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Six of Clubs
10 Feb 12 09:19
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Have just signed up with our company pension scheme. I'm paid each month on the 27th, but my pension contribution is not paid into my fund until the middle of next month. There is a govt rule that says a pension contribution has to be paid within 19 days from the month in which it was deducted.

Question - those of you who have a pension scheme through your employer - how long do deductions take from your pay to get into your pension fund?

I think this would have a very visible impact over 25/30 years of contributions, losing 3/4 weeks of interest for every single payment.
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Report naydam February 10, 2012 9:41 AM GMT
Doesn't that work out at about 19 days?
Report Six of Clubs February 10, 2012 9:50 AM GMT
yes but my point is, why does it take so long? In this day and age, surely the money could be paid from my salary direct to the pension fund. I don't get why it needs to sit in another bank account for 3 weeks before its paid into my pension. I am losing that interest and someone else is benefitting from it.
Report Ken Masters February 10, 2012 9:56 AM GMT
"yes but my point is, why does it take so long?
....
I am losing that interest and someone else is benefitting from it.
"

"Someone else" has to eat, don't they?
Report Dr Crippen February 10, 2012 10:30 AM GMT
All of the financial services industry, all their employees and financial advisers, all their glossy brochures and advertisements, all their immaculate buildings are all paid for out of the charges and fiddles they extract from the investor.

We pay for the lot, and all they do is shuffle our money around.
They’re just a pack of overcharging thieves.
Report scissors February 10, 2012 11:01 AM GMT
have you addressed the situation with your lazy rsed wages dept ?
Report lmfao February 10, 2012 12:19 PM GMT
Go knock yourself out- its well worth chasing imo.


And whilst your at it

make sure your salary is always paid exactly on time and not 3 or 4 days early every month.
Report lmfao February 10, 2012 12:25 PM GMT
calculate your final pension fund value at retirement x 3 weeks interest- multiply by 5% - then allow for 25/30 years inflation- and the delay is costing you a good quality lollipop per month.

oh - btw

unless things have changed in the few years in which i left administering a company pension scheme:

the 19 days are taken by your company to do the admin/ checks each month to ensure accuracy for the entire payroll/make the payment ; we used the Pru and the day monies were paid over and funds cleared- they applied interest.
Report 1st time poster February 10, 2012 6:42 PM GMT
shouldnt you be happy your pension is losing money 3 weeks slower than the rest of us, Sad
Report Aspro February 10, 2012 7:39 PM GMT
if it is a unit-linked scheme you could actually benefit from this, especially if the unit value is lower
Report 28dogs February 11, 2012 10:43 AM GMT
You are right that, in this day and age, the process should be quicker.  Some investment managers and scheme administrators have signed up to "straight through processing" (which basically means real time trading rather than putting in a request to buy, waiting for the transaction, then waiting for the contract note, then updating records etc etc.) but not all.  Until they do, nothing will change.

The other problem is that the stautory requirement of 19 days after the month is too lax.  But, whilst the managers are meeting that timescale they are doing nothing wrong.

Ours are generally credited in the first couple of working days in the next month but the onus is on your HR/Pensions team to manage the providers to more aggressive timescales.

By the way, Aspro is also right - early investment doesn't mean it would work in your favour!
Report JOCI Club February 11, 2012 5:59 PM GMT
Can't help - non-contributory pension here.
Report very-valuable February 12, 2012 10:27 AM GMT
i never been a great believer of the pension system.
Investments for your old age income yes,pension pyramid scheme no!
I remember a few years ago a mate of mine was in serious financial difficulties and he confided in me for some help.I saw that each month he was paying hundreds of pounds into a pension pot. I said you cant afford to keep doing this and his reply was i cant afford not too.
The cost of his debt was out stripping any return on investment he was going to get out of his pension.
Whats the situation today ?
His wife left him and he died last year before he was 50!
Theres a moral in this story
Report Dr Crippen February 12, 2012 10:48 AM GMT
The charges on these private pensions are daylight robbery.

When someone takes the open market option for their annuity for instance, the financial adviser who does the paperwork gets commission from the company based on 1% of the pot.

That’s a grand for a few hours work on a £100,000 transfer.

That has to result in a smaller pension for the pensioner, it’s nothing less than theft.
Report Aspro February 12, 2012 11:07 AM GMT
When someone takes the open market option for their annuity for instance, the financial adviser who does the paperwork gets commission from the company based on 1% of the pot

...and the rest!
Report Crisp77 February 12, 2012 11:40 AM GMT
Surely that's retiring snooker players only
Report Mc Moonbeam February 12, 2012 2:20 PM GMT
I won't have a pension .. only a slight government one

but if i owned property is that means tested and decreases any small pension i might get ?

Not really bothered .. i'd rather sell drugs when i'm 67 .. just wondered Happy
Report Aspro February 12, 2012 3:10 PM GMT
Not at all Mc M. What you've earned will remain yours although keep in mind that this is based on current rules
Report Mc Moonbeam February 12, 2012 3:27 PM GMT
Thanks Aspro ... even if i owned a few buy to lets i'd still get my government pension then .. that's cool

Probably won't matter to me though as i hope to move abroad to retire
Report Aspro February 12, 2012 3:31 PM GMT
You'll still get your pension :)
Report Mc Moonbeam February 12, 2012 3:34 PM GMT
Cool .. i'll pay th £90 i owe then Laugh
Report Aspro February 12, 2012 3:36 PM GMT
any income earned from buy-to-lets will be classed as earned income and taxed accordingly. Keep that in mind.
Report Mc Moonbeam February 12, 2012 3:38 PM GMT
yeah but i don't work ....
Report Aspro February 12, 2012 3:41 PM GMT
Doesn't matter; your state pension, added to BTL income and any other taxable income could still put you into the taxed bracket
Report Mc Moonbeam February 12, 2012 3:42 PM GMT
I know thanks for the point though aspro

I guess my tax free allowance would be used up first ?

If i was over that allowance i'd consider myself rich anyway Happy
Report Mc Moonbeam February 12, 2012 3:43 PM GMT
so will only ever pay tax when i'm rich
Report Aspro February 12, 2012 3:44 PM GMT
Indeed it would and it'll be even higher once you turn 65
Report Mc Moonbeam February 12, 2012 3:50 PM GMT
the rentals or the allowance Wink
Report Aspro February 12, 2012 3:51 PM GMT
The Bills! Laugh
Report Mc Moonbeam February 12, 2012 3:58 PM GMT
Laugh

I like you aspro .. are you an accountant or a financial adviser ?

I guess i'm on the right track though .. if i have to pay tax i'll be doing ok ... and then i'm off to thailand Cool
Report Aspro February 12, 2012 4:33 PM GMT
financial adviser; usually I charge but I felt sorry for you Laugh
Report Mc Moonbeam February 12, 2012 4:48 PM GMT
that's what they all say Blush
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