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Delightful
08 May 10 13:34
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If Clegg does throw in with The Conservatives, I fear for us all. You had better hope your circumstances don't change because if you lose your job or home, there will be nothing for you here.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/johann-hari-welcome-to-cameron-land-1962318.html

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By:
Delightful
When: 08 May 10 13:36
Sorry, here is the link.

http://tinyurl.com/2vkhwaw
By:
STEPTOES YARD
When: 08 May 10 13:36
Yep because things are so fantastic now for the masses of skilled unemployed, 1 million teenagers out of work and millions of 1 parent benefit dependent families.

Labour got hammered for a reason.
By:
Delightful
When: 08 May 10 13:45
Labour 'got hammered' because people are blaming them for the state of the economy.  We may be an island but we don't exist in isolation. The world recession has caused our economic downturn, not Labour policies.

A snippet from this article, for those of you who can't be bothered to click through:

'The Conservative administration was determined to shrink the size of the state and cut taxes as an end in itself. Rather than pay for it by taking more from the people in the borough with the most money, they slashed services for the broke and the broken first. After the homeless, they turned to help for the disabled. In their 2006 manifesto, the local Conservatives had given a cast-iron guarantee: "A Conservative council will not reintroduce home-care charging". It was a totemic symbol of leaving behind Thatcherism: they wouldn't charge the disabled, the mentally ill or the elderly for the care they needed just to survive.

Within three months, the promise was broken'.
By:
STEPTOES YARD
When: 08 May 10 13:50
Oh yeh, silly me, funny how little Brown spoke of global economics when taking full praise for the good times and now suddenly the bad times are zilch to do with him and his decisions
By:
panglima
When: 08 May 10 13:57
Having seen the place I have worked in for the past 30 years turn into a Ghetto since labour has come to power I cannot believe things could actually get worse with a new Govt.
By:
Delightful
When: 08 May 10 14:00
Unfortunately, time will undoubtably tell pumps. :(
By:
David Fishwick Minibus Sales
When: 08 May 10 14:02
There may be a lack of replies because that link was posted several times the other day Delightful.
By:
hcafc
When: 08 May 10 14:04
Delightful how the 'Broken promises' line omitted Labour's broken promises on electoral reform, the Lisbon treaty and not raising income tax.

Selective memory in full flow.
By:
Delightful
When: 08 May 10 14:06
Thanks David, I don't come here all the time so didn't see it. I don't suppose this new forum is helping either, it's certainly not user friendly. Is anyone else finding their refresh button doesn't work?.
By:
hcafc
When: 08 May 10 14:08
Refresh button is like the Labour party - useless.
By:
Delightful
When: 08 May 10 14:12
Hcafc, lets see if you still think Brown is the worst PM after five years of Cameron's leadership.
By:
bix
When: 08 May 10 14:28
Brown was only following the usual Labour policy of spending money it doesn't have to make things look good. Unfortunately, just as with personal finances there's a day of reckoning and now its pay back time which aint going to much fun for any of us.
By:
curious-cat
When: 08 May 10 14:52
wd Del sock it to them :)

borrowing has gone up but on other threads I read that we owe as much as Greece.
That is totally misleading ! Greece owes 150% of their GDP while we owe less than 50% of ours.

To simplify if you earn £30,000 a year the equivakent is borrowing £15,000.
By:
Delightful
When: 08 May 10 15:28
Hi c-c. :) What a lot of people seem to be overlooking is that part of the reason for our current financial situation, world recession aside, is that we have been at war for most of Labour's time in government. War's are expensive and the Labour government, did what they thought was right to try and keep our country safe. I think things could have been done differently as though I personally agreed with the war in Afghanistan, I did not agree with the decision to go into Iraq,  as I thought it made sense to resolve one situation,(as far as possible) before addressing (attacking) another and that we risked spreading ourselves too thinly. Then again, it's easy for me to say this when I don't have others' safety resting on my shoulders.
By:
munch man
When: 08 May 10 15:31
i thought we went into iraq before afghanistan?  this time around anyway.
By:
munch man
When: 08 May 10 15:36
I cannot stand David Cameron.  I think he will prove to be a dreadful Prime Minister which, of course, will be a considerable improvement on Gordon Brown.
By:
supersavo
When: 08 May 10 15:55
Labour & Pompey, both followed Clown-onomics, Pompey now busto and 9 points deducted..

UK - busto, and another few months of the Liars would have seen the IMF in and our credit rating slashed.
By:
curious-cat
When: 08 May 10 16:00
agree with you totally Del regarding the invasions.

Iraq wasn't justified but there is and was a case for attacking the terrorists on Afghanistan. It's not as if we are at war with the whole population.

pumphol

I notice you said 30 years which includes the 17 years of Tory government.
By:
panglima
When: 08 May 10 16:02
No disrespect C-C but I had no complaints about the area in 1997 or before.
By:
curious-cat
When: 08 May 10 16:06
panglima Joined: 26 May 05
Replies: 9196 08 May 10 13:57 
Having seen the place I have worked in for the past 30 years turn into a Ghetto since labour has come to power I cannot believe things could actually get worse with a new Govt.
By:
curious-cat
When: 08 May 10 16:08
sorry pumphol ... now I've c+p'd and reread it I see what you are saying.

So the mass immigration in the area ( which I assume is what you are refferring to started in 1997 ?
By:
curious-cat
When: 08 May 10 16:09
( which I assume is what you are refferring to )
By:
munch man
When: 08 May 10 16:09
panglima just said he'd worked there for 30 years, not that it had been in decline for 30 years.
By:
panglima
When: 08 May 10 16:10
I cannot see what your getting at C-C
I replied to your comment & you cut & paste my earlier post ?
By:
munch man
When: 08 May 10 16:12
this forum is hardly condusive to chatting is it!!!
everything takes such a long time our comments get jumbled up and there is no coherence to the conversation.
By:
panglima
When: 08 May 10 16:12
No worries C-C
Also its not just about immigration, the area has has always had a large ethnic population.
By:
citizen kane
When: 08 May 10 16:14
david tells better fairytales than gordon so thats why he was elected but not as good as tony imo.
By:
curious-cat
When: 08 May 10 16:17
Which government policies have brought about the change pumphol ?
By:
curious-cat
When: 08 May 10 16:26
This forum is a bit like a long distance telephone call more than 50 years ago Grin
By:
panglima
When: 08 May 10 16:29
C-C give me a ring at the shop on monday we can have a chat
By:
curious-cat
When: 08 May 10 16:32
ok CryDevilShockedSilly
By:
curious-cat
When: 08 May 10 16:32
I don't want to get you banned. Laugh
By:
panglima
When: 08 May 10 16:40
Nothing I would say is worth a banning C-C, more to do with local govt as much westminster.
By:
Carlo Gambino
When: 08 May 10 17:22
Defullofshightful Joined: 09 Jul 04
Replies: 156 08 May 10 13:45 
Labour 'got hammered' because people are blaming them for the state of the economy.  We may be an island but we don't exist in isolation. The world recession has caused our economic downturn, not Labour policies.

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What a load of shight.

You mean The Independent has articles that aren't about how the end of the world is nigh.


Wow.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 08 May 10 21:15
Carlo, are you on the Tory payroll?
Every time ANYONE says anything against your beloved bunch of selfish barstads, you steam in as if trying to protect your job.
By:
call me a taxi
When: 19 May 14 12:41
FIGHT!!
By:
Howdi
When: 19 May 14 12:43
tories doing good job imo
By:
call me a taxi
When: 19 May 14 14:03
of what?
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 20 May 14 00:13
curious-cat 08 May 10 14:52 Joined: 03 Jun 03 | Topic/replies: 29,235 | Blogger: curious-cat's blog
wd Del sock it to them :)

borrowing has gone up but on other threads I read that we owe as much as Greece.
That is totally misleading ! Greece owes 150% of their GDP while we owe less than 50% of ours.

To simplify if you earn £30,000 a year the equivakent is borrowing £15,000.


And now, after less than 4 years of Conservative government, we owe over 90%!
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/government-debt-to-gdp

Government spending under the Cons and Lib Dems has skyrocketed. Osborne is borrowing monumental sums of money, with no intention of ever paying it back. UK debt has been rolled over into longer and longer term bonds to fuel this spending orgy (or "austerity" as the Conservatives call it), but at some point one of his successors will have to lead the country into either default or hyperinflation.
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