

Final part of 'The Men Who Made Us Thin' on BBC2 now.

anyone still fasting ?

i still do twice a week weight constant but no loss

Well Capt_F

I was thinking of resurrecting this thread as well.  I started last January at 14st 12lb, and on May 17th I was 13st 2lb...was very happy with it....would update this thread regularly.

Things went belly-up (no pun intended) for a while after May 18th - personal reasons, pretty nasty car crash so while I was not incapacitated I had restricted movements for 4-5 weeks, and with all the associated going-ons I stopped dieting as regularly and stopped walking (which I was doing in conjunction).

However, when back to normal I've continued. I'd fast at least once a week and 3/4 of the time twice. Haven't walked as regularly until the last few weeks where I'm back to walking 5 miles (1.5 hours) about 5 times a week.

Its the same as you - weight is constant at 13st - 13st 2lb. I'm happy with that for now as I eat and drink whatever I like 5 days a week.

For me,
-- I find the fast days easy, in fact I quite like them! I feel like I'm giving myself a rest, not "dieting". I do them no problem whatsoever
-- Appetite has certainly lessened - on normal days I enjoy my food a lot but dont/cannot eat as much as I used to!
-- Pleased that I'm eating all natural foods including plenty of natural fat (no low-fat this, low-fat that)
-- It's a success for me because its a normal part of my life-style, no real effort.
-- Want to lose another stone - will wait until January and do some serious walking, cut-down on bread a little bit and see where it brings me. Once reached I would expect fasting would maintain me at 12 stone or so

Great stuff Wallflower.

I started the 5/2 over 14 months ago and have managed to sustain my weight loss (approx 2 stone) with ease.Monday is my main day where i keep strictly to 600 cals and on the other day not quite as strict but still very careful( have a chicken kebab and throw away the pittar bread).My wife suffered from headaches so she only limits herself to the one day and she has also sustained her early weight loss. Its a way of life now and its brilliant.I still drink approx 12 pints of ale a week..to anyone who wants to lose weight just DO IT.

Brilliant, Twizzle.

It's so good to see a 'plan' which really works for people - long term.

Cheers Tom.

easiest way to lose weight is to live on chicken/turkey breast and vegetables. dun half get boring though.

the next best thing is to cut out one meal. the last one. that makes the weight drop off.
thats why its funny when the ads say swap one meal for special k or swap one meal for those milkshakes helps you lose weight. well aye, it would do lol. swap one meal for nowt would work even better.

Bob..thats the problem with conventional weight loss plans..it can be deadly boring. With the 5/2 a two day restriction allows you to eat what you like during the remainder of the week.

nice won guys well done

There's a really interesting 3 part article on the BBC site at the moment about fasting and its possible benefits.

First part:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25498742

Second part:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25498743

Third part:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25549805

Grateful for the links Tom...all three articles make very interesting reading..more evidence that intermittent fasting has many health benefits including weight loss and a general feeling of well being.Not sure i could do 5 days on the spin though.

Twizzle, I've always been very interested in what we eat - primarily because I've had so much stomach trouble!

Through first developing a stomach ulcer at just 22 years of age I've had many years, off and on, of severely limiting my food intake - just because I didn't want to 'hurt'.

Family and friends were always telling me that what I was doing was 'wrong' (in limiting my diet so much) - but I never took a blind bit of notice of them as I knew what I was doing was right - ie, not hurting myself. but eating enough to keep my body healthy.

It's of great interest to me that all these years later there's so much scientific evidence coming out now about how restricting your calories (in particular) is good for you.

For my part; I always feel far better when I have little to eat. Far more alert and 'cognitive', if you will.

People, particularly in the Western world, have become 'used to' eating far more than they need to - and all the tripe about 'big is beautiful' and such stuff which has been promoted over the last 25 years in particular is doing no good whatsoever to anyone - other than the multi-national food companies and their profits.

Top post..agree with everything you say.Bit like yourself i have suffered with I.B.S and diverticulitis for some time.Since i began intermittent fasting in Aug 2012 my symptoms have improved immensely.The conglomerates must hate these type of reports.

Came "off" 5:2 over last two weeks - just wasn't practical, away from home, at family events and various other things.....will return to 5:2 on Monday January 6th, and looking forward to it!

In the 50 weeks or so I did in 2013, I would have "fasted" on 2 days at least 40 of those weeks and at least 1 day every week. Like others I noticed my appetite reduced noticeably, I ate whatever I liked and as much as I liked (my diet is generally quite good, I think anyway), but paradoxically I just seemed to eat less overall.

My first "fasts" were hard, I was "starving".... but of course they became easy and normal.

What I have noticed after these last 2 weeks of big meals, gunge, sweets etc - its the old pattern - the more I eat the more "peckish" I get....and I certainly don't feel as healthy. Thankfully, I have the solution now.

Someone said when I started it, it would be one of the best things I ever did. They were right.

Well done wallflower..keep spreading the gospel

Quite often I do the 16:8 fast. That means I eat during an 8 hour window.

My first meal of the day is at 12.00 or 1.00PM.

This is usually porridge or eggs. Which is what I like for breakfast but instead I have it for lunch. 3 days a week I have to have a proper meal at lunch time but then I'll have porridge for tea

Then I will have dinner in the evening then I won't eat anything else after 8.00 or 9.00PM.

All snacks fruit nuts etc are eaten within the 8 hours.

I can actually manage a morning weights workout at the gym on no breakfast. I was a bit worried the first time I tried it but I was fine. Thought I might feel faint but I didn't.

Anyway, that works for me and helps keep my weight in check.

I've been like a pig at a trough since Christmas so I must get back to it.

Well I've taken the plunge today. Under my 600 (or is it 700) calories intake and I'm feeling somewhat virtuous.

Oh and bloody hungry too!

Sensible answers please. I'm about 6ft I inch and about 16 1/2 stone. How much can I reasonably expect to lose in say 2 months if I stick to to 5/2?

if you go below 1000 calories you might end up with real stomach problems. the Gall bladder produces bile. this can crystallize and cause stones to form which can become life threatening. stay between 1000-2000 calories and you should lose weight. without the gall bladder danger.

Paris...600 cals for men ,500 for women.Stick with it.You will feel hungry to begin with but after a few weeks you will embrace the hunger(i know that sounds ridiculous but its true)In two months,providing you stick to the 600 cal rule)you will lose at least 25lbs but not just that, you will feel a whole lot better.You will control food not the other way around.Choose your two fast days when you're busy and you will find them a lot easier to deal with and when you feel hungry glug a pint of adams ale.Tomorrow you can eat and drink what you want..remember that..its the best mind thought to get you through the hunger plus you will feel a great sense of achievement.g/l

parispike, to add to, and to back-up twizzle22's comments...

..it is difficult the first few times (I'd say about 4-6 times, with decreasing difficulty), so its important to acknowledge that. My experience when I started this time last year was exactly as others before me predicted, it gets really easy, in fact after a couple of months it's like a "rest day" - you feel like you are giving your body a break.

I found my enjoyment of food and the taste of food increased, also very liberating 5 days a week, and contrary to what you think you don't gorge yourself those days, well maybe the first non-fast day.

It's not a "diet" in the generally understood sense, I think of it more as an eating pattern - just fits into the rhythm of my lifestyle.

i was thinking of doing the one day fast.

can someone give me a link to the 2 day.can't seem to find it.  tia

The Times magazine today (Saturday) has an article on this, advocating a 4:3 diet, with a whole load of ultra low calorie recipes and suggestions. I'm expecting it to say that it'll not only improve weight loss, but claim to prolong your life. I'll report back when I can be bothered to read it.

high nutrient diet low in calories is not new. take a multi vitamin? with your grub. 1000-1500 calories a day. two litres of water.

In Daniel 1:15-16 The Bible says, "Well, at the end of the ten days, Daniel and his three friends looked healthier and better nourished than the youths who had been eating the food supplied by the king! So, after that the steward fed them only vegetables and water, without the rich foods and wines!"

Daniel had just proven how amazingly powerful a 10-day cleansing diet really was.

Haven't read all the thread, but seems worthwhile. Sadly, this link is gone...









     






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May still be on the iplayer but it's here if not:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pfna7nV7WaM


Anybody know of an alternative?

Dr Michael Mosley, who was responsible for the promotion of the 5:2 diet, was on the Richard Bacon show on Radio5 this afternoon.

I didn't hear the programme, and can't listen to it now on the iplayer as my speakers are just about shot to bits - but he always has some very interesting things to say.

I believe today he was talking about high intensity training (short bursts of physical activity which are supposed to be as beneficial as long sessions of gym work, cycling etc).

For those interested in listening, you can hear him hear - scroll across to 20 minutes from the start of the programme:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03nppfx

*hear him here

Thanks for that link Tommy.

I believe today he was talking about high intensity training (short bursts of physical activity which are supposed to be as beneficial as long sessions of gym work, cycling etc)

..and nearly killed Andrew Marr

Here stewarty:

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvdbtt_eat-fast-live-longer-hd_shortfilms

Thanks FlowerMtyh.

Amazing programme. Glad I watched it and hopefully I will follow some of the advice given due to the fact I was diagnosed with diabetes in August last year due to an unhealthy lifestyle. Too much beer, lack of exercise and a bad diet. I'm addressing these problems I may add, but every little bit of information helps. I might give the 5/2 diet a try after consulting my doctor.

Thanks again FlowerMtyh.

There's an interesting Horizon programme on BBC2 tonight at 9pm (repeated tomorrow night at 11:20pm): Sugar v Fat

"What's worse for us: sugar or fat?

To answer the hottest question in nutrition, twin doctors Chris and Xand Van Tulleken go on month long high-fat and high-sugar diets. The effects on their bodies are shocking and surprising.

But they also discover that in the debate about fat and sugar, the real enemy might have been hiding in plain sight."

I marked that off in Saturday's TV pull-out Tommy. Has a really good write up. I'm recording it and watching 24 hours in A&E on 4 at 9pm.

I'll probably watch the repeat tomorrow night at 11:20pm, Stewarty, as I'm listening to the match on Radio Stoke and watching Final Score on 301.

There's an interesting Horizon programme on BBC2 tonight at 9pm (repeated tomorrow night at 11:20pm): Sugar v Fat

Starting now.

I'm watching the repeat - on BBC2 now.

Lost my mum in August due to liver cancer and the whole healthy lifestyle really went out of the window.My weight crept back up to 16st 9 lbs and I tried to start fasting again just before Christmas but found it really difficult and gave up.

With my holiday coming up in March I finally got motivated to get started again and have been fasting every other day for two weeks now and have managed to lose a stone.

It was really hard to start with again but it is getting easier and having about 37 days to lose what I can is the goal I need to keep going.

Agree with twizzle you do embrace the hunger and very slowly I'm starting to feel much better as the weight comes off.The hardest part is just starting.

Will update how I go on.

i started the one day fast on 4th jan and have lost 12lb already.
on fast day i have 3 bowls of home made lentil soup = 750 cals.
on other days i'm probably between 1400-1700.
i always have a bowl of soup for breakfast and can honestly say i've never felt hungry.
anyone who is struggling should try it.

Bigmo

sorry to hear about your ma

best of luck

well done tam

Good luck Bigmo and Tambhoy.

Thanks Capt and Tommy.

Sorry to hear of your loss bigmo...condolences friend.

Thanks twizzle.

I've decided to knock the beer on the head until the holiday as I really pay the price when I indulge.Managed to get to 15 st 7lb with 23 days left so if I can get under 15st I'll be reasonably happy.

This thread has inspired me to give it a go. I decided to give it a crack about six weeks ago, when I cut my hours down to a three day week as I didn't fancy dieting and feeling hungry the whole time when I was at work. I have to admit I am finding the starvation tough! I have never drank so much tea in my life but the first couple of weeks the results were startling and I went from 14st 4lb down to 13st 6lbs. I have just lost another 6lbs in the last month and am hoping to lose another stone to get down to 12 stone.

I am very conscious about changing the way I eat. I have never really eaten junk food, but my portion size was far too big and rather than stop eating nuts altogether (I love them), I will now stop when I've eaten a third of a large bag of pistachios, rather than finish the whole lot off! Also no big meals for me after the pub at eleven o'clock anymore for me, so hopefully I won't end up putting it all back on when I give the diet up and go back to eating 'normally'.

Good luck everyone!

Very well done pixie..great weight loss.I see that the chancellor Osborne is on the 5-2..lets all hope it works in reverse for him..odious man

ttt how we all doing now a year on? anybody sticking with it?

There was an interesting programme on Ch4 last night called 'Weighing Up The Enemy' whereby they reckoned a study by Yale university had concluded that people on weight loss diets will stick to them far better if their money is pitted against someone else also trying to lose weight, especially if they don't like the other person's principles.

It was eye-opening in many respects, not least the fact that with the massive growth industry in women's extra-large clothing (especially high end) it's becoming so much more acceptable that women are great, big, enormous beasts - and they have even less reason to shed any fattage if they can buy the clothes they like - and have spent a fortune doing so, which gives them even less of a reason to lose the flab as their expensive clothes would become redundant.

One of the two protagonists in the programme waging their money with each other was a 36ish year old doctor who was something like 6-8 stone overweight.
Which is shocking in itself.

Just pure greed, gluttony and indolence had got her to that state.
And she is the one dishing out advice to others on their health.
Sheesh.

She did make me laugh with one comment though when she said something like:
"I've tried the 5:2 diet, which went to the 6:1 diet, which then became the 7:7 diet - which wasn't any diet at all and I was just stuffing my face with anything I wanted 7 days a week."

If anyone's interested, you can watch it here:

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/weighing-up-the-enemy/on-demand/59354-001

I did it for about a year then lapsed.Back on it as of Monday this week.

I fasted in November for 6 days, first time ever. Only drank herbal tea and lemon juice. It was hard for the first two days then it got progressively easier; by the last day I felt like I could do it longer. Only stopped when I did because I had a party at the weekend and wanted to eat and drink.

Its been a long time since I felt so clear in my head. Slept great. After the first couple of days I felt strong and fit...and slim. And I lost about 3kg, most apparently from my waist. I read about it online and thought why not? I read that the body cleans itself out, detoxifies itself and dumps dead cells, free radicals etc.

I dunno if two days fasting is any good but I will definitely do another soon. Planning two times a year.

I lost 4 stone doing this in 2013. I've put a stone back on since last summer so will be giving it another go from Monday.
I find fasting easier than worrying what I can & can't eat and how many calories there is in anything.

you have so much more time as well - no cooking, no shopping...and no crapping

I'm starting it on Monday

you'll get nowhere if you count calories.

After reading the Diabetes thread which I suffer from I'm seriously considering this again as felt the best I'd  felt for years when on it.

tried calorie counting for twenty years - on and off. Lost five stone gained five stone. Lost three stone gained four stone. etc. Must have lost my total body weight over the years. People say i don't look my age but I definitely feel it. Wrecked.
Tried cutting refined carbs and am getting ultra super results. Wasted all those years on calorie counting bulll.
Like a lightweight muscle building course without that whey protein nonsense. But the cave man diet is affecting my stomach. Cannot eat any bread/cake now - body doesn't recognize it anymore. I can eat pasta if i want to? But don't - i think it might be the soy flour in the bread that affects me.

Feb 18, 2013 -- 11:48AM, houseofpain wrote:

Day 1:  208.8lbsDay 7:  205.6lbsDay14:  204.9lbs, a bit weird this fasting swam for an hour on tues, fasted for two days and lost less than a lb. I'm not giving up just yet a loss is a loss.

Im still going currently weigh 183lb, probably lost on average 1lb a month since i started and never felt better, 175lb was my target when i started still is.

It worked fantastic for me last time and I felt really good once I got into it.

Just in case you missed it, it's still available.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01lxyzc/horizon-20122013-3-eat-fast-and-live-longer

Nearly 5 years on and this diet is still going strong!

Last autumn I was 16-7.  I am 6-1 tall.

Followed the 5:2 diet since (apart from one week at Christmas and one week holiday)

Now am 14-8. I have done no more exercise.

I like the fact that you only really have to 'diet' 2 days a week which is bearable.

I diet on Monday and Thursday and have nothing to eat bar dinner at 6-7pm.  I can have 600 calories which is a reasonably big meal
if you use lots of veg or salad.

Also from the alcohol point of view, I can't drink on 2 days which makes me less of an alky.  On the 2 beer free days, I don't miss the beer because
I am so looking forward to dinner.

I don't have the energy on diet days so couldn't imagine doing heavy work on those days, but I sleep much better.

I am 'supposed' to be about 11 stone, but imo my ideal weight would be 13 stone.

back on board

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16 stone

ran(strolled) 2 miles 19:48

15st 10lb


3miles  30:28

My latest weigh in last week was 14 stone 5 - so I have now lost over 2 stone in less than a year.

14 st 8 ib

6 miles 59;10

run fatboy run

still boozing every night