Is Noel Gallagher the greatest songwriter that ever lived?

the noel in hearsay woz bettor

noel chance would be better imo

he's behind the noelan sisters

the noel in Brown Sauce woz bettor

no

There is no correct answer, but imo no. He has written some classics but will they stand the test of time? how long is the test of time ?

anyway for what its worth here are my top 3 writers

Bernie Taupin
Lennon McCartney (counting this as one)
Elvis Costello

If Lennon and McCartney count as one, surely Bernie Taupin counts as half, doesn't he?

Over the next few months we will be told it was Amy Winehouse

Taupin's a lyricist rather than a songwriter isn't he?

elvis cstello

yes BM in the correct sense
i went for lyricist

Is Noel Gallagher the greatest songwriter that ever lived?


Have to smile, you know it cannot really be a question.

elvis costello is absolute shlte

def no

in your opinion facts

Normally Morrissey's name gets banded around these type of threads

A shame the coont can't sing though

Morrissey is the correct answer

It's them sisters that wrote "Happy Birthday" innit?

I can even play it on a piano ... all together now ... plonky, plonk, plonk,     plonk, plonk,
And so on.

Paul Simon

Ray Davis wrote some crackers and probably the best UK has produced.

The top 100 would all be American, probably the top 1000.

Ray Davies was much better than Ray Davis.

Let's see your list LFC...

jimmy webb
tilbrook/difford
van morrison
bobby dylan

not forgetting bacharach/david

Let me give one small example Mikael

Willie Nelsons, You were always on my mind...this one song is greater that anything written by the Beatles in their entire career. And there are incredibly hundreds of American songsas good as, or maybe almost as good.
It is a kind of miracle how many beautuful songs US artists have written.

There is something deeper, more honest and true about the American songwriter.There are many very talented Britisg artists, some even great...but they seem to be playing a game and lack that truth.

Carole King gotta be high up on The list

Willie Nelson didn't write You Were Always On My Mind. It's no Octopus's Garden either.

shane macgowan tom waits steve earle and townes van zandt all brilliant songwriters for me.

Matt Johnson.

1. morrissey
2. billy ocean

Some shocking suggestions on this thread. Morrissey FFS!

I tend to agree that most of the pop/rock/folk/country/soul/rhythm and blues songwriters were American or Canadian ( Cohen,Young Mitchell )
The GB ones are surely Lennon/Macartney,Ray Davies and Richard Thompson.

lfc1971   
28 Oct 15 20:21 
Willie Nelsons, You were always on my mind...

That was Neil Tennant you tw@t.

"Always on My Mind" is an American country music song by Johnny Christopher, Mark James and Wayne Carson

Noel Gallagher would praise numerous bands like the smiths,nirvana,manic street preacgers,stone roses has good taste in music he went up in my estimations when he mentioned these bands as I can't abide oasis...

Its  Paul Weller surely

Kate Bush

Nice to see a 'thread rescue' by the coach...... Benny Hill a shokin omishun.

HAL DAVID - best lyrics - burt bacharach would've bombed without Hal.

you have all the time in the world.

Brown/Squire for the Roses

Take some LSD and let the games begin

Even the really older punkier stuff is good , garage flower and such

youube is a godsend for stone roses fans and all others ofcourse but its played nowhere else really

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There is no correct answer, but imo no. He has written some classics but will they stand the test of time? how long is the test of time ?

anyway for what its worth here are my top 3 writers

Bernie Taupin
Lennon McCartney (counting this as one)
Elvis Costello


Not sure how long the test of time is , but Stone Roses songs still sound up to date and ahead of the p1sh today lol

Noels Oasis songs will last but his NGHFB will be forgotten bar a few

Oasis actually have a lot betetr songs than the ones they actually released on singles

b sides and unreleased are class , if interested ill show ya links

Have you people never heard of Gershwin,Irving Berlin etc.,or do you just live in the world of pop **** ?

*sh ite

Pop is full of americans is it not and djs now pretending to mix cds

Calvin Harris and Rhianna that sort of music

Holland Dozier Holland.  Remember reading the labels of so many Tamala Mowtown records in the 60/70's with those names.

I made a quick but big list THEN went through and crossed out all those that had been mentioned - Crossing out Tom Waits and Richard Thompson was particularly hard.  Here is who was left...

Chuck Berry
Smokey Robinson
Robert Johnson
Woodie Guthrie
Willie Dixon
Buddy Holly
Jim Webb
Nick Drake

and finally and by no means least, the best imo that most people have never heard of - Ellie Greenwich (and Jeff Barry)

Whats happened to Jake Bugg

The greatest songwriter to ever live is one Stephen Patrick Morrissey.

Roger - two comments

Your view may be a product of your relative youth.
Time is a great determinant of greatness

Obviously there is only one great songwriter... Simon Garfunkel guy is a legend ;)

youth?
I'm in my 40's...

He writes childish chyte and is declared a genius for doing so. Who? The bag of mince (that'll hurt him ) that is Morrissey.

Morrissey has an amazing volume of amazing work

are you serious Akabula

I was thinking the same about your post ddma.

Sorry chaps - it is Puccini.  Whole fr!gging operas of them.  Some argue it is Verdi.

Gilbert and Sullivan
Billy Bragg
John Otway

akabula laughable sh8te you write..

Morrissey is a truly great lyricist.

How can anyone not admire this:
=====================================

I was happy in the haze of a drunken hour
But heaven knows I'm miserable now

I was looking for a job, and then I found a job
And heaven knows I'm miserable now

In my life
Why do I give valuable time
To people who don't care if I live or die?

Two lovers entwined pass me by
And heaven knows I'm miserable now

I was looking for a job, and then I found a job
And heaven knows I'm miserable now

In my life
Oh, why do I give valuable time
To people who don't care if I live or die?

What she asked of me at the end of the day
Caligula would have blushed

"Oh, you've been in the house too long" she said
And I naturally fled

In my life
Why do I smile
At people who I'd much rather kick in the eye?

I was happy in the haze of a drunken hour
But heaven knows I'm miserable now

"Oh, you've been in the house too long" she said
And I naturally fled

In my life
Oh, why do I give valuable time
To people who don't care if I live or die?

Songwriters
MORRISSEY, STEVEN PATRICK/MARR, JOHNNY

How can anyone not admire this:

Is the answer

'Someone who doesn't like a load of wimpy, half-ar$ed, whiny, navel-gazing, 'ah! poor sensitive me' load of fking boring old w@nk'?

Great song writer although without jonny marr with those great melodies and riffs wouldn't have existed the siongs were unique but the sound was new and fresh provided by marr at the time...

Roger it's all tongue in cheek comedy....

PUCCINI, VERDI , BIZET.    That's it I win.  End of topic.

Or, ME -  sick, sad, old bore. Out of date and out of here !!!  hahahahah

Roger De Bris
     30 Oct 15 17:35   

Roger it's all tongue in cheek comedy....

Which is why it's w@nk


It’s a problem the English have.

The English are terrified of naked emotion.

“They find naked emotion embarrassing so they like their art covered with knowingness, irony, camp humour - anything but doing it like you actually mean it....until it hurts, like it takes to make art that's in any way compelling.

But no, just smother it in sequins and introversion and watch the fey, angsty posers come running.

How dare you describe me roger.  Consider yourself BUTLERED!!!

but.... Pavarotti and Nessan Dorma is the tear jerker for me. Some of his old recordings - he holds the notes so well.
Some don't get opera then one day - bang it hits you.
You have to have a heart of stone not to be affected by La Boheme - try the  O soave fanciulla duet!!!

Some pop, rock (deep purple) etc etc is rather good, but they are up against soloists, a chorus and orchestra in a performance.
But then so have deep purple done this!! and a few others.(with orchestra)
Queen another good outfit.
and of course mcartney/lennon

Geshwyn natuarally

Gorecki a more modern 'song writer' brilliant.

Derek Doyle    (derek who!!??) more a composer than a song writer as such. Check out what he is behind musically

I have drifted and realise this is more about modern pop/ rock etc than other genres although it shouldn't be.

So you never went desperately looking for work Roger, and after you got the job were depressed?

It's something everybody has felt before but nobody has ever said quite as well as the man.

Doesn't sound like tongue in cheek comedy much.

Sounds like a boring self-obsessed little twerp that needs some fresh air, Vitamin C and press ups!

Well done to roger for over analyzing things and coming up with a load of bollox

A very pleasing fred.

crags
     31 Oct 15 14:53   

Well done to roger for over analyzing things and coming up with a load of bollox Grin

Yeah - I mean it's only 'the greatest songwriter that ever lived' we're discussing after all

Oct 30, 2015 -- 4:36PM, rogerthebutler wrote:

How can anyone not admire this:Is the answer 'Someone who doesn't like a load of wimpy, half-ar$ed, whiny, navel-gazing, 'ah! poor sensitive me' load of fking boring old w@nk'?

Impossible to disagree with you on this one roger, not many songs get on my nerves but that load of old phish really grates.

Roger De Bris  • October 30, 2015 7:55 PM GMT 
So you never went desperately looking for work Roger, and after you got the job were depressed?
It's something everybody has felt before but nobody has ever said quite as well as the man.

Easily pleased sprigs to mind.
and weren't you promoting some average irish singer recently?

aka, that's the great thing about music, if we all liked the same stuff writers would probably be redundant???.

I was just replying in kind to RdeBris earlier catty comment.
Doesn't help that I don't like Morrissey. Always found him too full of himself.
I prefer a grittier type singer like yer man Finbar. Different genre but still different class.

akabula you demonstrated what you know about music previously.
You said you never heard of Damien Dempsey, but you were a huge fan of The Dubliners.....
Damien Dempsey had been playing with them for years sunshine.
Go have a read of Damien's Wikipaedia page, you might learn something about his talents.
You were saying before you didn't rate Damien's work either....
Another great piece of judgement from you...go read about all the singer/songwriters that rave about Damien's work.
It's also laughable that you don't rate Morrissey as a songwriter which is the title of this thread. The bloke is widely regarded as one of the greatest songwriters of our generation.
And that average Irish singer you talked about, shows how much you pay attention...he is a singer/songwriter, writes all his own songs.
David Keenan his name is and he's just turned 22. He will be embarking on a tour in November with Damien Dempsey...and he has yet to release his debut album. But I have seen him live many times, and I can tell you he is one of Ireland's greatest singer/songwriters of all-time.
His song "The Friary" is a classic by the way, as is "Matchbox", "Ramblin" and "El Paso"...
And when I talk about music you should do yourself a favour and listen...

Yes I did say I was a big fan of the Dubs but only up and until Ronnie bowed out.
neither Paddy nor Patsy could fill his shoes and they were never the same.
The last time I viewed them, and it was online, Patsy a d Gerry O'Connor were in the line up and they were accompanying Imelda May.
As regards DD he may have joined them onstage but he was ever a member.
BTW I never attacked his writing skills merely his singing style which I don't like.
As regards DK I find him totally boring.
As regards your last remark well that's just laughable. If you like it then so should everybody is what I took out of that.

Nope Mark Hollis, Damon Albarn etc...

He's OK, I thought Parklife was a cracking album.

That's just the well know one, Modern Life Is Rubbish from 1993 is a masterpiece and still going strong, great Blur album this year and Gorillaz early next year which he makes...two multi millon selling bands on the go.

Complete waste of time these threads as everyone posts their fav artists. I'm going to do the exact same and mention Freddie for Bohemian Rapsody.
Most posters on here didn't rate it so it falls on deaf ears.Still a masterpiece though.

And another  George Gershwin.

Everyone thus far to post hates Noel Gallagher but the sales of albums, singles and concert tickets will paint a completely different picture. Everyone can have their opinion but surely even if you hate him and his music, people must realise that he just isn't for them but the mass do think he is a good songwriter.

On a personal level I think Morrissey was absolutely Pony. I think Albarn is a very clever guy and he has created many well written songs, on several different levels. I never give it a great deal of time and thought for who writes the songs just what I enjoy tapping my foot to

And who's Gallagher's hero??? F*cking Morrissey.......in awe of being allowed into his circle for a pint he was.....

Sales of albums & singles mean jacks*it to the music boffins....you'll be telling us Ed Sheeran has sold a lot of singles next.......

As the man below said these are pointless threads because everyone has their favourites, but one thing that will help you appreciate singer/songwriting a bit more is to have wriiten your own songs for many years from scratch on a guitar, piano whatever.....and compare them to other songs....a good exercise would be to write down the lyrics of other songs and analyse them.....

And Noel Gallagher would laugh if somebody told him he was a better singer/songwriter than Morrissey..

surely leonard cohen desrves a mention? hallelujah, lover, lover, lover and so long, marianne three of my all time favourites.

so are you saying ed sheeran is a poor songwriter because you don't like his songs? because again the people of today buy his signles, concert tickets like they are going out of fashion and that is simply because the love the music he writes (whether I agree or disagree is irrelevant)

and again... Morrisseys Lyrics are bang average IMO.... its a game of opinions

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    03 Nov 15 14:09   

And who's Gallagher's hero??? F*cking Morrissey.......in awe of being allowed into his circle for a pint he was.....

This is balls.

Noel Gallagher has done a (IMO superior than the original) cover of 'There Is A  Light.....' but Lennon and McCartney and Paul Weller are greater influences and 'heroes', acknowledged sundry times by the man himself

Surprised nobody has mentioned Billy Joel

Its not a question of opinions. A  work of art is great and is independent of taste and an individuals ability to recognize that greatness. If someone doesn't recognize that The Smiths and Morrissey produced great music then the fault is with them and not the music...
the lines "two lovers entwined pass me by, and heaven knows I`m miserable now" are enough if you understand.

Noel Gallagher on Morrissey "The most literate man to ever write music".....it's all there on Youtube under "Noel Gallagher on The Smiths" for the butlers of the world....

Have you seen these Ed Sheeran fans? Kiddies with their f******* parents......and which artist said in an interview "kids don't know s**t from clay"....yes....NOEL GALLAGHER...

I enjoyed the banter lads but I must get back to work so I'll leave you with a verse from one of the greats:

"Well I'm leaving, I must be going. I'm flying, I'm flowing to a land beyond these laws.
Make my way up a slip road, the trees lose their leaves, they are weeping for my cause.
Yes, from town to town, my feet will scrape the ground, I'm gonna sample all your wares.
Coast to coast, as the cities boast, I'll trade my stories with your stares."