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Dead heat at what distance?

725m for me.

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By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 23 Feb 12 23:39
Much less for me. Certainly not over 600 metres.
By:
HansUlrichApfelStrudel
When: 24 Feb 12 08:16
Would be close over 10cm too.
By:
short_4rse
When: 24 Feb 12 09:20
Mohammed Farah probably has 10cm and Mr Bolt has 8inches more.
By:
GranpaChook.
When: 24 Feb 12 12:12
Farah could probably run about 1:46 for 800 where's Bolt would have no chance at that.  Obviously at 400m it's Bolt's but sprinters really are useless at over distance where's elite distances runners can sprint pretty damn well considering.  Bolt would be done by 600 at best imo.  I reckon 550m would be where they're level.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 24 Feb 12 20:18
farah did the last lap of the 10000m at the world champs in 53s - and came second. 

What do you reckon they could both do 400m in?  MF=48, UB=46??
By:
rob_dylan
When: 24 Feb 12 20:22
in 1996, Donovan Bailey won the 100m and JOhnson the 200m.  They had a big 150m race soon after. Bailey won because I think MJ pulled up (when it looked like he was gonna lose apparently).  There was talk of Bolt taking on Bekele over 600m after beijing but it never happened.  I suppose the purists wouldn't like it but straight after the olympics, with a whole year to go before their next big championship why not?  they'd both've made loads of money, and would be a good way of getting the sport out there and perhaps increase its popularity in one go - I'd defo be interested in watching it.
By:
V4 Vendetta
When: 24 Feb 12 20:47
Where would John Virgo figure in that race?
By:
Crisp77
When: 24 Feb 12 20:50
I'll agree with Rob on this thread Grin

They should have loads of match races over all sorts of distances. TV viewing figures would be excellent.
By:
V4 Vendetta
When: 24 Feb 12 20:52
I wonder whether he'll do 9.4 in London?
By:
rob_dylan
When: 24 Feb 12 20:52
seriously, if they raced over 550m I wonder where JV would have to start to make it 2/1 the field?  Ath 30m mark.  reckon theyd do 550m in 70s?  could JV run 275m in 70s.  reckon he could so he'll have to start at the 250m mark - 300m in 70s would be a fair race.  get it on - if you don't do it sky will.
By:
V4 Vendetta
When: 24 Feb 12 20:53
perFECT.
By:
donny osmond
When: 24 Feb 12 23:07
bolt has done 45 sec for 400m





if bolt raced farah over 800m , bolt could pace himself off farah
and i reckon would beat him,

an 800 time trial, and i'd back farah




i saw brendan foster race geoff capes over 200m
By:
a bitofinterest
When: 24 Feb 12 23:13
geoff was handicapped out of that due to carrying 12 budgerigars
By:
rob_dylan
When: 24 Feb 12 23:14
Well i don't really know tbh, that's why i think it'd be great fun to have a race like this.  imo.  in fact i'd love to see usain have a go at th 400m or long jump or something - no idea how hard it'd be to do.
By:
bongo
When: 25 Feb 12 00:06
The last 80m of a 400 m is a real man-killer.
I'd love to see the contest start with a haggle - I could see you at 800, well I could do ye over 200, 700 then, 300 I'd still be laughing, 600 you wouldn't finish, 400 easy for me, 500 then, deal.
Heck, get Noel Edmonds to supervise the negotiations, then outside to the track for the action. I agree with MB - it'd be a good contest.
By:
GranpaChook.
When: 25 Feb 12 08:12
Bolt could NEVER hang with Farah for an 800.  Even if he just tucked in behind him and let Farah lead him round.  It would be a jog for 400 but the wheels would come off very quickly between 450-500 at the pace Farah would be running.  Sprinters muscles are fast-twitch which means they can generate huge amounts of force for a very short time, they're hopeless when it comes to a sustained effort.  Bolt says even the 400m is too far for him and that he hates it, another lap and he'd be crying!

The talk of Bolt vs Bekele after the last Olympics was a great idea I thought.  The media would say Bolt would walk it but I think if it was a 600 Bekele would take it, despite being a 10000m runner he can still run 400m in 49 seconds which isn't exactly slow.  It would be a good idea for promoting the sport though and a nice pay day for those involved!
By:
donny osmond
When: 25 Feb 12 11:19
its a bit like a horse in the derby

the trainer says afterwards, it didnt stay

well it wont stay if it hasnt been trained to run
the distance

bolts training is to maintain his fast twich mussels

if he wanted to run 800 and trained for it he would easily see off farah, but  he'd never break an 100m record again
By:
annie.
When: 25 Feb 12 16:05
I have never been an usain bolt fan, but that changed after seeing his adverts for virgin and jamaica.  I have even caught myself rewinding the adverts, just to see him smile.  I do not fancy him but I love his sense of humour and smile.  Men take note Happy

I would love to see him run against a fit bekele, not farah.  I think farah has not proved he is better than bekele.  He has just taken advantage of the fact that bekele was not competing due to injury.  He also ducked a meeting with him, instead running in a mickey mouse competition instead.

I would also love to see him run hurdles, maybe against dai greene?
By:
rob_dylan
When: 25 Feb 12 16:07
110m hurdles v dai greene could be fun
By:
GranpaChook.
When: 25 Feb 12 18:06
That's not really true Donny.  You can't really change your muscle fibre type, no matter what training you do.  Bolt could run 150 miles a week but he'd still be terrible at anything over 800m.  If he focussed on the 800 he might run a decent time but he'd never be world class at it.  Elite distance runners are much better sprinters than sprinters are distance runners.
By:
Gin
When: 25 Feb 12 18:15
Where's Clydebank when you need him?Cool
By:
geoff m
When: 25 Feb 12 18:47
also throws up Hoy V Cavendish @ what distance would they be equals?
Think Hoy would certainly have the edge up to around 2 miles?
Again & even more so dependent on whether race or time trial as race conditions Hoy could certainly last far longer with drafting & still have the edge.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 25 Feb 12 18:50
How about the England rugby team v England football team in a game of cricket, or sumo wrestling tennis players
By:
MeatIsMurder
When: 25 Feb 12 21:17
Cavendish would destroy Hoy in a straight line sprint imo his top speed has been recorded at 78kmph on a flat road, Hoy wouldn't get anywhere near that
By:
rob_dylan
When: 25 Feb 12 21:31
Yes but the question is, up to what distance m o m.  Though I am a little confused that Geoff thinks hoy would win up to two miles
By:
MeatIsMurder
When: 25 Feb 12 21:59
Distance is irrelevant in a race IMO because Cav could just sit on his wheel until the final 250m and ride well away.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 25 Feb 12 23:17
But he has a whole team to help him in tdf, would it work the same in a one on one?  Also depends on whether it is on the road or in the velodrome.
By:
Monkey Boy:The Directors Cut
When: 25 Feb 12 23:27
Like that question. Can someone tweet Cav and ask hm?
By:
ilikewavingatbuses
When: 26 Feb 12 01:30
a great question



my guess would be 621m
By:
bongo
When: 26 Feb 12 01:34
England football team vs Kenyan team at football.
Naturally over 90 minutes England would win
But make it a 9 hour match the Kenyans would win
So there would be a duration point somewhere around 4-5 hrs ( guessing ) where it eould be a 50:50 contest. You couldn't set it up though due to costs.
By:
Monkey Boy:The Directors Cut
When: 26 Feb 12 09:11
How about changing the length of a cricket wicket to where you personally would average 100 in test cricket.

About 35 yards for me.
By:
geoff m
When: 26 Feb 12 11:03
Mom you say distaqnce is irellevant.
Cav could sit on Hoys wheel till last 250m wouldnt work to well if it was a 200 m sprint.
Hoy would annihalate Cavendish in a short pure speed sprint.
By:
geoff m
When: 26 Feb 12 11:16
Hoy, who is vying with world champion and compatriot Jason Kenny for the sole sprint slot allocated to each nation at the Games, beat Germany’s Maximilian Levy 2-0 in the final of this Olympic test event.

It came a day after he hit a top speed of 78 kmh (48.5 mph) on his way to victory in the keirin and gave Hoy a confidence boost ahead of the April 4-8 world championships in Melbourne where their sprint selection battle will be decided.
By:
MeatIsMurder
When: 26 Feb 12 11:19
On a straight track with a rolling start Cav wins everytime.
A velodrome would obviously be to Hoy's advantage.
Track cycling max speed is based on time spread over a 200m distance (which is how the sprinters qualify)
The world record holder is Kevin Sireau in 9.572 seconds which equates to an average speed of 46.7kph, added in the boost track riders get from banking down the track before they start their flying lap(s) and it is clear that Cav's top sprinting speed clocked at 49kpm would be far too good for them out on the road
By:
MeatIsMurder
When: 26 Feb 12 11:21
Link Geoff?
By:
bongo
When: 26 Feb 12 11:32
Cav often beats 180+ others, almost all on pro contracts.
Hoy doesn't beat 180 other riders in a year, and most of them are either amateurs or on state contracts ( so not proper professionals imv ). That and the fact Hoy chickened out of the race that was offered him at the end of the Bran Flakes advert knowing he would get beat outdoors, clinches it for Cav for me. Hoy is very much a specialist.
By:
geoff m
When: 26 Feb 12 14:35
Cavendish is an endurance rider with a sprint.
Hoy is a pure sprinter all fast twitch fibres
Its irelevant how many riders 180 + Cav beats as 95% of em just dont have the attributes to win a sprint finish hes outspeeding a bunch of endurance riders.
By:
geoff m
When: 26 Feb 12 14:41
Bongo
20 Aug 2008 – ... the only member of the 14-strong squad to leave the Laoshan velodrome without a medal was Mark Cavendish

So much for being a "pro"
By:
geoff m
When: 26 Feb 12 15:03
Hoy, Cavendish and Wiggins: who's got the power?

Everything in cycling comes down to the watts that a rider generates with every turn of their wheels. Watts provide the most accurate gauge of how hard you are working; heart rate fluctuates and so does speed. The intensity of effort needed to climb a hill remains the same no matter how fast you ride.

'If you put Chris Hoy in the position that Mark Cavendish is in at the end of a race, Chris would beat him every time,' says Dr David Bailey, a physiologist for British Cycling. 'But if you asked Chris to cycle for four hours beforehand there is no way he would be there.
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