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She was just three at the time. Mr Cameron set up the inquiry — called Operation Grange — a year ago after pleas by the Leicestershire youngster’s parents Kate and Gerry.
It has collated every scrap of information from the Portuguese probe — as well as from UK cops and private investigations.
DCI Redwood tells the BBC in a Panorama interview tonight: “Within that material, the answer could lie.”
Last week Maddie cops investigated a reported sighting of her on Spain’s Costa del Sol.
Lets hope they find her.....
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It has collated every scrap of information from the Portuguese probe — as well as from UK cops and private investigations.
DCI Redwood tells the BBC in a Panorama interview tonight: “Within that material, the answer could lie.”
Last week Maddie cops investigated a reported sighting of her on Spain’s Costa del Sol.
Lets hope they find her.....
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Unfortunately the nipper was disposed of in large bins outside a supermarket very close to the apartment complex.
These bins were emptied that same evening at midnight (as they are every night). The landfill site where the waste goes to was never searched.
These bins were emptied that same evening at midnight (as they are every night). The landfill site where the waste goes to was never searched.
In all probability she is dead, it's time to move on and tax payers money shouldn't be wasted on these wild goose chases, the money could be better used helping children in Britain...
If these two tight fisted coonts hadn't gone out on the lash, or paid for a baby sitter, their daughter wouldn't be missing, presumed dead.
If she is alive, the girl probably has no recollection of who her parents were by now. She is hopefuly happy and well kept, and she should be left like it. If they find her alive it will cause her enormous stress to be taken away from whoever has her.
And as she never went missing in the UK, let the pork 'n' cheese feds deal with it.
If she is alive, the girl probably has no recollection of who her parents were by now. She is hopefuly happy and well kept, and she should be left like it. If they find her alive it will cause her enormous stress to be taken away from whoever has her.
And as she never went missing in the UK, let the pork 'n' cheese feds deal with it.
twomatchpoints 25 Apr 12 14:42
If these two tight fisted coonts hadn't gone out on the lash, or paid for a baby sitter, their daughter wouldn't be missing, presumed dead.
If she is alive, the girl probably has no recollection of who her parents were by now. She is hopefuly happy and well kept, and she should be left like it. If they find her alive it will cause her enormous stress to be taken away from whoever has her.
And as she never went missing in the UK, let the pork 'n' cheese feds deal with it.
or not !!
If these two tight fisted coonts hadn't gone out on the lash, or paid for a baby sitter, their daughter wouldn't be missing, presumed dead.
If she is alive, the girl probably has no recollection of who her parents were by now. She is hopefuly happy and well kept, and she should be left like it. If they find her alive it will cause her enormous stress to be taken away from whoever has her.
And as she never went missing in the UK, let the pork 'n' cheese feds deal with it.
or not !!
and this time next year you just feel the situation will be
exactly the same, no closer to finding her or knowing what happened.
hope she is well kept and happy, but for the parents
leaving those children alone, a terrible mistake that can never be undone.
exactly the same, no closer to finding her or knowing what happened.
hope she is well kept and happy, but for the parents
leaving those children alone, a terrible mistake that can never be undone.
It's not eonugh to term leaving kids alone at night as a 'mistake'
It's the act of a pair of coonts whose social life came first
It's the act of a pair of coonts whose social life came first
McCann and Stephen Lawrence.
Both unbelievable wastes of taxpayers money. Sounds harsh, but I believe I'm right.
Both unbelievable wastes of taxpayers money. Sounds harsh, but I believe I'm right.
I think some of you lose sight of the fact that kidnap and/or murder are criminal offences.
It doesn't matter how long it takes or how much it costs the case iof this missing child should never be closed until the facts are known regarding her disappearance.
It has nothing to do with who her parents are, or are not, the offence was committed against the child...and she is surely protected by the law.
It doesn't matter how long it takes or how much it costs the case iof this missing child should never be closed until the facts are known regarding her disappearance.
It has nothing to do with who her parents are, or are not, the offence was committed against the child...and she is surely protected by the law.
If the McCoonts want to involve the UK police, surely they should be charged with neglect, not a 'mistake', in the first place.
As for finding her, they never found Ben Needham, who had a strawberry birthmark, and has been missing since 1991.
As for finding her, they never found Ben Needham, who had a strawberry birthmark, and has been missing since 1991.
any1 got a link to this show i wouldnt mind watching it. think its a tragic story
.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01h9136/Panorama_Madeleine_The_Last_Hope/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01h9136/Panorama_Madeleine_The_Last_Hope/
just watched that. 1 why did the children get left alone in an apartment? n 2 would madeline not be old enough now to no something wasnt rite in terms of the people who abducted here and her parents? i thinnk something did happen her accidently as the chief police man said. wat do chit chat think?
It doesn't matter what you or the rest of chit chat THINK. All that matters is the facts. Comments like 'why were they left alone' or 'they were too tight to hire a baby-sitter' may be relevant as to how the events took place...but they don't help with the main question of 'Where is Madeleine?'
Ozymandius
25 Apr 12 11:36 Joined: 01 Jul 11 | Topic/replies: 114 | Blogger: Ozymandius's blog
Unfortunately the nipper was disposed of in large bins outside a supermarket very close to the apartment complex.
These bins were emptied that same evening at midnight (as they are every night). The landfill site where the waste goes to was never searched.
Fascinating stuff there.
btw, What did the police say when you told them this, thanks.
25 Apr 12 11:36 Joined: 01 Jul 11 | Topic/replies: 114 | Blogger: Ozymandius's blog
Unfortunately the nipper was disposed of in large bins outside a supermarket very close to the apartment complex.
These bins were emptied that same evening at midnight (as they are every night). The landfill site where the waste goes to was never searched.
Fascinating stuff there.
btw, What did the police say when you told them this, thanks.
Ozymandius:
These bins were emptied that same evening at midnight (as they are every night). The landfill site where the waste goes to was never searched.
liamcol:
Fascinating stuff there.
btw, What did the police say when you told them this, thanks
I have spent time in Luz over the years. This is the commonly accepted as the most likely explanation by the locals.
As regards what could the police say? There wasn't time for them to cancel the bin collection (though if it happened again they would immediately do so) that night and searching the landfill site days later would have been nigh on impossible.
And the Police Chief who initially headed up the investigation before being taken off the case has highlighted this issue. Also highlighted by detectives sent from the UK since.
These bins were emptied that same evening at midnight (as they are every night). The landfill site where the waste goes to was never searched.
liamcol:
Fascinating stuff there.
btw, What did the police say when you told them this, thanks
I have spent time in Luz over the years. This is the commonly accepted as the most likely explanation by the locals.
As regards what could the police say? There wasn't time for them to cancel the bin collection (though if it happened again they would immediately do so) that night and searching the landfill site days later would have been nigh on impossible.
And the Police Chief who initially headed up the investigation before being taken off the case has highlighted this issue. Also highlighted by detectives sent from the UK since.
see when the went for the meal. Who all was left in the room sleeping? was there other peoples children?
I have every sympathy with the girl and some sympathy with the parents. Only some mind you.
The reality is that the police are putting the phone down on reports of crime every day because they don't have the resources to deal with them.
I personally believe the McCanns have taken up enough of our resources now. As tmp says, if she is alive and well, thats the end of it.
The reality is that the police are putting the phone down on reports of crime every day because they don't have the resources to deal with them.
I personally believe the McCanns have taken up enough of our resources now. As tmp says, if she is alive and well, thats the end of it.
The portugese wanted to brush it under the carpet as it might damage tourism. It was similar to that case in South Africa where the newlywed girl got murdered. I don't think it would have been a happy ending for Madeleine...tragic and I hate to think about it.
Bottom line from the prog last night.....
Cameron authorised big budget spend on review
Portugese doing own review in paralell to cover themselves
Nothing new revealed
Panorama bloke remembering last time he was there
Was a flawed investigation which everyone already knows
Kate still looking painfully thin.
Kate and Gerry still managing to keep it in the news.
Madeleine still missing presumed kidnapped or sadly dead.
British tax payer footing the multi million pound bill.
Cameron authorised big budget spend on review
Portugese doing own review in paralell to cover themselves
Nothing new revealed
Panorama bloke remembering last time he was there
Was a flawed investigation which everyone already knows
Kate still looking painfully thin.
Kate and Gerry still managing to keep it in the news.
Madeleine still missing presumed kidnapped or sadly dead.
British tax payer footing the multi million pound bill.
Kate still looking painfully thin
Not considered suicide yet ?
Has already told the Sun she 'couldn't make love to Gerry'
coont
Not considered suicide yet ?
Has already told the Sun she 'couldn't make love to Gerry'
coont
To be fair neither could I....Seems very miserable every time I have ssen him.
The portugese wanted to brush it under the carpet as it might damage tourism.
I assume someone has checked under the carpet??
I assume someone has checked under the carpet??
the revelation from last nights show was that may and cameron had correctly told the mcaans to go swivel,till mr murdoch intervened blew sweet nothings in daves ear then its all hands to the pump
is/was rupert murdoch more important than the p.m. in this country?
kin seems like it
kin seems like it
As tmp says, if she is alive and well, thats the end of it.
That's an extraordinary statement from a lawyer, Sib. Imagine that principle installing itself into a legal system.
My view of PPE graduates is shaken.
Cameron, Hunt, Widdicombe, Alexander, Balls, Milliband, Currie, Mandelson, Hague, Benn ... hopeless timewasters.
The benches beckon
That's an extraordinary statement from a lawyer, Sib. Imagine that principle installing itself into a legal system.
My view of PPE graduates is shaken.
Cameron, Hunt, Widdicombe, Alexander, Balls, Milliband, Currie, Mandelson, Hague, Benn ... hopeless timewasters.
The benches beckon
Its a pretty poor form of advocacy to quote part of passage and hope your opponent won't spot that you missed out the important parts.
I clearly set out that in the context of scarce resources, where many crimes go uninvesitaged, enough resources have now been spent on this case.
Now you may disagree. But believing that quoting the "good part" and ignoring the "bad part" is a clever use of advocacy, well, perhaps standards have risen.
I clearly set out that in the context of scarce resources, where many crimes go uninvesitaged, enough resources have now been spent on this case.
Now you may disagree. But believing that quoting the "good part" and ignoring the "bad part" is a clever use of advocacy, well, perhaps standards have risen.
Its a pretty poor form of advocacy to quote part of passage and hope your opponent won't spot that you missed out the important parts.
I clearly set out that in the context of scarce resources, where many crimes go uninvesitaged, enough resources have now been spent on this case.
Now you may disagree. But believing that quoting the "good part" and ignoring the "bad part" is a clever use of advocacy, well, perhaps standards have risen.
I clearly set out that in the context of scarce resources, where many crimes go uninvesitaged, enough resources have now been spent on this case.
Now you may disagree. But believing that quoting the "good part" and ignoring the "bad part" is a clever use of advocacy, well, perhaps standards have risen.
The list of people who read PPE at Oxford is very interesting. It even includes Rupert Murdoch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notable_people_with_PPE_degrees_from_Oxford
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notable_people_with_PPE_degrees_from_Oxford
Surely if she is alive and well she will come a knocking. She would be aware that she had differences to who her guardians are. She would hit the internet search and find herself. It would be an amazing end to the whole case.
Must agree as they have zero leads there is little point spending money on it
What they meant was no body found. If still alive she will have the mindset of the average child ****. Not good for them. Little problem for her. The horror.
How do you know 'they have zero leads'? Surely, Scotland Yard are looking at the evidence to find the leads that were so obviously missed by the bunglings of the original investigation.
Perhaps chit chat have come to the conclusion that this was the 'perfect crime'. No clues, no motive, no evidence, no witnesses and no body!
Perhaps chit chat have come to the conclusion that this was the 'perfect crime'. No clues, no motive, no evidence, no witnesses and no body!
But what proof is there that she was actually taken? I've read that Madeline woke up the night before and was upset that she couldn't find her parents, it's not beyond the bounds of possiblity that the same thing happened again and she wandered off to try and find them. As to the shutters of the apartment being raised/forced, it could have been a attempted burgulary, it's possible that's what caused her to wake up in the first place. Why on earth would someone attempting to steal a child go to the risk of forcing up metal shutters - surely there are easier ways to enter an apartment?
The stairs from their apartment led directly to a road, she could have wandered into that road and been hit by a car - the driver realises she's dead and panics. They are so many scenarios for what could have happened - why has there always been such a focus on her being abducted? I've always felt that the McCann seized on that as it made someone else the baddy. It's wasn't their fault for leaving their children and so Madeline met her fate, it was someone else's fault who came and took their child away.
Agree with what others have said, as tragic as this is, the money could be better spent elsewhere. Even if she is found, the emotional trauma of being brought back to surrounding and people she'll barely remember would be immense.
I find it very difficult to like either Kate or Gerry, they were arrogant from the off and dismissive of others judgement of how they left three small children alone. Had Madeline been the child of a single mother who nipped out to a bar then Social Services would have been in there like a shot.
Wherever Madeline is I hope she's safe and happy, but it is time to move on.
The stairs from their apartment led directly to a road, she could have wandered into that road and been hit by a car - the driver realises she's dead and panics. They are so many scenarios for what could have happened - why has there always been such a focus on her being abducted? I've always felt that the McCann seized on that as it made someone else the baddy. It's wasn't their fault for leaving their children and so Madeline met her fate, it was someone else's fault who came and took their child away.
Agree with what others have said, as tragic as this is, the money could be better spent elsewhere. Even if she is found, the emotional trauma of being brought back to surrounding and people she'll barely remember would be immense.
I find it very difficult to like either Kate or Gerry, they were arrogant from the off and dismissive of others judgement of how they left three small children alone. Had Madeline been the child of a single mother who nipped out to a bar then Social Services would have been in there like a shot.
Wherever Madeline is I hope she's safe and happy, but it is time to move on.
^^^^ This is the problem with all this theorising...nothing is 'beyond the realms of possibility', even the example given of being struck by a car whilst wandering about.
BUT, and it is a huge but, regardless of whatever scenario one can imagine, there is still the basic fact of a missing child.
Do you have a figure in mind as to exactly how much money should be allocated to each crime? Do you even know how much this case has cost the tax-payer (please don't include any financial costs made voluntarily by the parents or friends)?
Have you asked ALL the tax-payers whether or not they wish this case to be closed?
Are you sure that the emotional scenario of being reunited with her family would be traumatic? Might it not be joyful?
And as for finding it 'difficult to like' the parents...well, that remark just beggars belief!
I think you might also find that the parents would welcome ANY interest shown in this case. Why do you think they fight so hard to pressurise the powers-that-be into NOT allowing this case to simply fade away.
As for 'moving on'...nothing is stopping you from doing just that. Personally, I shall tarry awhile.
BUT, and it is a huge but, regardless of whatever scenario one can imagine, there is still the basic fact of a missing child.
Do you have a figure in mind as to exactly how much money should be allocated to each crime? Do you even know how much this case has cost the tax-payer (please don't include any financial costs made voluntarily by the parents or friends)?
Have you asked ALL the tax-payers whether or not they wish this case to be closed?
Are you sure that the emotional scenario of being reunited with her family would be traumatic? Might it not be joyful?
And as for finding it 'difficult to like' the parents...well, that remark just beggars belief!
I think you might also find that the parents would welcome ANY interest shown in this case. Why do you think they fight so hard to pressurise the powers-that-be into NOT allowing this case to simply fade away.
As for 'moving on'...nothing is stopping you from doing just that. Personally, I shall tarry awhile.
The NSPCC guide to leaving a child alone makes interesting reading. A few relevant passages
• Never leave your baby or young child home alone, not even for a few minutes, regardless
of whether they are sleeping or awake. The risks and dangers are too great.
• If your child is under the age of about 12, they may not
be mature enough to cope with an emergency. They should not be left
alone for more than a very short time. And remember to put all obvious
dangers out of reach before you go,such as medicines, matches and
sharp objects.
It is never OK to leave your baby alone in the house, not even for a few minutes.
What if she wakes up just after you left? For a baby, 15 minutes is a long time to feel
abandoned and left alone to cry. The risks are dangerous too – what if you were delayed
or your baby was sick?”
These are not two sink estate parents but professional people who left two children alone at night. Hearing them refer to their neglect as a "mistake" is one reason the public find these two arrogant.
[i]There’s no legal age limit for leaving a child on their own, but it’s an offence
to do so if it places them at risk. Parents can be prosecuted for neglect
if they leave a child unsupervised “in a manner likely to cause unnecessary
suffering or injury to health”.
(Children and Young Persons Act*)
*Children and Young Persons Act 1933 [England
and Wales], Children and Young Persons
(Scotland) Act 1937 and Children and Young
Persons Act (Northern Ireland) 1968
• Never leave your baby or young child home alone, not even for a few minutes, regardless
of whether they are sleeping or awake. The risks and dangers are too great.
• If your child is under the age of about 12, they may not
be mature enough to cope with an emergency. They should not be left
alone for more than a very short time. And remember to put all obvious
dangers out of reach before you go,such as medicines, matches and
sharp objects.
It is never OK to leave your baby alone in the house, not even for a few minutes.
What if she wakes up just after you left? For a baby, 15 minutes is a long time to feel
abandoned and left alone to cry. The risks are dangerous too – what if you were delayed
or your baby was sick?”
These are not two sink estate parents but professional people who left two children alone at night. Hearing them refer to their neglect as a "mistake" is one reason the public find these two arrogant.
[i]There’s no legal age limit for leaving a child on their own, but it’s an offence
to do so if it places them at risk. Parents can be prosecuted for neglect
if they leave a child unsupervised “in a manner likely to cause unnecessary
suffering or injury to health”.
(Children and Young Persons Act*)
*Children and Young Persons Act 1933 [England
and Wales], Children and Young Persons
(Scotland) Act 1937 and Children and Young
Persons Act (Northern Ireland) 1968
i dont have any kids but my mate has a we girl of simaler age to when madeline was abducted. i no for sure that if she was taken she would no the difference between her parents and the abducters. maddie is 9 she must be aware at this stage .
And as for finding it 'difficult to like' the parents...well, that remark just beggars belief!
Naydam - liking them is not the point. Accepting their incessant appearance on the media as though they were the only difficult story in town is nauseating when they were the authors of their loss.
There are plenty of mothers in Britain whose children have been taken abroad illegally by foreign fathers.
There are thousands of fathers who are denied access to their children by mother's flouting court orders.
Let us concentrate on them.
The chances of Madelaine coming back are so small as to be not worth considering, and her parents were to blame for what hapened. Thats it. The story is over.
Naydam - liking them is not the point. Accepting their incessant appearance on the media as though they were the only difficult story in town is nauseating when they were the authors of their loss.
There are plenty of mothers in Britain whose children have been taken abroad illegally by foreign fathers.
There are thousands of fathers who are denied access to their children by mother's flouting court orders.
Let us concentrate on them.
The chances of Madelaine coming back are so small as to be not worth considering, and her parents were to blame for what hapened. Thats it. The story is over.
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