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Jul 26, 2015 -- 4:16PM, akabula wrote:
Before we go any further who was all in on this hoax?
more than meets the Eye, mate.
As I said Hay who was all in on the conspiracy. Once we've debated that, and most conspiracies tend to fail at this point, then I'll watch the vid or at least try. Nearly 5 hours wow.
What about the police and other emergency services. What about the press? What about the judiciary system? Were they all taken in?
you should watch this one to..
Boston Bombing Hoax and the Fake Hero, Carlos Arredondo EXPOSED!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1air7b7AlAA
Boston Bombing Hoax and the Fake Hero, Carlos Arredondo EXPOSED!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1air7b7AlAA
One thing's or sure - best not post conspish on a public netwroek!
Fcuk the Pope lool
Fcuk the Pope lool
What about the police and other emergency services. What about the press? What about the judiciary system? Were they all taken in?
Fat policemen all standing around doing nothing were actors.
Other emergency services - ambulances were not allowed to the site and had to stay parked up a few miles away, that's why all the amputee actors were in wheelchairs. (for the photoshoot).
-the press who were there were all part of it so was the judiciary - this was a massive operation the whole thing is fake.
Fat policemen all standing around doing nothing were actors.
Other emergency services - ambulances were not allowed to the site and had to stay parked up a few miles away, that's why all the amputee actors were in wheelchairs. (for the photoshoot).
-the press who were there were all part of it so was the judiciary - this was a massive operation the whole thing is fake.
I can't be having that the Boston marathon was a hoax in any way, very much a step too far for me.
Has a cast of thousands seemingly and what was it for Hay?
What about the resulting court case?
Exactly, no cameras were allowed in the court room, I wonder why not.
Exactly, no cameras were allowed in the court room, I wonder why not.
I've resurrected the debate about the collapse of the three towers in case anyone is interested enough to have a read.
A German documentary about 911.
A German documentary about 911.
Not me m8. As I said earlier ever theory concerning 9/11 tends to fall apart when you get to the 'who was involved in the conspiracy' part.
I don't touch on that at all, Akabula. I'm solely concerned with scientific facts.
tell your friends - ENOUGH ALREAY.
No more - we are FULL!
No more - we are FULL!
We are full.
Amsterdam never happened btw. T'was a group of travelling Rangers supporters dressed up as tims.
Amsterdam never happened btw. T'was a group of travelling Rangers supporters dressed up as tims.
"defenders of the 767 theory want their cake and eat it too: supposedly powerful 767s easily penetrated steel walls and floors yet identically crumbled within a fraction of a second and vanished inside despite huge fuselage length and wingspan ¾ the length of a tower wall. Both 767s were never seen again from any side of either tower, a dazzling combination of imposing strength and fragility within a tenth of a second."
http://desip.igc.org/NoPlanesOn911.html
http://desip.igc.org/NoPlanesOn911.html
Pokermonster • July 26, 2015 11:19 PM BST
Akabula's post has disappeared?
So it has. How is that possible? One of the other posters on here a mod or something?
BTW everything I had in that post was facts.
Akabula's post has disappeared?
So it has. How is that possible? One of the other posters on here a mod or something?
BTW everything I had in that post was facts.
Oops I got mixed up with my threads. What post were you referring to PM?
The one at the top of this page, sir. It's reappeared now, but vanished for a few minutes on my screens.
G1 all the suicide pilots had some sort of training. Was well documented.
I suppose as they hadn't been in control of the plane at take-off and had no intention of landing then a basic training would be sufficient.
I suppose as they hadn't been in control of the plane at take-off and had no intention of landing then a basic training would be sufficient.
egner • July 26, 2015 11:23 PM BST
"defenders of the 767 theory want their cake and eat it too: supposedly powerful 767s easily penetrated steel walls and floors yet identically crumbled within a fraction of a second and vanished inside despite huge fuselage length and wingspan ¾ the length of a tower wall. Both 767s were never seen again from any side of either tower, a dazzling combination of imposing strength and fragility within a tenth of a second."
http://desip.igc.org/NoPlanesOn911.html
"defenders of the 767 theory want their cake and eat it too: supposedly powerful 767s easily penetrated steel walls and floors yet identically crumbled within a fraction of a second and vanished inside despite huge fuselage length and wingspan ¾ the length of a tower wall. Both 767s were never seen again from any side of either tower, a dazzling combination of imposing strength and fragility within a tenth of a second."
http://desip.igc.org/NoPlanesOn911.html
egner • December 24, 2013 12:05 AM GMT
..almost forgot about this...no akabula.. I am not happy....
...the lovely round hole in the pentagon was explained...(im using explained in its loosest sense).....away by the fact the planes fuselage hit head on and made the nice round hole......(despite many claims by pilots that this would have been virtually impossible for even an experienced pilot)...
..but now you would also like the plane to have hit side on to explain away the question I asked.....
...why didn't the wings from the Boeing make any marks on the Pentagon??????
...think its pretty difficult for the plane to both hit head on and side at the same time!!!!....yep.
..almost forgot about this...no akabula.. I am not happy....
...the lovely round hole in the pentagon was explained...(im using explained in its loosest sense).....away by the fact the planes fuselage hit head on and made the nice round hole......(despite many claims by pilots that this would have been virtually impossible for even an experienced pilot)...
..but now you would also like the plane to have hit side on to explain away the question I asked.....
...why didn't the wings from the Boeing make any marks on the Pentagon??????
...think its pretty difficult for the plane to both hit head on and side at the same time!!!!....yep.
egner • June 22, 2015 10:45 PM BST
..still no answer...nope........another question...
...and why would a terrorist....with the pentagon in his sights...decide not to hit directly.....but go round said pentagon(in a seemingly impossible manoeuvre for a plane of that type At that altitude) and skim the ground at at about 2 feet altititude in order to hit a certain section of the pentagon.....much like a guided missile.
..oops have I answered my own question.....Wink
..still no answer...nope........another question...
...and why would a terrorist....with the pentagon in his sights...decide not to hit directly.....but go round said pentagon(in a seemingly impossible manoeuvre for a plane of that type At that altitude) and skim the ground at at about 2 feet altititude in order to hit a certain section of the pentagon.....much like a guided missile.
..oops have I answered my own question.....Wink
egner • June 25, 2015 10:24 PM BST
..no further offers.....neo con conspiracy centred around the Bush/Bin laden (USA/Saudi) axis then...yep.....with various nefarious hangers on on...CIA?NSA facilitating.....yep.
28 pages.org
..no further offers.....neo con conspiracy centred around the Bush/Bin laden (USA/Saudi) axis then...yep.....with various nefarious hangers on on...CIA?NSA facilitating.....yep.
28 pages.org
egner • June 25, 2015 10:53 PM BST
Congressman Thomas Massie...who has read the redacted 28 pages...(in secret of course)....
.... described the 28 pages as “shocking” and said, “I had to stop every couple pages and…try to rearrange my understanding of history. It challenges you to rethink everything.”
Congressman Thomas Massie...who has read the redacted 28 pages...(in secret of course)....
.... described the 28 pages as “shocking” and said, “I had to stop every couple pages and…try to rearrange my understanding of history. It challenges you to rethink everything.”
egner • July 24, 2015 9:53 PM BST
....well......
...there are 28 redacted pages.....and by all accounts they are very interesting.......
....if there is nothing of significance then what is the harm in making them public............???????
......and why would a congressman make such remarks on reading them.
....well......
...there are 28 redacted pages.....and by all accounts they are very interesting.......
....if there is nothing of significance then what is the harm in making them public............???????
......and why would a congressman make such remarks on reading them.
egner • July 26, 2015 9:16 PM BST
.....simple...reasonable questions that cannot be answered........
....and yet when they are asked....the only reply is ......unpatriotic.......conspiracy theorist....fruit loop ...etc etc......
.....if the questions are reasonable and the official version has some depth of integrity......
....then why is it so difficult to get simple answers to such basic questions.
.....simple...reasonable questions that cannot be answered........
....and yet when they are asked....the only reply is ......unpatriotic.......conspiracy theorist....fruit loop ...etc etc......
.....if the questions are reasonable and the official version has some depth of integrity......
....then why is it so difficult to get simple answers to such basic questions.
egner • July 26, 2015 10:16 PM BST
...one thing is for sure.....the two towers were certainly not brought down by Boeing 767s.......
......and as for wtc7......well..all that really needs saying is that it came down in the same free fall fashion as the two towers.....
...yet nothing hit it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
...one thing is for sure.....the two towers were certainly not brought down by Boeing 767s.......
......and as for wtc7......well..all that really needs saying is that it came down in the same free fall fashion as the two towers.....
...yet nothing hit it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
egner • July 26, 2015 11:23 PM BST
"defenders of the 767 theory want their cake and eat it too: supposedly powerful 767s easily penetrated steel walls and floors yet identically crumbled within a fraction of a second and vanished inside despite huge fuselage length and wingspan ¾ the length of a tower wall. Both 767s were never seen again from any side of either tower, a dazzling combination of imposing strength and fragility within a tenth of a second."
http://desip.igc.org/NoPlanesOn911.html
"defenders of the 767 theory want their cake and eat it too: supposedly powerful 767s easily penetrated steel walls and floors yet identically crumbled within a fraction of a second and vanished inside despite huge fuselage length and wingspan ¾ the length of a tower wall. Both 767s were never seen again from any side of either tower, a dazzling combination of imposing strength and fragility within a tenth of a second."
http://desip.igc.org/NoPlanesOn911.html
...indeed akabula.....
..though however much I like you ...I must correct you.....
...they fooled a majority of the world........but not the independently minded ...ask quite reasonable questions .. minority of the world!!
..though however much I like you ...I must correct you.....
...they fooled a majority of the world........but not the independently minded ...ask quite reasonable questions .. minority of the world!!
"As if that isn’t enough, we have the resistance paradox. This phrase has been coined to describe the fact that not only did the towers fall at a speed, which indicates negligible resistance, but at the same time they ground themselves into fine dust while still standing.
This is impossible under the law of conservation of energy. If one were to postulate that somehow the entire building was—without any planning—miraculously and symmetrically disembodied, enabling it to fall without resistance, then it leaves nothing to explain the pulverization of the concrete. Such pulverization can only come from a high resistance collision. On the other hand, if you postulate extreme collision forces withinthe falling building, grinding the falling concrete into fine dust on its way down, then there is nothing to explain the resistance free fall of the speed. There can’t simultaneously be both high resistance—causing grinding of the concrete into dust—and negligible resistance allowing a fall at the same speed as through air. Only the input of extra energy—an orchestrated demolition, explains the simultaneous presence of both factors."[9]
http://desip.igc.org/NoPlanesOn911.html
This is impossible under the law of conservation of energy. If one were to postulate that somehow the entire building was—without any planning—miraculously and symmetrically disembodied, enabling it to fall without resistance, then it leaves nothing to explain the pulverization of the concrete. Such pulverization can only come from a high resistance collision. On the other hand, if you postulate extreme collision forces withinthe falling building, grinding the falling concrete into fine dust on its way down, then there is nothing to explain the resistance free fall of the speed. There can’t simultaneously be both high resistance—causing grinding of the concrete into dust—and negligible resistance allowing a fall at the same speed as through air. Only the input of extra energy—an orchestrated demolition, explains the simultaneous presence of both factors."[9]
http://desip.igc.org/NoPlanesOn911.html
Pretty reasonable questions....pretty reasonable posts......
Yep.
Yep.
As one who maintains that some form of controlled explosive must have demolished WTCs one, two and seven, I take exception to being labelled a fruitcake along with the fake aircraft or alien ray gun believers. Alas, of course, it was ever thus. The scientific integrity promised by President Obama in his inaugural speech, rather like those holographic passenger jets, never materialized.
It was simply exactly what you saw even Bush who was in a School at the time was so flabbergasted he found it difficult
to believe and didn't know how to react to the news.If he knew it would happen he would have neverhave visited a School..
Simples when you use your brain....Don't believe the shoite...
to believe and didn't know how to react to the news.If he knew it would happen he would have neverhave visited a School..
Simples when you use your brain....Don't believe the shoite...
Never been comfortable with the official story.
Where to start? So many bizarre and tragic events that day.
With regard to the falling of the 3 towers I see no reason other than explosives for them to fall in on themselves.
As someone who has felled a few trees, they will ALWAYS look for the easiest way to the ground.
No matter how heavy the top may be, gravity dictates the top section will fall AWAY from that which is still standing.
The explanation that a passenger aircraft hit the Pentagon borders on the hilarious if it wasn't so tragic. Where happened to the wings and why such a small hole?
Geez, that pilot must have been one superstar flyer to put it down flat on that lawn...
Where to start? So many bizarre and tragic events that day.
With regard to the falling of the 3 towers I see no reason other than explosives for them to fall in on themselves.
As someone who has felled a few trees, they will ALWAYS look for the easiest way to the ground.
No matter how heavy the top may be, gravity dictates the top section will fall AWAY from that which is still standing.
The explanation that a passenger aircraft hit the Pentagon borders on the hilarious if it wasn't so tragic. Where happened to the wings and why such a small hole?
Geez, that pilot must have been one superstar flyer to put it down flat on that lawn...
"No matter how heavy the top may be, gravity dictates the top section will fall AWAY from that which is still standing."
There's just no arguing with this.
Gravity isn't proportional to proportionate mass, force will be away-ish, if it's a tree.
Meteors must have some sort of coefficient of tree-ness to affect the laws of physics and thus orbit.
There's just no arguing with this.
Gravity isn't proportional to proportionate mass, force will be away-ish, if it's a tree.
Meteors must have some sort of coefficient of tree-ness to affect the laws of physics and thus orbit.
To me it's like this ...
1) Opinions are like rsoles - everybody's got one.
2) So you have to seperate unqualified opinion from fact.
3) So ..if you want qualfied facts ..not opinions see what the experts are telling us.
4) See what Judy Wood has to say ...she has PHD doctorate in Structural Engineering
5) See what the "American Institute of Structural Engineers" say.
1) Opinions are like rsoles - everybody's got one.
2) So you have to seperate unqualified opinion from fact.
3) So ..if you want qualfied facts ..not opinions see what the experts are telling us.
4) See what Judy Wood has to say ...she has PHD doctorate in Structural Engineering
5) See what the "American Institute of Structural Engineers" say.
Of course it was a staged event.As Injera says,how would it be possible to get an approach of that angle to the Pentagon......Impossible.
Simple answer to all this is....Do you believe EVERYTHING the media reports is true.if not which one/s.
The Pentagon, more camera's on that building than any on earth, not one clear shot, and the one they do have of the approach to the building appears to have missing frames at the crucial moment whilst being far and grainy.
I feel sorry for people who call conspiracy theorists 'loopy', just tells me they don't quite have the balls to challenge governments official version.
I feel sorry for people who call conspiracy theorists 'loopy', just tells me they don't quite have the balls to challenge governments official version.
Quite right Pinot Noir...
American Govenment totally corrupt ....just see what Edward Snowden has leaked.
Nahhh they don't like the truth being out there !
American Media controlled by the Government and big business.
American Govenment totally corrupt ....just see what Edward Snowden has leaked.
Nahhh they don't like the truth being out there !
American Media controlled by the Government and big business.
Pfft, conspiracy theories. Madness. I don't know if people realise, but there's still some weird people out there who believe that it was all organised by some bloke in a cave in Afghanistan.
Niels Harrit Danish scientist along with Eight other leading scientists has confirmed use of Nano-Thermite on the World Trade Centre Twin Towers on 9/11/2001.
The dust from the World Trade Centre Disaster is full of remains of Nano Thermite Explosive.
If your not an expert ...your opinion means nothing !
The dust from the World Trade Centre Disaster is full of remains of Nano Thermite Explosive.
If your not an expert ...your opinion means nothing !
Not really.
Depends who's funding the experts to have their expert opinion.
Depends who's funding the experts to have their expert opinion.
like those holographic passenger jets
Got to be the best yet and that's saying something given the level of stupidity on here.
Got to be the best yet and that's saying something given the level of stupidity on here.
maybe the US were too embarrassed to admit that explosives had also been planted in the buildings in the weeks leading up to it. would have made them look like bigger clowns than they already were.
There will always be a conspiracy if the facts are not released eom
If your not an expert ...your opinion means nothing.
Published on 15 Feb 2015
Check out this best ever 9/11 technical analysis by architectural and engineering experts, pretty much proves 9/11 is a lie, even to died in the wool deniers.
More experts ...how many more do you want ?
An unqualified opinion is not worth Jack **** !
Published on 15 Feb 2015
Check out this best ever 9/11 technical analysis by architectural and engineering experts, pretty much proves 9/11 is a lie, even to died in the wool deniers.
More experts ...how many more do you want ?
An unqualified opinion is not worth Jack **** !
How many copies did you buy ron?
Where there's a tragedy there's a conspiracy and where there's a conspiracy there's money to be made.
Where there's a tragedy there's a conspiracy and where there's a conspiracy there's money to be made.
I could give you at least another 100 Structural Steel experts with PHD's, HNC's ...all different nationalities.
I've worked in the Oil/Gas/Energy industry for over 40 years and specialist in Structural Steel purchase ...
Jet-A1 fuel cannot burn with high enough temp to melt or substanyially weaken structural Steel !
Here's some more :-
911 Truth: NYFD (New York Fire Dept.) say Explosives brought down Towers !
I've worked in the Oil/Gas/Energy industry for over 40 years and specialist in Structural Steel purchase ...
Jet-A1 fuel cannot burn with high enough temp to melt or substanyially weaken structural Steel !
Here's some more :-
911 Truth: NYFD (New York Fire Dept.) say Explosives brought down Towers !
And who's to say that, as Senyatta suggested, that these weren't put in place by the terrorists?
Who knows who the culprits were ..maybe one day the truth will be out!
The problem is ..whether it's Russia, America, UK, or wherever - they (CIA/FBI/MI6/MI5/KGB/FSB etc..) treat the general public (all Countries) like phucking idiots and all are quite capable of distorting the truth, mass murder, horendous criminal activity with almost complete immunity.
I've travelled very extensively throughout the World ..fom Tehran to Kazakhstan to the other side of the Ural mountains in Russia to name but a few ...and have first hand experience of what these buggers are capable of.
So ...blowing up a couple of office blocks in Down Town New York - just another day at the office !
The problem is ..whether it's Russia, America, UK, or wherever - they (CIA/FBI/MI6/MI5/KGB/FSB etc..) treat the general public (all Countries) like phucking idiots and all are quite capable of distorting the truth, mass murder, horendous criminal activity with almost complete immunity.
I've travelled very extensively throughout the World ..fom Tehran to Kazakhstan to the other side of the Ural mountains in Russia to name but a few ...and have first hand experience of what these buggers are capable of.
So ...blowing up a couple of office blocks in Down Town New York - just another day at the office !
Experts disagree with each other all the time.
"Experts disagree with each other all the time"
depends on the subject ...what they can't disagree with in this case is the fundamental properties of the Structural Steel, it's chemical composition, yield strength, melting point etc ...
In the construction of the floors themselves, a mix of A36 and ASTM A 242 steel was used. ASTM A 242 is what is known as a high-strength, low-alloy (HSLA) steel, which means that it was extra-strong.
Q) How many Steel Framed buildings have collapsed as a result of fire ?
A) None !
depends on the subject ...what they can't disagree with in this case is the fundamental properties of the Structural Steel, it's chemical composition, yield strength, melting point etc ...
In the construction of the floors themselves, a mix of A36 and ASTM A 242 steel was used. ASTM A 242 is what is known as a high-strength, low-alloy (HSLA) steel, which means that it was extra-strong.
Q) How many Steel Framed buildings have collapsed as a result of fire ?
A) None !
Akabula wrote:
like those holographic passenger jets
Got to be the best yet and that's saying something given the level of stupidity on here.
I think you have misread my post, sir. I was, albeit rather politely, disparaging the concept of fake aircraft, not endorsing it.
My earlier post in full.
As one who maintains that some form of controlled explosive must have demolished WTCs one, two and seven, I take exception to being labelled a fruitcake along with the fake aircraft or alien ray gun believers. Alas, of course, it was ever thus. The scientific integrity promised by President Obama in his inaugural speech, rather like those holographic passenger jets, never materialized.
All of which highlights the point I was striving to make. Genuine scientific grievances with the official explanation often gets grouped together with the outlandish, and thus unjustly ridiculed.
Apologies but, to me, it read as if you were endorsing that theory.
As regards everything else many a scientist/expert has explained away the discrepancies.
As regards everything else many a scientist/expert has explained away the discrepancies.
Getting drawn in again! It's a conspiracy.
I accept that there are 'issues' but to describe the whole thing as being down to 'an inside job' is outlandish in the extreme
I accept that there are 'issues' but to describe the whole thing as being down to 'an inside job' is outlandish in the extreme
I leave the who and the why to those more qualified to judge, preferring to stick to the scientific debate.
Didn't we recently talk about this subject at length on another thread, Akabula?
Now you're talking, sir, something I really know about! 
If you believe what you read......
Been reading a bit about this lately. Might sound crazy, but I didn't even know about the 3rd tower that fell down! That ain't right, no effing way!
An astounding video uncovered from the archives today shows the BBC reporting on the collapse of WTC Building 7 over twenty minutes before it fell at 5:20pm on the afternoon of 9/11. The incredible footage shows a BBC reporter talking about the collapse of the Salomon Brothers Building while it remained standing.
Apparently somebody threw a **** in a waste bin and it brought the whole building down !
Apparently somebody threw a **** in a waste bin and it brought the whole building down !
Apparently they were reporting what reuters had reported after they got about to collapsed (it had been sealed of because of concerns it would fall) mixed up with it had collapsed.
Btw I believe there is a cover up on some scale too, there is a lot of stuff that doesn't add up, like the F-16s jets that had gone miles out to sea. But hard evidence of anything is hard to come by.
Btw I believe there is a cover up on some scale too, there is a lot of stuff that doesn't add up, like the F-16s jets that had gone miles out to sea. But hard evidence of anything is hard to come by.
WTC leaseholder Larry Silverstein admitted that building 7 was pulled down by a controlled demolition:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jPzAakHPpk
- He changed his story the next day.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jPzAakHPpk
- He changed his story the next day.
Very interesting video about the planes impact..I must admit to not realising the points they raise, until now.
'You tube - conclusive proof the 9/11 planes were not real'.
'You tube - conclusive proof the 9/11 planes were not real'.
What do you mean? - I think he means this.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz5_bWt45h0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz5_bWt45h0
The video link I wanted is locked.
You can google what I quoted to see it.
The planes almost melted into the buildings. I had previously given this no thought. The way they disappear into the buildings is very odd. The wings especially would break off.
You can google what I quoted to see it.
The planes almost melted into the buildings. I had previously given this no thought. The way they disappear into the buildings is very odd. The wings especially would break off.
wouldn't it be wonderful if we knew the truth one way or another?
of course it would,alas it aint gonna happen
of course it would,alas it aint gonna happen
Fascinating stuff, Injera.
Is this the link?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUoqwUVOxHE
Is this the link?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUoqwUVOxHE
Good afternoon, Injera. I hope you are well, sir.
Many thanks for the video recommendation, I watched it last night with interest. As mentioned in an earlier chat with Akabula, however, the holographic aircraft debate remains a bridge too far for me. Apologies for sounding overly dismissive, but most of the theories propounded in the recording are nonsense in my view, an unwelcome distraction to the far more disturbing issues of WTCs 1, 2 and 7 and their subsequent implosions. Granted, the sight of flight 175 appearing to melt into the south tower is inexplicable to many an armchair physicist but it's nothing more than an optical illusion, a trompe l'oeil as the French would have it. The building (exactly as engineered) withstood the impact remarkably well, what we witnessed was the plane collapsing in on itself against the substructure. Something like the car in this Mythbusters clip (fast forward to 3:20):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl8xTqTUGCY
I live in New York for part of the year and know folk who actually saw the second crash in person. The tragic fact is that a large jet was flown into a skyscraper as an act of terrorism and to suggest otherwise is not only fallacious, it is disrespectful to the murdered passengers. To give the program's producers some small credit, their assertion regards airspeed at sea level does appear perfectly valid. Does the official report maintain that the imapct was at 550 mph? I have no idea, personally, but the engineers' testimony at Pratt & Whitney and Rolls Royce seem irrefutable.
Many thanks for the video recommendation, I watched it last night with interest. As mentioned in an earlier chat with Akabula, however, the holographic aircraft debate remains a bridge too far for me. Apologies for sounding overly dismissive, but most of the theories propounded in the recording are nonsense in my view, an unwelcome distraction to the far more disturbing issues of WTCs 1, 2 and 7 and their subsequent implosions. Granted, the sight of flight 175 appearing to melt into the south tower is inexplicable to many an armchair physicist but it's nothing more than an optical illusion, a trompe l'oeil as the French would have it. The building (exactly as engineered) withstood the impact remarkably well, what we witnessed was the plane collapsing in on itself against the substructure. Something like the car in this Mythbusters clip (fast forward to 3:20):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl8xTqTUGCY
I live in New York for part of the year and know folk who actually saw the second crash in person. The tragic fact is that a large jet was flown into a skyscraper as an act of terrorism and to suggest otherwise is not only fallacious, it is disrespectful to the murdered passengers. To give the program's producers some small credit, their assertion regards airspeed at sea level does appear perfectly valid. Does the official report maintain that the imapct was at 550 mph? I have no idea, personally, but the engineers' testimony at Pratt & Whitney and Rolls Royce seem irrefutable.
Evening Poker. Well thanks. You?
Thanks for your link. The impact on the car was at over 600mph and involving a flat, chunky object. The planes have flimsy wings (relatively) which surely break off at impact.
Yes, the planes were said to be travelling over 500mph by the official report but this is apparently impossible at such a low height, given the 'heavy' air.
I have no desire to tarnish the memory of victims but there are so many unanswered questions. The relatives of the lost deserve to have a creditable enquiry which has never happened.
Do you think the 3 towers were demolished or collapsed as a result of fire?
Thanks for your link. The impact on the car was at over 600mph and involving a flat, chunky object. The planes have flimsy wings (relatively) which surely break off at impact.
Yes, the planes were said to be travelling over 500mph by the official report but this is apparently impossible at such a low height, given the 'heavy' air.
I have no desire to tarnish the memory of victims but there are so many unanswered questions. The relatives of the lost deserve to have a creditable enquiry which has never happened.
Do you think the 3 towers were demolished or collapsed as a result of fire?
and Osama was killed and buried at sea.
Of course he was.
Of course he was.
Yes, very well thank you.
I wasn't for a moment suggesting you were being disrespectful, sir, rather the producers' notion that the aircraft wasn't real. Aluminium wings wouldn't necessarily break off on impact just because they are relatively flimsy when compared with reinforced concrete, even water will penetrate such materials if it's travelling fast enough. The plane folded in on itself like a concertina against the tower's substructure, resulting in the illusion of melting we have all witnessed.
Do I believe the three towers were demolished or collapsed as a result of the aircrafts' impact and subsequent fires? I contend that all three buildings were deliberately demolished by some form of explosive implosion. I have explained the reasons for such beliefs at length on here and another earlier thread entitled German documentary about 911. I'll have a look in the archives and resurrect it for you, sir.
I wasn't for a moment suggesting you were being disrespectful, sir, rather the producers' notion that the aircraft wasn't real. Aluminium wings wouldn't necessarily break off on impact just because they are relatively flimsy when compared with reinforced concrete, even water will penetrate such materials if it's travelling fast enough. The plane folded in on itself like a concertina against the tower's substructure, resulting in the illusion of melting we have all witnessed.
Do I believe the three towers were demolished or collapsed as a result of the aircrafts' impact and subsequent fires? I contend that all three buildings were deliberately demolished by some form of explosive implosion. I have explained the reasons for such beliefs at length on here and another earlier thread entitled German documentary about 911. I'll have a look in the archives and resurrect it for you, sir.
Sep 5, 2015 -- 12:08PM, Injera wrote:
Yes Trilby, thanks. What do you reckon?
I wasn't previously aware of phantom plane theory (apart from the Whitehouse) but after watching the link Make my hay posted and this one, well, I'm absolutely astounded.
I was already highly suspicious of the whole thing and the evidence points to some highly dodgy goings on.
The Big Bamboozle: Philip Marshall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXI8lnqEahQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXI8lnqEahQ
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