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03 Mar 12 19:11
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Decided my fitness and weight was getting out of hand so signed up for 3 months.  3 weeks in and I'm still very unfit, how long does it take to attain a reasonable level of fitness? 

I'm working flat out pretty much for 1 hour, then warm down with a 10 minute swim.

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By:
Far From Trouble
When: 03 Mar 12 19:17
Depends on your level of fitness, you probably need longer than 3 weeks!
By:
The Bhoys
When: 03 Mar 12 19:36
ask a few of the wrestling fans they mus work out
By:
GoOnThen
When: 03 Mar 12 19:43
You may be one of the 20% of people to whom physical exercise will make virtually no difference to their fitness levels.It's basically genetic bingo.
By:
HowieTheRookie.
When: 03 Mar 12 20:05
Yeah I saw that.  Just need to know if a few more weeks and I'll start to see some benefits
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 03 Mar 12 20:06
keep of that crap they take if you have no joy
By:
elisjohn
When: 03 Mar 12 20:15
test yourself, say monday go on the bike in gym, say do 30 mins  check your distance, following week do exactly the same see if youre distance increases. i did 3000 meters in 20 mins last week on rower, thursday did 4200 meters in 20 mins. i recall years ago unable to run on treadmill, few months later was running on max speed, but though i carry big weight etc now, i used to be very sporty so might be genetic thing, but stick to it, like i am now. good luck
By:
Van-Wedged
When: 03 Mar 12 20:22
3 months and you will be loving the new you if you keep up the work regularly.

6 months and you will be on top of the world.

2 years and you'll never fall off the wagon.
By:
HowieTheRookie.
When: 03 Mar 12 20:24
I'm not capable of 20 mins on the rower yet Sad
By:
elisjohn
When: 03 Mar 12 20:31
howie, do 5 mins on rower, then next time do 7/8 mins, after that 10 mins , few months youll be doing marathons.Grin, but you have to try and push yourself a bit
By:
getintheir
When: 03 Mar 12 20:46
agree you need to push yourself to get really fit but i would continue very easy and work up slowly. if it starts a painful experience it will get harder to keep going. 

do you get some good energy after a workout?

i have always been naturally quite skinny
By:
getintheir
When: 03 Mar 12 20:53
... and can tend to eat whatever i want and go long periods without exercise. after a couple of months i notice lack of general enthusiasm, tiredness, diminished ability to problem solve and know i need some exercise. after a 20 minute run where i push myself beyond a first level pain barrier plateau enthusiasm levels increase significantly, confidence goes up and small problems are no longer an issue.

I can see how exercise for some becomes addictive!
By:
HowieTheRookie.
When: 03 Mar 12 20:55
Good advice, cheers boys.

I'll try to step it up a bit next week and see if I can start to improve.
By:
Princesse D'Anjou
When: 03 Mar 12 23:07
Did you speak to a personal trainer down there or a member of staff about why you've attended?

People go for different reasons - I started going 13 months ago and thought I'd hate it, having not been since I left University 5 years ago.  I was totally wrong - as long as you find something in there you enjoy doing it's great fun.

The best advice though is you'll get the best results if you combine it with a healthy diet ie. reduced alcohol intake, less crisps, chocolate, sweets etc. (I'd already not drunk for 12 months for a bet with a mate so didn't find the first one at all hard) though some people find the healthy eating thing harder than others.

I only wanted to lose weight but now look and feel better - with both of those being side effects of the weight loss.

PD
By:
geoff m
When: 04 Mar 12 10:15
will probably take 3 months b4 you start to feel real good.
In the early stages you are putting your body thro trauma it aint used to & you will feel kn@ckered/lethargic.
Remember to put in plenty of rest days in the early stages.  You body only improves its fitness during rest & recovery.
Plenty of rest allows you to go "Hard" on work days also put in an easy day of excercise
Working out everyday will not allow you to push your body to its limits
Try 200 squats(google) workout. When you 1st start you will say you aint a prayer of reaching that amount but like anything keep with it & the benefits will come
By:
geoff m
When: 04 Mar 12 10:24
Forgot to add with regards to weight loss.
It aint going to happen just thro increased excercise. You need to manage your diet as well.
The danger is thinking you can treat yourself because youve been to the gym.
The body will crave more calories as you are working out.
You will start to put on muscle which then weighs heavier than fat.
Once up to a reasonable level of fitness try High Intensity Intervals treadmill/rower/cycle/uphill running
Tabeta Intervals 20 secs hard max full on 10 secs rest 8 repeats
4 minutes in total only 2 mins 40 actual "work"
If you find em easy you aint pushing hard enough or in high enough gear
this will give a substantial boost to calorie burning
By:
HowieTheRookie.
When: 04 Mar 12 11:11
Thanks Geoff - it's a bit disconcerting that I weight more now 3 weeks in than I did at the start (13stone 1 to 13s4lb) but i do understand the fat/muscle argument.  I have cut down on alcohol and trying to eat healthier, although I'm now making sure I have a high protein diet too.

Princess - I did get an assessment at the outset but this was mainly showing me how the machines work.  My body fat was measured at 24%
By:
itcanbedone
When: 04 Mar 12 11:14
Diet is 80 to 90% of the key to weight loss.  Exercise the remainder.

Personally, I find the more I exercise, the less I eat.
By:
itcanbedone
When: 04 Mar 12 11:15
Cut the carbs, Howie.
By:
HowieTheRookie.
When: 04 Mar 12 11:22
Any thoughts on using Creatine?  mate recommended this yesterday
By:
flushgordon1
When: 04 Mar 12 11:30
fat people are more jolly .you will end up a miserable bastardSad
By:
elisjohn
When: 04 Mar 12 11:31
no need for that howie at this stage
By:
rogerthebutler
When: 04 Mar 12 11:33
You will start to put on muscle which then weighs heavier than fat.

Rubbish
By:
flushgordon1
When: 04 Mar 12 11:45
muscle is denser than fat and is heavier, rubbish will vary.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 04 Mar 12 12:03
Hey rtb.  Did 6.8k in thirty minutes on rower (max resistance) last week and got your 7.5k in my sights.   and pretty sure I could do seven k if I put my mind to it next week, but to do that extra five hundred metres would be a real struggle.  Did 1.5k in six minutes once and it absolutely killed me, don't know how anyone could keep that up for half an hour.
By:
JOCI Club
When: 04 Mar 12 12:23
Rowing can be tough. At my peak, managed 2,500m in 8 mins 50 secs.
By:
HowieTheRookie.
When: 04 Mar 12 12:24
On my assessment, she told me to aim to do 2,000 in under 9 minutes then step it up as I progress.  I find this a killer and haven't really progressed on the Rower.
By:
elisjohn
When: 04 Mar 12 12:39
i was a semi pro footballer, then had injury aged around 28, then up to 35 did no sport at all balloned up to approx 16st, then started in gym , worked like a trojan and in next 5 years had six pack etc, no steroids, weighted 13 stone was bench pressing 110k, did 2000 on rower in best 6 min 50 secs,  running 100m in 11 secs, and 400m in 49 secs, wasnt very good on long distance. really looked well and fit, but last 5 years been a complete slob and gone up to 20 st, look big but not really terribly fat, but had blood test etc and cholestrol high and seems my kidneys not functioning properly, believe it or not producing to much cretannine. anyway around 12 days ago started again , see thread on obese,
By:
elisjohn
When: 04 Mar 12 12:45
ps, believe it or not i was fitter/ stronger in my late 30s/ early 40s than i was when playing football, but the main thing i noticed by getting older was my recovery rate wasnt as good, as when young i could say run 10 x 100 meters with a couple of mins between each one, then needed much longer   between reps .
By:
HowieTheRookie.
When: 04 Mar 12 17:41
Did 90 minutes in the gym today and 15 mins swimming afterwards.  I did feel better for this longer period, I don;t have the time during the week.  Can anyone advise what the optimum work-out time is needed?

Elis - you sound like a different league to me, I just got unfit by spending too much time on the settee and playing on Betfair.
By:
elisjohn
When: 04 Mar 12 18:19
howie, im over 50 now and now 18 st 11lbs, ive done nothing for last 2/3 years just getting fat on here myself, but now feel better after less than 2 weeks. try and go 2/3 times a week 60 /90 mins plenty enough, but in between try and walk a bit more etc,
By:
rogerthebutler
When: 05 Mar 12 11:21
I've got the British Indoor Rowing Championships coming up on 25th March

I'm now well into developing the 'power' element of the performance, which basically boils down to sessions like 4 x 1,000m at just under race pace, 10 x 1 min @ maximum power, 3 x 6 min @ just under race pace etc.

Been on those since the start of February, after doing 4 months of more endurance-orientated sessions (got up to 7,800m in 30 minutes). According to rowing daughters, I should now be easing down ('tapering') but there'll be 'tapering' the like of which you never did see next week when I'm down in Cheltenham!
By:
rogerthebutler
When: 05 Mar 12 11:23
flushgordon1 Joined: 25 Jun 11
Replies: 2435 04 Mar 12 11:45   


muscle is denser than fat and is heavier, rubbish will vary.


A pound of fat is the same weight as a pound of muscle is the same weight as a pound of feathers.

Density is weight over volume and is something completely different.
By:
elisjohn
When: 05 Mar 12 11:29
whats the distance that you row in the champs, i was around 43 when i did the 2000 mts in 6 min 50, iwas the 2nd best in the town, a young lad did a 6 min 47, but few weeks later a lad came to work in the gym , his speciallity was rowing, i only did it as part of exercise, but he was a sub 6 min for 2000 m , i was gobsmacked.  but id have hammered him in all other thingsGrin.
By:
rogerthebutler
When: 05 Mar 12 11:42
Hi

2k

The Championships are broken down into various age bands and then further by heavyweight and lightweight. Even allowing for all these various sub-competitions it's pretty competitive. I've been to the last two and am just aiming for a personal best.

Hats off to anyone doing under 7 minutes - one day brother, one day! Grin
By:
rogerthebutler
When: 05 Mar 12 11:45
BTW sub-6 minutes for 2k puts him borderline British Senior Mens rowing squad level.

Obviously it depends on how well he could shift a boat on the water but from an ergo perspective, he had the power required to be considered at International level.
By:
elisjohn
When: 05 Mar 12 11:50
yes he was very good, yes i tell everyone that if you can do a sub 7 mins youre really fit, i now reckon id do 2000 in i think just under 9 minsmins, but over 50 and 18 st 8lbs Happy this morning , coming off slowly
By:
elisjohn
When: 05 Mar 12 11:51
whats your best 2000 time rog.
By:
rogerthebutler
When: 05 Mar 12 11:52
7:18.5
By:
elisjohn
When: 05 Mar 12 13:15
do you know what the best times would be in the champs for 50 age group , 18 st/ 19 st fat not muscleGrin
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