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By:
Thin and Crispy
When: 03 Oct 14 11:42
We have no idea of the scale of our ignorance so it surprises me that anyone, no matter how eminent a scientist, can come to any conclusion about this.  Human beings have existed for a blink of an eye, so give it another 20,000 years and see what we think then.
By:
FlowerMyth
When: 03 Oct 14 12:12
I think we have some idea of the scale of our ignorance. We 'know' about 4% of the universe and that 4% is the entire universe for which we have theories that vary in their consistency. The other 96% is entirely unknown. The fact also remains that we don't know if any of it (the entire universe) really exists.
By:
ooO{Alpha Centauri}Ooo
When: 03 Oct 14 12:14
Another reason for lack of contact could also be that technologically advanced civilizations simply don't last very long, the likelihood of self destruction, disaster or annihalation by natural forces is much greater.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 03 Oct 14 14:06
All fair points. Paul Davies has been a proponent of the possibility of life-forms based on arsenic rather than carbon (as on Earth) or silicon (as in Star Trek). These people do not have closed minds.

But in the absence of any evidence whatsoever of life beyond the solar system or life having arisen more than just the once on Earth, as well as an absence of any explanation of how it arose here at all beyond astounding coincidence, then I believe the burden is on those of you who claim it's self-evident that there must be life elsewhere to find that evidence.

Until someone does, my working hypothesis will be that we are alone.
By:
call me a taxi
When: 04 Oct 14 23:43
Dr Who writers have a vivid imagination.

The Moon is actually an egg that has taken billions of years to hatch.
By:
i_agree_with_nick
When: 05 Oct 14 11:59
Brian Cox says that we may be the only intelligent life in the galaxy but that there will be single-celled life "all over the place"
By:
Ovalman.
When: 05 Oct 14 12:27
Brian Cox says that we may be the only intelligent life in the galaxy but that there will be single-celled life "all over the place"

I'm in this camp even though there is no evidence to back up my claims. I think the Universe is rife with life but beings capable of space travel are so rare, we may be the only one on in the galaxy (not Universe). I think there's a very good chance of life on Europa, Callisto, Enceladus even deep down on Mars as all the ingredients are there. Defining life is also hard, is a virus alive? Scientists are having a hard time defining it but I'd suspect it will arrive anywhere there is water, energy and enough time. The Universe is so huge that it's almost a certainty.

Also think about a World like Europa. It's covered in a 20km think layer of ice. There is most likely deep sea vents and an ocean under this crust so there's a fair chance it will arise but any potential life will have no chance of attaining space travel. We've also had means of communicating in space for 100 years, that's one 5 millionth of the age of the planet, that's a very short period, maybe every advanced species ruins it's planet by over population and using all it's resources. For all we know Mars and Venus could have been just like the Earth millions of years ago.

New Horizon reaches Pluto next year but already we know there is something very strange about this world. Some have calculated there could be an Ocean on Pluto as it's tidally locked with it's Moon Charon. This place is more like a binary planet than a planet/ moon system. With such frequency of possible life in our own Solar System, I'm very optimistic of life being found elsewhere even in my own lifetime.
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 05 Oct 14 13:39
If it's so straightforward, why has life arisen only once on this planet, and not twice or a million times?

Here we live on a world where we know conditions are right for life, yet after 4 billion years nothing whatsoever has been found with a DNA profile to indicate it arose independently of the evolutionary line shared by ourselves and every known living thing.

It's just hand-waving to claim that there are plenty of environments out there which could support life, so life must be out there. The environment is not the issue. It's how the hell could amino acids fall in the right sequence to form proteins at the precise moment RNA and/or DNA happened to be independently present ... and then somehow go on to form a self-replicating cell.

It's been compared to throwing a pile of nuts, bolts, wires, sheets of metal, etc. into the air and watching them land as a jumbo jet. It's astonishing it happened once ... but twice!

I have no problem keeping an open mind that there might be life elsewhere in our solar system from the same evolutionary root as ourselves, but truly alien life ... not one shred of evidence.
By:
jed.davison
When: 05 Oct 14 13:45
I'm pretty convinced that the preconditions for life have at some point existed on Mars.

Its surface features strongly suggest that water has flowed across it, which in turn points to it once having had a dense enough atmosphere, and thus the requisite atmospheric pressure, to retain that water. My own belief is that it was hit by a large ferrous body, whose impact and its consequences burnt away the atmosphere. This would result in the almost instantaneous boiling of any water on Mars and of course, due to the loss of atmosphere, the dissipation of the steam from that water.

This theory also explains the red dust which thickly coats the planet's surface now.

Current theories about Enceladus, well studied in recent years by Cassini, suggest that it is also a prime candidate for life. Hubble has also detected water-vapour plumes on Europa, which I believe the European Space Agency is planning to visit some time in the 2030s.
By:
i_agree_with_nick
When: 05 Oct 14 13:46
The older I get the more I lean towards the opinion that there may be some sort of creator or creative force
By:
Ovalman.
When: 05 Oct 14 16:42
If it's so straightforward, why has life arisen only once on this planet, and not twice or a million times?

We can't even define life nor an intelligent species, we're very new to all of this so give it time. When we fully explore the Solar System in the next 1,000 years then we'll have a better idea. I'm not hopeful for the planet but getting off it has been a major achievement so maybe there is some.

The older I get the more I lean towards the opinion that there may be some sort of creator or creative force


Nice sentiments but the ingredients of life are the Universe over. Besides, who created the creator?
By:
The Bhoys
When: 05 Oct 14 17:05
Matt greoning
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 05 Oct 14 17:27
If there's life out there, Jim, but not as we know it, why isn't it also here on Earth? Go to the most extreme circumstances, ranging from half a mile beneath the bed of the deep ocean to areas bathed in radiation, and the only life you'll find is microbes sharing the same origin as ourselves. Nothing else after 4 billion years of extreme changes.

Incidentally, what makes you unhopeful for the planet? What is evolution other than proof that life adapts to anything? 99.9% of all species that have existed are estimated to have gone extinct, which is precisely why the life which has taken their place on the Earth today comprises species of such resilience.
By:
brendanuk1
When: 05 Oct 14 17:38
Arent their things next to ocean thermal vents that are seperate, dont need light? Think i saw that somewhere cant b arsed googling Plain
By:
brendanuk1
When: 05 Oct 14 17:44
We should fire off some rockets full of random bug and microbes to likely planets
By:
Ovalman.
When: 05 Oct 14 17:48
Global warming, over population, religion as well as natural disasters. I'm pretty pessimistic for my offspring :(

Yes I'm wrong saying no hope for the planet but I'm not hopeful for the human species.
By:
brendanuk1
When: 05 Oct 14 17:51
The sun will burn out eventually and we become a cold stone, enjoy while you can
By:
Thin and Crispy
When: 05 Oct 14 18:58
Humans v Dinosaurs...which will servive longest? Full bank @1.00000000000001 on the the dinosaurs.

I'd gives us 5,0000 years at the most.   Maybe in a few hundred million years a new species will develop and think they also know it all.
By:
fkqmz
When: 05 Oct 14 20:44
well this thread has been a decent read. some good points and some not so good. however you may have guessed that i'm only breaking my silence here to point out that....

it is the basis of Christian belief that we are alone in the universe because God created human life on this planet only.

this is absolutely untrue, there's nothing in the bible to suggest that human life is unique to this planet, never mind any other form of life - only that we here were made as God's special race. its precisely for this reason that God, whether you believe in him or not, is an irrelevance to this debate.

personally I think there's probably life under that ice sheet on Europa although its probably unlike any hypothesis anyone has or will ever make. i like to think of a race of sharks living under there with human like intelligence Happy

And its shocking omission that no one answered..

"Who here believes in aliens?"

with...

"I want to believe"

Night all
By:
Owmybrainhurtz
When: 05 Oct 14 21:55
Did someone mention dinosaurs? Today I've been watching this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHesNW9WnDM
By:
Ovalman.
When: 05 Oct 14 22:01
Loving the comments below the video lol.
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 05 Oct 14 22:06
HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT THE ALIENS WHO VISIT THE EARTH IN SPACESHIPS JUST HAVE A QUICK LOOK AND THEN DECIDE TO FLY SOMEWHERE ELSE AND NOT SETTLE HERE ,THERE MUST BE ALOT NICER PLACES IN THE UNIVERSE TO HAVE  A HOLIDAY OR LIVE THAN THE EARTH
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 05 Oct 14 22:12
FANCY FLYING ME ALL THE WAY TO THE EARTH WHEN WE COULD HAVE JUST FLOWN A FEW LIGHT YEARS AWAY TO ONE OF THEM NEW UP AND COMEING PLANETS
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 05 Oct 14 22:13
YOUR ALWAYS THE SAME WHEN YOU GET A NEW FLYING SAUCER
By:
Ovalman.
When: 05 Oct 14 22:16
Do Wah spamming
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 05 Oct 14 22:17
IM  NOT GETTING IN THAT FLYING SAUCER AGAIN WITH YOU ON ONE OF YOUR TRIPS I DONT KNOW HOW MANY ASTEROIDS YOUVE JUST MISSED,
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 05 Oct 14 22:19
OVAL MAN DONT BE A SQUARE
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 05 Oct 14 22:22
DO YOU REALISE YOUR DRIVING ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE UNIVERSE,I KNEW THIS WOULD HAPPEN AS SOON AS YOU CAME OUT OF THAT BLACK HOLE
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 05 Oct 14 22:25
I KNEW IT I JUST KNEW IT ,WE SHOULD HAVE TOOK A LEFT AT PLUTO WERE GOING TO END UP NEAR THE SUN
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 05 Oct 14 22:28
I TOLD YOU TO GET YOUR ANTI SUN SPACESHIP PROTECTOR  SORTED OUT AT THE GARAGE BEFORE WE CAME ON THIS JOURNEY,BUT NO YOU WOULDNT LISTEN TO ME,I JUST HOPE YOUR HAPPY WHEN ME AND THE KIDS ARE FRAZZELED
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 05 Oct 14 22:31
NO I WONT SHUT UP ,YOU NEED TO STOP SOMEWHERE I NEED TO HAVE A WEE AND SOMETHING TO EAT
By:
Ovalman.
When: 05 Oct 14 22:36
You can be funny at times Do Wah but you can also spam threads where your not welcome.

This was a good discussion.
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 05 Oct 14 22:37
OK IM SORRY ,ILL BE MORE SENSIBLE WHEN I SEE A POST ABOUT ALIENS ,
By:
Do wah Diddy
When: 05 Oct 14 22:57
YES YOUR RIGHT IM SORRY,I WILL STICK TO MY OWN THREADS OR  JUST DO ONE COMMENT ,IM VERY SELFISH ,AND VERY SORRY IM NOT HERE TO UPSET ANYONE
By:
ebulGery
When: 06 Oct 14 00:07
OK IM SORRY ,ILL BE MORE SENSIBLE WHEN I SEE A POST ABOUT ALIENS ,

Laugh
By:
ebulGery
When: 06 Oct 14 00:11
I would love that we discover life somewhere else before I die

but I doubt it

We are not rushing to get to Mars are we

We need to have a permanent base and a good dig there

but we seem to have lost our sense of adventure

we are more interested in not smoking and trying to live forever....pathetic
By:
ebulGery
When: 06 Oct 14 00:16
People say why waste money, we not sort this Earth out first

but judging by what I see...what chance have we got of doing that????

We are always looking to start wars, our population is out of control, we don't

know yet how global warming will affect us, we don't know if we can grow enough food for everyone, provide enough energy

We are better off looking for life on Mars imo
By:
i_agree_with_nick
When: 06 Oct 14 15:48
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If it's so straightforward, why has life arisen only once on this planet, and not twice or a million times?

Here we live on a world where we know conditions are right for life, yet after 4 billion years nothing whatsoever has been found with a DNA profile to indicate it arose independently of the evolutionary line shared by ourselves and every known living thing.

It's just hand-waving to claim that there are plenty of environments out there which could support life, so life must be out there. The environment is not the issue. It's how the hell could amino acids fall in the right sequence to form proteins at the precise moment RNA and/or DNA happened to be independently present ... and then somehow go on to form a self-replicating cell.

It's been compared to throwing a pile of nuts, bolts, wires, sheets of metal, etc. into the air and watching them land as a jumbo jet. It's astonishing it happened once ... but twice!

I have no problem keeping an open mind that there might be life elsewhere in our solar system from the same evolutionary root as ourselves, but truly alien life ... not one shred of evidence.


Interesting point. Why isn't life springing up as we speak?

Am I right in saying that scientists have succeeded in creating basic life in laboratory conditions?
By:
RickiBobby
When: 06 Oct 14 19:55
There could be alien life that cannot be picked up by science, maybe operating outside our range most of the time but occassionally coming across for fleeting moments.   Unlikely but not impossible.
By:
brendanuk1
When: 06 Oct 14 20:31
like an alien life form with a cloaking device perhaps Confused
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