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*****Yeates Murder Case***** (Wed 5th Jan 2010)
*****Yeates Murder Case***** (Wed 5th Jan 2010)
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breaking news at last from the boys in blue
- she didn't eat the pizza. |
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acts 18 Jan 11 11:44
The Daily Mail piece by Liz Jones is beyond belief! You've obviously never read her column in The Mail on Sunday Compared to that, it's quite lucid. |
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Love the bit about throwing 30p and a plastic token into the toll bridge machine and sitting there while a queue of cars waited patiently behind! What a silly woman!
It's Friday night and I’m in the Ram bar on Park Street in Bristol. Is lovely Jo becoming just another thumbnail on the police website? By Liz Jones Last updated at 1:50 PM on 17th January 2011 This is where Joanna Yeates spent her last evening before she set off up the hill, past all the twinkly shops and bars (a Habitat, a Space NK beauty emporium; Bristol is nothing if not upwardly mobile) towards her death. The bar is OK but ordinary. The wine list, chalked on a board, says ‘Lauren Perrier’. I wish she had spent what were probably her last hours on earth somewhere lovelier. The food is awful (I ask for a veggie burger and it comes without the burger – and without the bun!) but the young women behind the bar are sweet with huge, wary eyes. Alex is working her way through uni, where she is studying English. She comes from London and her parents are now terrified something is going to happen to her She was working in the bar on the night of December 17, when Joanna was having a drink before heading home. ‘I don’t remember her,’ she says. ‘It was so busy that night. I used to walk home but I always get a cab now.’ Lyn, with white blonde hair, who was also working here that night, says she is ‘more fearful now, I’m more nervous. It’s just so mysterious’. I leave the bar at 8pm and retrace Joanna’s steps. Even though it’s January, the streets are packed. There are a couple of women joggers but they are with boyfriends or husbands. I walk past the beautiful university building on my right, with Waitrose on my left. I wander the bright aisles, full of young women rushing round after work, leaving with carrier bags and expectation. I head up the hill towards Clifton, the leafy part of the city. It’s quieter now, and darker. I find Tesco, and go in. I almost buy that upmarket pizza; the choice tells me Jo wanted a lovely life, something above the ordinary. There is one police van on the green as I turn right into Canynge Road. I bet Jo’s heart lifted as she reached this junction, looking forward to the feeling only a Friday night near Christmas can give you. As I near her basement flat, at No 44, the road is quiet. Earlier in the day there had been an ITN news van here but it has gone now. I’m reassured to see two policemen standing vigil at her iron gate, either side of a small, discreet pile of flowers in varying degrees of decay. I tell them I’m spooked, walking here. ‘Don’t be spooked,’ one says. ‘Residents are campaigning to get brighter street lights installed.’ So the antique, lovely ones are to disappear to be replaced by ugly ones because of something even uglier. That afternoon I had gone to the lane where Jo’s body was found. It was horrible and windswept. I don’t know what I had expected but not this. There was no ceremony here, no policeman, just that lovely face on a now dog-eared poster. I got the feeling the world is starting to forget Jo, that she’ll become just another thumbnail on the Avon and Somerset Police website, along with the faces of the other murder victims no one can recall. I’d have expected the cars to slow down here to show respect but they sped past, carrying people on their way home from work. The lane is narrow. I can’t see how a car stopped here and a man struggled with a body without being beeped at and told to get out the way, as I was. There were no messages with the flowers, just one card, still sealed in its Cellophane. The person who left it hadn’t bothered to scrawl a note. Leaving Jo’s flat, I return to my car. My satnav takes me to the Clifton Suspension Bridge. The theory is the killer took the long route from the flat to where he dumped the body to avoid the CCTV cameras. Perhaps he also wanted to avoid the 50p toll. I don’t have 50p and try tossing 30p and a White Company button into the bucket. It doesn’t work. There is now an angry queue behind me. Isn’t it interesting that you can snatch a young woman’s life away from her in the most violent, painful, frightening way possible, take away her future children, her future Christmases, take away everything she loves, and yet there are elaborate systems in place to ensure you do not cross a bridge for only 30 pence? Finally, a man in a taxi jumps out, and runs to me brandishing a 50p piece. ‘Not all men are monsters,’ he says, grinning. Maybe not. But one monster is all it takes. |
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aww how sweet they dream of a man who beat em,, how romantic
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whoops wrong thread
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it is so obviously the bf idiot police
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where is pizza then if not in Jo
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So if she didn't eat the pizza she was killed that day and as soon as she got home?
Did she drink the cider? |
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half bottle i think
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how many of us ' boyfriend did it ' are left
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Only a few deluded ones left I think.
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A worrying comment earlier. "The police know who did it". They don't KNOW anything. With that sort of blinkered approach we will end up with another innocent man in jail. They are only seeking evidence to prosecute one suspect? Very dangerous policy.
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We don't really know how many suspects they have because they aren't telling us anything.
I mean it's taken them a month to announce that she didn't eat the pizza. |
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Probably just Sky news. I was going by 1st time Popster's 18-08 posting. I guess it's just thd opinion of an ex-copper. Not really news at all, then.
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Rocket to the FACE 18 Jan 11 22:42
We don't really know how many suspects they have because they aren't telling us anything. Hard to tell you anything when they probably know Jack |
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The theory is the killer took the long route from the flat to where he dumped the body to avoid the CCTV cameras. Perhaps he also wanted to avoid the 50p toll.
As pointed out by me, on thread 1, some time ago. As I said earlier on this thread, put yourself in the shoes of the killer, not the detective. |
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Mr. Winkle. I have copied and pasted the crassest piece of self-indulgent trash from Liz Jones' Daily Mail column! Glad to see someone found a valuable bit of information from it!
 The 192 comments/complaints on the Daily Mail site are much more worthy of reading! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1347621/Joanna-Yeates-murder-Becoming-just-thumbnail-police-website.html#comments |
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Didn't need to read it, I've missed most of this thread tbh. but I was bored.
As I don't know the area at all I used google maps to look at the bridge the minute the police said they were going to track the 32(?) cameras, and said to my mrs 'whoever it was took the long route.' Then threads were getting pulled every few hours so I never bothered reading what the chit chat defectives were writing. All I know is that between them they have hung the boyfriend, put the landord in front of a firing squad, suspected the parents, and spent a week discussing a facking sock and a missing pizza. Not exactly the brains trust in here. |
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they can`t say with certainty that she didn`t eat the pizza unless they are certain that she didn`t die on sunday.can tests show what you ate 48 hours before death? i wouldn`t have thought so but maybe they can.there may be other info not in the public domain which confirms a time of death.
the parents appeal today was interesting.i`ve suggested a few days ago that a lack of this type of appeal["have you noticed anyone acting strangely/unusual behaviour etc"],pointed to police knowing who the killer is. this appeal would have been most effective when the body was discovered or even before that when police and family suspected the worst. so does this now mean that the police haven`t a clue? perhaps not. firstly,the appeal was not well delivered and at times was incoherent. a police officer would have been a better option with a sharper to the point delivery with the family on either side. secondly, a month down the road, this type of appeal comes too late to be of any real value. so why do it then? perhaps the police still know their man? its their chance to get him into public view again in front of lights and cameras. get the body language experts in to survey things. this was probably what was going on early on when sky doorstepped the landlord. think it was used previously with ian huntley as well. |
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I like that the Daily Mail consistently under-estimate even their own readers!
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so why do it then? perhaps the police still know their man? its their chance to get him into public view again in front of lights and cameras. get the body language experts in to survey things. this was probably what was going on early on when sky doorstepped the landlord. think it was used previously with ian huntley as well
Who you talking about the father? |
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Everyone keeps going on about the BF, but what about her X's?
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i had the theory about her never making it home and gettign picked up by someone she knew every well and that her things were planted in her flat to make it look as if she got back there but that theory was blown out of the water by the police saying she died in her flat but an ex scotland yard officer raises that scenario today now the pizza was known not to have been eaten
Last night ex-Scotland Yard Commander John O'Connor called it a "highly significant breakthrough" in the case. He said it reinforced the view of Jo's parents David and Teresa that she was strangled by someone she knew. And he added: "It also raises the possibility she never got back to her flat at all - and that her keys and other belongings were planted there to make it look like she did." |
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2011/jan/19/dailymail-joanna-yeates?CMP=twt_fd
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this link works better http://bit.ly/evTgwD
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Fishman, yeah I read that. It seems a very odd theory though. Inconceivable surely for a stranger to do so, so you're left really with the b/f (presumably sound alibi) and landlord, both of whom would find it much simpler and safer to attack her at home.
If she was tipsy she could have put the pizza down (say to make a call) and forgotten it, may well be a complete red herring. |
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"It also raises the possibility she never got back to her flat at all - and that her keys and other belongings were planted there to make it look like she did."
I always thought that was a bit more likely than killing her in the flat and then taking the enormous risk of moving her body - unless it was essential for someone to put distance between the crime scene (?) Also last night on the local West Country News first time I seen an arial shot of where her body was dumped, so close to that huge drop in the quarry, seems fairly obvious that her killer intended to put her body down there. Very unusual location to drive 3 miles away and leave her on the roadside. So either panicked or was disturbed, or the other theory he couldn't lift her over the wall, that seems unlikely if he managed to get her from the flat to his car. |
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Depends when the body was dumped, TD. If it was dumped on Christmas morning, then that would fit.
Very hard to believe it was dumped on the Friday night (Dec 17) and lay there for over a week before being found. Site was too open and there wasn't enough snow to cover the body completely. As for killing her in the flat and moving the body, maybe he did so because he feared someone would come back later that night and report her missing? Moving it gave him more time, over two days as it turned out. As for the thery she was killed outside the flat and some possessions planted there, she must have accepted a lift from someone she knew because she wouldn't go with a stranger, especially when her flat was only a short distance from the last shop she visited. |
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What time did the BF get a jump start?
Perhaps she did go to Sheffield... |
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6.30pm - 7pm is what i read ,, the neighbour recieved a phonecall aroudn 6ish and he was asleep then went round and they got the car started he never said he saw him drive off etc but assumed he had
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wtf is wrong with these people, all asleep at 6 in the afternoon? Lazy buggers
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Police must have gone over BF's alibi a dozen times. Very difficult to believe it was him.
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does Gordon Brown have an alibi? They can always blame him
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I thought the police were convinced she made it back to the flat, but did not know where or when she was killed.
I also thought it was highly unlikely she ate the pizza - there didn't seem to be any evidence of her having done so at home from what the police have let on from the outset, and even less likely for her to eat it away from home. Getting a short lift and it being left behind on the car seat also quite a likely way of the pizza disappearing for good, but this doesn't seem to have been put forward as a possible scenario by the police. If she had dropped it (she seemed to be carrying quite a few carrier bags with not much in each one) or left it somewhere on the journey home, surely it would have come to light via a member of the public. On their arrival at the flat her parents seemed to be aware really quickly that Jo had been abducted and harm may have come to her, by how things appeared which they had been advised not to talk about by the police, but they said something about they knew Jo really well and knew how she would leave things and things she would and would not do, although they did comment that she and Greg were pretty untidy around the home. I thought that was most likely to do with the cat situation, but maybe it was something to do with how the coat, bag, keys, mobile, cider, boots were left. Did BF go through any of these things? Or did he leave everything as it was when he entered? The cider is the odd thing regards someone returning items (coat, keys, bag, etc.) to the flat. I also saw the site where the body was left and its proximity to the quarry wall on a news item some time ago. It certainly looked as if the intention had to be to get the body over the wall into one of the far corners of the quarry site which would have made detection much more difficult. If that was the intention, surely the person would have known the area well (to know what was over the wall) from either living in the area for a long time or knowing the area because of the golf courses and other things around there (think I noticed some other sporting facilities on a map/google earth). The area also seems to be quite popular with runners, cyclists, dog walkers, etc., although apparently was a lot quieter during the time when Jo was "missing" because of the weather conditions. |
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people rightly or wrongly believe the police have a prime suspect, and also rightly or wrongly think the LL and the BF are in the frame,i thought one of the reasons the LL was suspected was because of the possibility he was involved in a previous crime 30 years earlier as the cold case team have ruled out any involvement,does this make the BF favourite
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they must have a time of death from her blood/alcohol levels if they know how much she drank on the day she went missing
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TELL DEL 19 Jan 11 11:10
So either panicked or was disturbed, or the other theory he couldn't lift her over the wall, that seems unlikely if he managed to get her from the flat to his car. Maybe she ate the pizza in between and got a bit heavier. The pizza could have rolled down the hill when she was dumped hence it's not been found? |
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well spotted, Goring. Killer probably has a fetish forcing women to stuff their faces with pizza whilst pleasuring himself with a sock. So we're looking for someone who's mother was an anorexic tailor
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Karen Carpenter had no issue to my knowledge.
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32 Year old man has just been arrested !
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